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The Calvin and Hobbes take on DEI - one of the most succinct

Jester's license in Germany: Zölle = Trade Tariffs Klima ... = climate change(?) Massendeportationen (?) = Mass deportations And no, Annex-Ionen are no ions of annex, but annexations It is said jesters say the truth... And yes, I am very angry and very worried. WW2 is forgotten...

As some of you may already know, the SFN server hardware is currently located in the UK. I will quote from what was announced to the staff: “This year the UK government passed a bill called the Online Safety Act. A brief description of the Act is set out here, but the tl;dr of it is that there are now a set of laws in place in the UK that put a duty of care on operators of social media sites in order to make them accountable for the things that are posted on those sites, which could be harmful to children and other users. The focus in the media has mostly been around the larger sites like Facebook, but actually, the act is extremely broad” The upshot of this is that a modest operation like ours can’t be hosted in the UK on servers run by SFN; the requirements are too onerous and no individuals should be asked to take on the liability should someone find that weren’t compliant in some detail. It’s not enough to think we’re taking the right steps, and we don’t have lawyers on retainer to make sure of things. (Small UK bulletin board sites might be shuttering by the end of this week if their owners are aware of what’s going on) Shifting to a hosting option that avoids this is moving forward. This might end up being completely transparent to our members and visitors, but Murphy always seems to pop up and invoke their law, so there might be disruptions. We will keep you apprised as more information becomes available.

If Zelensky has no, or few, cards to play that is solely because Trump has chosen to betray him and side with the aggressor in this war. So it is pretty rich for Trump to tell Zelensky he has no cards, when it is Trump who has taken them away! I actually think this dust-up in the Oval Orifice was a manufactured publicity stunt by Vance and Trump to try to weaken Zelensky personally, in the hope he will stand aside and allow a more Russia-friendly leader to replace him. That has always been Putin's desire. Putin wants Ukraine to hold an election (preposterously, in the middle of a war with parts of the country under enemy occupation) which he can interfere with and cast doubt on. This can provide a pretext for a further invasion later on if the new leader is insufficiently subservient to Russia. The row was televised and no doubt carefully selected clips will now be circulated to depict Zelensky as ungrateful and unreasonable, when he has been fighting for the life of his country for the last three years, against a massively powerful foe. Trump has furthermore overturned the entire military posture of the USA since WW2 in the European theatre. He has wrecked the deterrent value of NATO, which has been the centrepiece of military strategy ever since WW2. This leaves Europe exposed to military conquest by Putin's revanchist Russia. It is absolutely plain now that Trump and Vance are Russian stooges, wanting to carve the world up into spheres of influence without regard to borders or law. It is also plain that they hate the EU deeply and want it to fail. What better way of achieving that than to neuter NATO and thereby encourage Russia to nibble off bits its eastern frontier, sapping its energy and resources? Meanwhile Vance and Musk try to destabilise it on the political front by encouraging far-right authoritarian movements. The USA is now, suddenly, the adversary of Europe, not its ally. "The West" is now dead. What we have now is the free democracies vs. the rest. Those comprise the EU, the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and a few others. The USA is not a member of this group.

Don’t be a jerk. The issue has been explained to you. The precaution of recalling the product is perfectly sensible as there is a risk, to immunocompromised users of the product, if to no one else.

