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That was then, this is now Phi. As you know, as should anyone else. Polls change daily! That was also pre- Obamacare(September 26th).. Sorry man, not going to work. If the poll was taken today I promise it would be much different!

Gee, Overdose.. Talk about not knowing your politics! First, this link is just for you. http://www.kentucky.com/2013/07/24/2729582/bevin-officially-launches-run.html Numerous articles about Matt Bevin and the Tea Party endorsement. Here is one that you should like. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/23/1225890/-Mitch-McConnell-primary-challenger-Matt-Bevin-makes-it-official# You should quit trying to appease the lefts media and rhetoric. Think for yourself! Tea Party is very active and strong in this state. And the mid elect cycle is barely started!

Overtone. while I may agree with you on somethings. This is not one of them. While the Tea Party may have its origins with the Republican Party. It is a different beast now. In fact there are two ex-Democrats in our state who are running under the Tea Party ticket. One of them is against both Grimes(D) and Mitch Mc Connell®. His name is Mark Bevin. He is also gaining some serious traction! If the Tea Party changes its name, that is great! The party will represent the majority of the populace. Both establishment republican and democrat antics wont work. Obamacare is the pinnacle that changes everything. The last straw! Now as the last of the U.S world's dominance falls away(Petrol dollar, Saudia Arabia, Oman, Bahrain ect, the E.U). This party will be more than needed. As both parties in this country fail foreign and domestic and can now be replaced by a new party. Those still living on a original party dream is surely out of touch. And of course that is with both Republican and Democrat!

It can be said that in 2010 the Tea Party took the mid-elections. The question one asks is what role will they play in our next mid elect. To the dismay of our progressive and liberal friends at this site. I see a surge coming this next year. In fact I see a very big increase in tea party politicians. While it may not be prevalent within the Washington/Beltway view. Local and state politicians will increase significantly. This will happen even in states which you would not think it would occur. States like California, New York, Illinois. With a country that has many undecided points for our future. It is not a coincidence that we have fear of both the right and the left in politics. As well as the unsettled view among most of the U.S public. As our country gasps for economic stability, growth, and a future. The opportunity is right for the Tea Party to expand greatly. The sad part is both sides of our government are playing right into the tea parties hand. Giving them more opportunity, more hatred of our government by the populace. Regardless if the policies put forth are for our governments survival. As they surely do not represent the people in this country. The plan of top down, bottom up falls into the Tea Parties vision. It gives a opening of which cannot be sealed. I am sure those who are in the tea party are grateful for such a plan brought to you by the progressives of this country. In the coming months as our government tightens down. Even to the point of martial law. It will only help the tea party rather than destroy it. Many on the far left and far right talked of revolution. It is coming! Just not the way either side had hoped for. As for me. I will watch from the sidelines. As I do not really support any of the factions in government. On a side note, I do live in one of the two states which are Tea Party strongholds. I also look out for my family first. So regardless of who the top dog is in office I will do what it takes to help my family. Now some questions! Do you believe the Tea Party can be stopped? What would be the cost? With Obamacare, do you believe it can be fixed by Jan 1st?( I view Obamacare as the pinnacle point for driving the public to the Tea Party.) What would you do if the Tea Party dominates our government after this next mid-elect?

Whats really sad is the president said he needed the debt ceiling increase to pay the bills. Talk about a huge LIE! So what bills are exactly being paid? All I see is more debt, bigger debt, and more borrowing! Then we have our political TOOL's who cannot see past his or her party. Pathetic, truly pathetic!

So now there are two bills, one from the senate another from the house. Will either pass? Maybe our government can concede on both sides ad mix em up?

Forgot, Germany 1933 Reichstag! Wonder if Obama could follow Hindenburgs footsteps. Also, a socialist's wet dream! http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-collects-millions-of-e-mail-address-books-globally/2013/10/14/8e58b5be-34f9-11e3-80c6-7e6dd8d22d8f_print.html Talking about a police state!

