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A lot of the arguments against XY participation seem to me structurally similar to someone arguing against Swedish-American girls in sports. Those girls are big-boned and strong, it's really an unfair advantage and they're going to break the delicate bones of the other girls. I'm sure there are anecdotes. I'm sure we could have sixty pages of homing in on detailed analysis of Swedish girls, and there would be many anecdotes about brutish Swedish girls annihilating other girls on playing fields and the awful spectre of driving out non-Swedes from elite sports and Olympics. Just saying there is a reason regulars withdraw from this thread. Just not worth it to watch the endless reycling of arguments and parading of anecdotes. Skoal!

How would that be proof? And (as I asked previously) what does make one a woman? Do you have a comprehensive set of criteria? Something that’s more accurate and precise than middle-school biology.

Because he's concerned about the effect on elite women's sport... a valid concern. How much it matters, is what is being discussed. You can't just say MYOB.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. Yours seems to me to be a reasoned position. Not that you were looking for my seal of approval but I wanted you to know what I thought.

This is not how DNA works. DNA does not contain information for reconstructing our bodies. The only way to use DNA to get a body is to let it go through the entire developmental process. And then, the result will depend on both DNA and the developmental environment, which surely will be different from the original. So, the "reconstructed" body will be different from the original. This includes the brain. The "reconstructed" brain will be different from the original. Thus, it will not fit the stored contents of the original brain.

Don't try to follow logic, you're no good at it. You wrote a 7 point post and over half of them bore in no way on the discussion at hand lol

If my sex chromosomes were xx, that would prove I was female. I would say that that's accurate and precise. There is an extremely rare syndrome called XX male syndrome, but barring that very very rare occurrence, I would say that an xx result would be good enough proof. First question, are you female? (see above) Second question, do you have Swyer syndrome? (also extremely rare) Yes to either of those makes you a woman, as far as I can tell. But it's easier to say what doesn't make you a woman, and that is performing gender re-assignment treatment on a genetically normal XY male.

Why do folks not get that logic and illogic are the literal two binding principles of our universe? Our universe was FOUNDED on logic an illogic. Big bang "A". What happened after in the physical we could say "B". What happened in the quantum we could say "the rest of alphabet all at once" Point is, it is all those two principles after the bang. It doesn't matter how you want to use math to explain it. There was an "A" and a "B". Logic and illogic are the only two things in existence that are part of the actual bang, itself. Because the bang is "A". Math didnt come until after Math is not real. It is an art form created to explain something

To a certain extent I accept that some of physics is real. The problem with physics, of course is that it only applies to the physical. What is math? Numbers? What are numbers? Made up bs. If math was REAL, it would be able to explain things. You would say "it takes time". No, dude. Nothing takes time