I use it in the formal sense as defined in differential geometry, ie as a structure that allows you to meaningfully define the inner product of tangent vectors at points on the manifold, which in turn gives a meaningful notion of lengths, angles, areas and volumes. Yes. You need to be careful here - the Christoffel symbols and the connection are not the same thing. A connection allows you to relate tangent spaces at different points on the manifold to one another, ie it provides a notion of parallel transport. This is quite independent of any metric, which is to say you can meaningfully have a manifold that is endowed with a connection, but not a metric. The Christoffel symbols then give you the connection coefficients, ie they tell you what effects your connection has in a particular coordinate basis. They do this by describing what happens to basis vectors as you transport them between neighbouring points, which is something you can calculate from the metric and its derivatives. Without a metric you can still do parallel transport, but you can’t tell what happens to lengths and angles when you do it. Long story short - you can have a connection without a metric. See above. Having a different metric changes the Christoffel symbols (they are not tensors!), but not the connection. Ok, but in the context of physics (SR/GR) the term “metric” is most often used in the differential geometry sense. Physically speaking, equivalence then means a diffeomorphism, so that both metrics describe the same spacetime and thus physical situation. But here’s the thing - as explained above, you’re still on the same manifold endowed with the Levi-Civita connection. By changing the metric like this, you’re doing one of two things: 1. You’re describing a different spacetime, ie a different physical situation, since the two metrics aren’t related by any valid diffeomorphism; or 2. You’re describing the same physical situation, but the coordinates you are using no longer have the same physical meaning. I think what you are trying to do is (2). But the thing is that now measurements on your mathematical manifold (ie in the model) no longer correspond to measurements in the real world, so anything you calculate from this - eg the length of a world line - must first be mapped back into suitable physical coordinates to compare them to real-world measurements. Such a mathematical map may or may not exist, depending on the specifics of the setup. This will also change the form of physical laws, so all the various equations etc will be different for each choice of transformation you make. In either case, this creates a lot of additional work and confusion, for no discernible benefit. It would look for differences in the outcomes of experiments if you vary direction of relative motion, as mentioned previously. For example, if a uranium atom decays if you move it in one direction, but doesn’t decay if you move it at a 90° angle to that direction (everything else remains the same), then you have anisotropic space. This has nothing to do with conventions.

Except again, he is business man, but not a scientist. Bezos founded Blue Origin, but no one calls him a scientist because of that. It is fine to say that one admires his entrepreneurship and his business sense (until recently, perhaps). But I don't think it helps your argument by describing him as something he isn't.

It's good, but it needs more accordion.

Faith is the ONLY thing people have for belief in god(s) and is perhaps the single worst reason to accept something as valid.

Just to elaborate a bit more. When we speak of the invariance (not constancy!) of the speed of light, what this physically means is that the outcome of experiments is always the same in all inertial frames, ie uniform relative motion has no bearing on the outcome of experiments. This has nothing much to do with units or numerical values. Yes, it is always possible to describe the same physical situation in terms of different “geometries”, if you so will. You can eg forego any reference to curvature completely by choosing a different connection on your spacetime - the geometry is now curvature-flat, and instead contains all information about gravity in the form of torsion. But all this is saying is that one can draw different types of maps over the same territory, like having a topographical map vs a road map over the same region. That way you emphasise different information, but the actual experience of physically crossing that terrain is always the same, irrespective of what map you use to navigate. This is not revolutionary or mysterious, and reveals nothing new about the world. It’s “kind of trivial” as the poster in your screenshot correctly said. So I think if you put enough thought into it, it may perhaps be possible to come up with a mathematical description of spacetime in which c is explicitly a function of something. The reason why no one uses such a description is that any measurements of space and time obtained from this description won’t directly correspond to what clocks and rulers physically measure in the real world - you’d have to first map them into real-world measurements, which means additional work and complications without any discernible benefit. Irrespective of what description you use, the outcome of experiments will still be the same in all inertial frames, and this is what we actually observe in the real world.

From the fact that calling it the F-Trump would’ve pleased the wrong audiences. 🥸

There is also a broader issue that you do not want to have uncontrolled bacterial growth in your products. If it is not safeguarded against "safe" bacteria, they may also be vulnerable to harmful ones. And generally speaking, it is better to prevent issue rather than letting it run its course until someone is harmed. That is, unless the penalty is cheaper than safeguarding, which then would be a regulatory issue.