De-legitimize the government, make it of no value and what do you have? With most of the populace already resenting or not trusting the government(As well as most of the world). How much nudging do you think it would take? Just one event could topple our government currently. In or out! How many new allies would a new party get? It is almost as if our administration wants this. But of course for a different purpose. Why so many NSA, TSA, Homeland Security? Not saying that it is only this administration. I believe that plan has been in effect for a very long time. If it does happen. I believe it will be quite a different outcome than the one our government has planned. Glad I am somewhat a prepper. My conservative nature! Dont worry have quite a bit of liberal too Ohh!, and to let you know, democrats, liberals, republicans, conservatives, are just tools. Something to think about. Why for the past decade or so education teaches femininity in males? Making them more docile. No offense intended to those who are young. While under the guise of a liberal agenda? Have a populace that is both lethargic and docile. Weak, and non-resistant? What would be the purpose? Have a police force that is brutal and feels superior to every other civilian? They feel they have the right to carry a gun, but a civilian does not? Just saying... Why would the government want a weak, unarmed, docile population? So you know, I am not looking at this in a short time frame. As many of the social and psychological programming has taken in some cases decades. From GI-Joe and Barbie to Captain Planet and how to save the world while playing with a twirly stick. Coincidence? All under the guise of liberalism? Heh, slick that is! That above just one part of a many faceted plan set in motion! All coming together

Reading the commentary here reminds me of early 1930ies Germany. Not saying anyone is a Nazi. But as far as the politics and stances, they are similar. Pre-Nazi party.

First Inow, I do not like tools. Especially ones who are programmed! Shows exactly how really high someones I.Q really is! Lets first look up deficit. Here is the definition just for you. Deficit: The amount by which a sum of money falls short of the required or expected amount; a shortage. The difference between the shortfall and the actual amount is turned to debt. As our government does one of two things to counter it. 1. Has the fed create more money to pay the debt with interest! Or 2. sells bonds to another party with interest. Both incur more debt. Which is cyclic and brings about a bigger deficit. Then is repeated. If you cannot understand this concept, then perhaps you should study Keynesian economics. But to help you out, make sure you read this link:http://www.usdebtclock.org/ That is actual debt! As to your opinion, it is just that, believe it or not! In either case you get the real repercussion's very soon. Why I dont follow blind men! They tend to have serious shortcomings!

I enjoyed your post TAR. You are right! The 99% of us should stick together. My hope is to restart our government and get rid of the fed. What is needed is to get rid of those who control the fed. The system is designed to not make that happen. Morality only exists if it helps keep the feds system in motion. In our current day, just here in the U.S. What do you think the hot issues are really about? Global Warming? Obama care? Everything you think is a issue is most likely used to keep the system going. While at the same time depriving us of humanity. Making us more and more enslaved. What do you really think the Patriot Act is about? Homeland Security? TSA, NSA? To protect us from terrorism? It is to insure that we remain slaves. Heard talks about martial law lately? I am sure you have. What do you think that is really about? I am not saying these things to make you afraid. I am saying these things so you can go past the fear and replace it with what is truly needed. We have 2 years at tops! Most likely sooner than later! Each of our presidents including this one are just puppets to the system.

I think the part you may not be getting is it is unavoidable. Leaving it in the bank you lose all of it. Taking it out for hard currency you retain a little value. Barter ect.. Just think! We had three presidents assassinated over interest free currency. William McKinley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley , James Garfield http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Garfield and John . F. Kennedy http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/JFKvFedR.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy . If you notice with John Kennedy, Wiki did not mention the monetary affair with him . Also attempts on Andrew Jackson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson . The reality that I think many do not understand. Is as long as the U.S dollar(Petro-dollar) exists in its current form. You as well as the government will not escape debt or a deficit. Even if our deficit were to be paid off to the penny(which it cant) we would still owe just from interest alone! At this point, there will never be a zero sum nor a surplus. Our deficit is now exponentially intertwined with our government. As is most of the worlds economy. Austerity was meant to slow it down. But now not even that will work. Bankruptcy, Recession, and Depression are ingrained in our monetary system. This is to insure the system can keep going and the very few select bankers that are part of the fed will continue to make profit. This of course all at the cost of us. You life, your imagined wealth, your imagined prosperity. If you are not the 1% at the top. You are in the same boat as the rest of us. That 1%(Democrats used that slogan 99%-1%) does not care about you or your family or what you do. As long as it does not interfere with the system. The trick for them to us. Is to get us to believe that Keynesian economics works. It works for them. For the rest of us, we are just slaves to that system. Just a note! Every policy bill or law that exists is to keep that system going. It does not matter what type of government system is in place. Communism, Socialism, Dictatorship, Monarchy, Democracy, Republic, Commonwealth. As long as the system flows everything else is just a tool! Like I said in a earlier post. It is not about party, its much bigger than that. You have limited time to prepare. I would use it wisely.