While all newscasting is done by humans and all humans have biases, some sources are particularly good at avoiding spin and focusing instead on providing objective information not on tribal preconception reinforcement and narrative creation (PBS Newshour, as one example), but watching it often feels like eating broccoli so few put forth the effort and prefer the simple “ooh that makes me feel good” stuff. I also advocate for triangulating data across multiple mostly trustworthy sources (such as national defense or global economy focused sources) and forming your own views based on how they overlap and differ with one another, much like you said: On another note… dear leader will now get a new plane from Boeing in the F-47. Trump is an infant with daddy issues.

Yes I did. I also took the trouble to research my post and provide some factual sources and date checking, which is a lot more than you did. Do you really believe that the US government was not entitled to carry out a surgical strike to kill Osama Bin Laden in the wake of the largest terrorist assault in history - one which killed more Americans than Pearl Harbour did ? - And if not why not ? Where is your argument ? Why did you try to pass off a photo from 2011 as if were relevant to an issue in 2025 ? I don’t like deceit and innuendo. Say what you mean, and mean what you say.

Why can't I permanently eliminate the rust spots in my tub? Apparently rust will go through a lot to survive. Just saying, it's very easy to anthropomorphize processes that are not at all conscious. Natural selection leads to DNA code that preserves and replicates itself very well. That doesn't mean DNA is conscious or has wants. This is an assertion you (Gees)(messed up quote box, sorry) keep making, one which is not supported by any evidence, and would be rejected by most biologists (myself included) as a metaphysical conjecture. Awareness has, in research so far, correlated with a complex neural structure in multicellular animals. You would hope the member understands how the site works by now. And read the posting rules, on providing citations. Given their tenacity and posting length, I found their plea of fatigue unconvincing.

Might have closed the gap...but even in that "World Class" group...Trump would be an outliar Best ever!

Another very important point that I think has not been mentioned here is the role of DEI to identify inequity in the population. One example we discussed in a different context is maternal death rates. As a whole, the USA has one of the highest maternal death rates among high-income countries. Something like 24/100,000 compared to, say around 6.5/100,000 in the UK or 3.2/100,000 in Germany. Now, if you look at the data more closely, you can see that the high death rates are more than double in black compared to white women. Pre-pandemic the rate was about 37.3 for black women (per 100,000), 11.8 for Hispanic and 14.9 for White. During the pandemic there was a general increase, but for black women the rate was 69.3 (1.9x increase), 18.2 for Hispanic (1.5x increase) and 19.1 for White (1.3x increase). Thus, by collecting this more detailed data it is apparent that the health structures in the USA are especially weak for black women and is way better at supporting health for white women. The next step is of course to identify weaknesses and ways to address them. By stopping DEI and related initiatives, the government is blinding itself to this information and money injected into the system will likely disproportionately flow into areas serving white women (even if there is a simple equal distribution) where the health benefits will be the least. In other words DEI is a system that allows us to go beyond simple narratives and helps us to figure out disparities and address them. It does not mean that all initiatives are successful or even helpful, but the idea of being "woke" in this context merely means that we are collecting and looking at data rather than substituting them with ideology.

OMG, try checking out who really grooms children and abuses them. It's not the drag queens or trans folks, it's white Christian males almost every time you look. Youth pastors, ministers, policemen, white men working hard to abuse positions of authority while they pretend to be "on your side".

"A popular theory holds that the Mafia began with the Sicilian Vespers and is an abbreviation for "Morte ai Francesi, Italia Anela!"[47] ("Italy desires the death of the French")." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Sicilian_Vespers On Wikipedia it is mistranslated, as it should be “Death to the French, Italian breathe hard.” IOW, such a combat saying, to warm up the soldiers to fight. The origin of all ancient words is very difficult to determine. Unless you create an acronym for yourself. ps. Soldiers returning from the war, do not have a job, so they begin to commit crimes, and as they were already in one organized crime organization ("the army"), so the hierarchy and organization they have ready.. ps2. Did you try Wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia#Etymology "maʿfī (معفي) = exempted. In Islamic law, jizya is the yearly tax imposed on non-Muslims residing in Muslim lands, and people who pay it are "exempted" from prosecution." "maʿāfir (معافر) = the name of an Arab tribe that ruled Palermo.[14][10] The local peasants imitated these Arabs and as a result the tribe's name entered the popular lexicon. The word Mafia was then used to refer to the defenders of Palermo during the Sicilian Vespers against rule of the Capetian House of Anjou on 30 March 1282.[15]"

It’s hard to tell if this is a serious question. Partly because of your “jokes” and partly because you don’t seem to have done a lick of research on the question. Incessant whining, based on ignorance, is hard to take seriously. The Apollo missions cost more than $300 billion in today’s dollars. (2023) https://taxfoundation.org/blog/apollo-moon-space-race-industrial-policy-cost/ (original cost was ~$25 billion) This shows that each mission cost less than $500 million, so even if you shave off the last 6 missions, that’s less than 1/8 of the overall cost (3 billion out of 25) https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028322/total-cost-apollo-missions/ So the new program is a lot cheaper, because certain things don’t have to be re-discovered, even as the hardware is remade with modern technology. But it’s not simple and it’s not easy.

No, you were poking fun at the cost of a trillion dollars, which you either made up or didn't bother to check after you heard it. Let's be clear about your intentions. I don't think you understand any of this. Your arguments are childlike, as if your experiences haven't taught you how to reason correctly. Like many conservatives, you have a caricature in your mind about most of the things you don't understand. It's what's held up progress for as long as humans have been around. Progressive thinking got us to the moon, while the conservatives argued it was a big waste, just like every other major innovation humans have accomplished. When it comes to progress, there's never a conservative contributing to the future. If you truly wanted to eliminate the need for DEI, your methodology is unacceptable. Your prejudices are too prevalent.

Trump would like to carve up the world between three strongmen leaders: himself, Xi and Putin. So he wants to annex Canada and Greenland, take back the Panama Canal for strategic access to both coasts and oceans by sea, get out of entanglements in Europe, which he sees an economic rival and nuisance with all its pathetic concerns over outmoded ideas like democracy and social welfare - and let Xi have Taiwan, once he has got the chips being made in Arizona. If Putin fights with the EU, so much the better. It's Orwell's vision of Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia.

I think you’re right. With their last post it’s clearer to me what their misconception is. The wire’s length is only contracted in the electron’s frame, not the lab frame, so there’s no reason to expect the result they claim.

“Something extraordinary happened on Earth around 10 million years ago, and whatever it was, it left behind a “signature” of radioactive beryllium-10. This finding, which is based on studies of rocks located deep beneath the ocean, could be evidence for a previously-unknown cosmic event or major changes in ocean circulation. With further study, the newly-discovered beryllium anomaly could also become an independent time marker for the geological record.” https://physicsworld.com/a/radioactive-anomaly-appears-in-the-deep-ocean/ A couple of nits, though “Because beryllium-10 has a half-life of 1.4 million years, it is possible to use its abundance to pin down the dates of geological samples that are more than 10 million years old.” 10 million would be ~7 half-lives. Much longer than that would be increasingly tough to pin down since you are decreasing signal/noise. So while you could get results a bit beyond 10 mya, it’s not good for arbitrarily long ages. It also says B-10and Be-10 have the same mass, but they differ slightly which is my their mass spectrometer could distinguish them.

Here's the paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-55662-4 Sadly it is written in the usual, almost unreadable, style of so many papers these days, but the graph of the decay curve they obtained, from their measurement of samples, was interesting: Fig. 2: 10Be concentration vs. age measured in crust VA13/2-237KD. The bump is the anomaly. This graph suggests they can use ¹⁰Be for dating up to 14Myr or so (except obviously where the flat bit is, from ~8-10Myr).

The whole here would be the salient aspects of life. In this case, consciousness. The parts would be quantum fields. No. You're trying to explain a salient aspect of a narrower reality (humans and how they perceive the world) by making it an attribute of the most fundamental things we know (quantum fields). By the same token you could venture to say quantum fields might have recollections, free will, bad temper, and so on. It doesn't seem a very promising line of reasoning. If it happened to be, you would be asked to substanciate it very carefully You lost me here. What does all this story about nursing and rape, and the smell of babies, have to do with quantum fields?.

First, it may not be the mailman's job, but the postmaster general who runs the US postal service does have to be responsible and assist law enforcement in stopping the mailing of illegal materials. This is a normal part of law enforcement in most places - indeed, protecting people from criminal harm is a primary goal of society. So your analogy doesn't really work there, but it helped me get my point across. Secondly, I am not posting "lies." These events are public record. News outlets are governed by libel and slander laws. If they reported wrongly, they could be sued for millions. I'm sorry their reports don't fit your worldview in which Durov is some kind of free speech saint. Third, I cannot cite and post child exploitation/porn messages which have been intercepted by law enforcement - do you understand why evidence to be shown at a court trial is not shared with the public before trial? If you can't understand that, I really can't help you. Your SFN child rapist analogy does not really seem analogous to what Durov was allowing or his uncooperative stance with law enforcement. The owner of this site is a physician and I am confident he would cooperate with the authorities, if SFN were to become a major messaging center for drug cartels, child porn, and organized RW violence against immigrants. Your prior posts here usually seem intelligent and helpful, but I suspect that your understanding of the law is somewhat less than of information technology.

Did I seriously just watch Vance trying to make claims about being more diplomatic, to then watch a master class on how not to do diplomacy? I don't know exactly the process by which Trump and Vance receive their paycheck from Putin, but pretty sure Putin will feel like they earned it 100%. This was like watching a pair of mangy scrawny dogs trying to pick a fight with a wounded bear. I've honestly never felt such sympathy for a politician but Zelensky shows such self restraint here, I'd have smacked the eyeliner right off JDs face. "Propaganda tour" seriously? Those are real buildings destroyed by Russia, real dead bodies, real stories. Where is the propaganda? This war has been so extensively documented and watched for so long and he has the gall to suggest it's just propaganda? This is a new low, are Americans really going to keep standing for this? Is there going to be no public pushback against this administration?

The Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Ltd. (TSMC) is the largest company in Taiwan, and the most valuable semiconductor company in the world. Taiwan’s worldwide exports of integrated circuits amounted to $184 billion in 2022, and accounted for 25% of Taiwan’s GDP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC The status of TSMC as a world leader in Fabless manufacturing, operating as a ‘pure play’ company specialising in the semiconductor foundry industry, has in the past given Taiwan what some critics call a “Silicon Shield” against the threat of invasion or blockade by China. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250225-trump-s-chip-tariff-threats-raise-stakes-for-taiwan As Taiwan produces more than half the world’s chips, and most of the really advanced ones too, there has always been strong bi-partisan support in the US Congress for Taiwan - to protect it as a critical part of the global IC supply chain, and to prevent those resources from being expropriated by China. A week ago Trump announced tariff plans that would include a 25% levy on imported chips which are used in everything from smart phones to missiles. The problem here is that TSMC don’t ship that large a proportion of their output directly to the USA. They are a semiconductor foundry business who supply chips in bulk to other manufacturers in every part of the world - including Apple who actually do much of their product assembly in China. A key factor would be whether levies are applied only to chips being shipped to the United States, or also on chips in finished products. Trump’s tariff plans are predicated on “redressing trade imbalances” and “encouraging companies to move manufacturing back to the United States”. As it happens TSMC has been opening up new semiconductor foundries around the world - including one in Arizona in 2024. But it’s a slow process that takes years to accomplish. The real dilemma that TSMC faces however, is that moving their semiconductor foundries out of Taiwan and into other countries dilutes the value of the “Silicon Shield” that has helped to discourage China from invading Taiwan in recent years. Moving their foundries to the USA could simply encourage Donald Trump to throw Taiwan under the bus by allowing China to invade it. The other part of Trump’s plans for Taiwan seem to involve the usual gangster-style grift of demanding that the Taiwanese “pay” for the “protection” they receive from the United States.

Even if that was true, it would not have played out that way in front of Trump. Even in a normal administration, a VP would never jump in front of a negotiation between the President and the head of another state. Vance is not stupid enough to do that just because of his ego. Considering Trump's ego and capriciousness, it is very unlikely that Vance would have just jumped Zelensky without any coordination or agreement. Trump has repeatedly thrown Vance under the bus to diminish his role in the past.

As a simple stochastic strategy it would just make logical sense: throw money and praise at as many Western elites as possible, and hope some of them rise to positions of political power. For someone with an ego and intellect as vulnerable to praise and manipulation as Trump, coupled with his need for financial backing due to lackluster business performance, it would be a slam dunk. The book, American Kompromat is seeming all the more believable in light of his recent actions. "This is going to be great television. I will say that.” - Donald Trump, after his meeting with Zelensky on February 28th. It was clearly and obviously a preplanned ambush, a stunt for his base. Trump knows his base don't read, they don't understand the history of Ukraine or geopolitics - all they will pay attention to is emotional based reality TV. Hence why Zelensky was provoked by Vance. They just needed a reason to go for the jugular, and apparently Zelensky daring to challenge his majesty and speak up for basic facts was enough. Through all the sound and the fury (signifying nothing), Zelensky was only trying to warn America, nothing more.

The claims that Trump was turned by the KGB in 1987 are becoming more credible. When you look at the kind of person Trump is, it is so easy to imagine kompromat being found. https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5162890-assessing-new-allegations-that-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb/ OK, back to scanning Zillow listings for Vancouver. And likely restoration of the CCCP, starting with the easiest pickings in bordering eastern bloc. Putin has stated this pretty overtly in the past. The rest of your post was an excellent summation of Ukraine's struggle for existence.

So much bullshit and so little awareness of the depth... 🙄

Those, are excellent questions. The answers lie in how you practice diplomacy. If all diplomacy is to you, is speaking and words on a page, then no, diplomacy does not work with sociopaths, simply because you're not willing to speak their language. If action is also part of the diplomats arsenal, which I believe it is, then yes. Diplomacy can work with a sociopath, it does however require clearly dominating them in some fashion or having unique circumstances within which to find common ground. An example is that the West was able to work together with Stalin, because of a shared enemy in Hitler and clear US nuclear dominations in full display at the wars conclusion. Zelenskys approach, of pressuring Russia, invading back, fighting tooth and nail and being man enough to ask the world for help, that is the correct approach. If I had one criticism of how Biden handled Putin, he wasn't aggressive enough. Nato should have done far more than it did. Trump's approach... Well if your goal is to Marry Putin and be his new wife, he's on the right track.

This is often repeated by various pundits and analysts. I think perspectively it misunderstands the situation. Ukraine isn't attempting to gain anything or permanently defeat anyone. Ukraine is merely fighting (defensively) to exist. If Ukraine's goal was to topple the Kremlin and control Russia your assessment would be correct. However the opposite is happening. It is Russia who attempted to topple Kyiv. Russia claimed it would take 3 days. It has now been over 3yrs. It is Russia that can't win. Russia has been trying for 3yrs. Victory for Ukraine is if they continue to exist. That's it. To that end Ukraine is winning. Russia has lost 200k soldiers, 10k tanks, 20k armored vehicles, 400 planes, 300 helicopter, etc. Russia is losing resources and after 3yrs has failed to maintain any significant portions of Ukraine successfully. The war could end today if Russia simply agreed to stop. A diplomatic conclusion would be great. As you admit though it is unknown what Putin will agree to. Putin has had 3yrs to state his demands. Through his actions Putin's demands appear to be all of Ukraine.

Does diplomacy work with sociopaths? If diplomacy is so powerful, why didn’t Putin use it? Diplomacy is give-and-take, but the pattern with Putin, Trump, et al. seems to be “Give me what I want, or else”

I can have the web server on my phone and clear it anytime if I want. I described how to configure it in this post:

Trump has been trying to shake down Ukraine, and this was not the first time. It’s ludicrous to think there was anything Zelenskyy could do that would garner Trump’s support, since Trump is a Russian stooge.

I agree; there's no understanding of consciousness without a foundation for reaching that understanding. Definitions based on faith, philosophies, and conjecture aren't a proper foundation because, imo, they reference notions and ideas that are either untestable or unobservable. Our spectulations about the nature of consciousness in other organisms invariably relate to the manifest nature of that quality in humans. Therefore, our definitions and basis for understanding consciousness should arise from our understanding of how that quality arises in humans. That understanding enables our ability to identify consciousness equivalency in other species.

Don't worry, no need to quit. Sir Isaac Newton did not know why things stuck together he just had to accept it because he could see that it happened. Here are his words from a very long article in the link at the top of the quote. He was right, there is a force, he knew nothing of, which we will discover is the electric force between positive and negative when we move on to the last 1900 to present day period. I offer the philosophy that you can learn enough of the maths, physics and chemistry to be able to recognise things when you see them (not only here but in books or elsewhere) and accept that ther are people who can work out the detail. Remember that no one person knows enough to work out the detail of everything. So we must cooperate like atoms in a molecule. That is the principle I am trying to build up to. Molecules can only works as the cooperative effort of several (perhaps many) atoms acting as one single unit or entity. So if my detail was too much, just accept you can recognise the sticks as bonds in the stick diagrams.

@TheVat You clearly have no idea what we're talking about. Or you pretend you have no idea.. We only have two options: 1) end-to-end encryption (and no way to guess what people are talking about, without hacking their devices) or 2) full surveillance (due to the ability to tell what people were/are talking about). Nobody talks about child porn. This is about whether the social media IT company has (or has not) access to anything you (and anyone else on the planet) are talking about in a private message. If you're having an affair with a woman, Google and Apple will be the first to know about it, long before you tell your friends and your wife is the last to know. If you have end-to-end encryption, they (Google/Apple/X/FB etc) don't know. If you don't have end-to-end encryption at all times (no opt-in/opt-out), they know. If I am creating an application, a communications application, that encrypts everything a person says on their computer, and then the encrypted data is transmitted. The social media operator has no idea what this data is, so no government can ask the social media to disclose it. Social media has no idea what they are talking about. It's encrypted, encoded, compressed, whatever. Asking to reveal a private transmission by social media operator between X and Y makes no sense. This is end-to-end encryption. There is no child exploitation or serious crime.. ..you don't know what people X and Y were talking about.. ..the data are encrypted and court nor social media operator has no access to it.. If you lost your phone and someone found it and stole it, Google knows who stole it by name and surname and where that person lives. the police don't know this. the government doesn't know this. And Google knows. (if you registered/signed in to a Google account on this phone) What trolling? You're the one trolling. Read Wikipedia if you don't understand what we're talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_encryption This is the same (equivalent) situation as the "USA Patriot Act" (which has nothing to do with patriotism). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Patriot_Act Fox News or other extremist TV reporters ask people "do you support The Patriot Act?" They have no idea what the act is about, but the name is constructed in such a way that you can't say you are against it, so they say they are for it.. Are you for or against "the act to combat child pornography"? How can you say no to something like that? In that law you can insert anything that literally makes you a slave.

Just raising this back to the top 🧠🧐