Well, I do have a family, I live in a rural area. and each one of us including my grandchildren are proficient with a firearm. I will take my chances. Our neighbors are doing the same if a default goes through. There is a reason I moved from the bay area(Silicon Valley) to the middle of this country in a rural area. Planning is important. You see to plan with law is subject to disaster. Planning with the precept of chaos(lawlessness) is the only way. Also am glad I can hunt and fish. As well as grow a garden! I will pray for those in non rural areas. That actually think they have a grasp on his or her life. I wish them the best! But when it comes to the survival of family or me. They come first! I feel bad for those who are in big cities. The survival rate for them is low considering the circumstances if a default occurs. I miss being able to surf, going to debates, the mountains, but I would not trade this place or environment for anything. Will defend this home with my life Can you say the same?

If the 16th gets here with no plan in place. I will be withdrawing almost every dollar that is in both my savings and checking account. As well as selling off what stock I do have. Call me a prepper or whatever. I dont care. Will go into survival mode if the U.S defaults. Will avoid banking and banks as necessary. For those wanting to know the truth. Our government is insolvent concerning our debt and deficit. Austerity only trickles it along. Its about over and if I were you. I would prepare! Banks have threatened to shutdown if the U.S goes into default. So only hard currency will be available. This is not just a U.S only event. Now if they do come up with a plan and avoid a default. All the above will be on hold. Discussions of blame, arguments of who to hold responsible, what to do, are at a point of no return. As far as the government and our administrations view. With socialist policy. Money only lasts til the other peoples money runs out. The biggest fault with socialism. We are at that point! Greece, Canada are the next two to fall then us. All coming sooner if the default happens. Cannot actually believe some still propagate a solution. When all you are doing is placing a bandaid on a huge gash that is bleeding one out! It ends, no more free bus ride. Time to start over.

Well John he did squander it away with a war followed by another, in part due to 9/11(Regardless if it was our govs doing or actually legit). As well as making sure the petrodollar stayed the dominant currency worldwide. Iraq in 2000 wanted to use the euro instead of the dollar. Shortly after the U.S invaded Iraq under the guise of WMD's. Cant let the Fed have a weakened currency. As well as the IMF change its primary currency. Now we have a social security benefit that is unfunded. As to the debt. I added this link http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/9/obamas-national-debt-rate-on-track-to-double/ to the above post. Hope you read it! Also to note. There is a war, and the parties democrat and republican are just tools to a much bigger outcome. By the way, the divisive nature that is among the U.S has not been as bad as it is now since the civil war. That should give you something to seriously think about! The blame game is just that. There is only two outcomes. We get one or the other. And each are just as bad as the other. No escaping and no blame. We have at most 2 years. Be sure to thank Woodrow Wilson! As if it was not for him. None of this would even be talked about!

Wish you guys would quit playing the game. Bush only had a surplus because Clinton stripped Social Security while he was in office. Man you ideologues are atrocious. I am glad I am not part of this circle jerk party. And as usual, if the gov hits default. The poor and elderly will suffer. Love watching a follower! In the democrat party there are only two types of democrats. Those who are arrogant, claim they are super intelligent(At least they think they are). Think they know whats best for everyone. Then you have the low information poor. Who follow them to no ends. The controllers(1-3%of democrats) then the 97% who are the low information poor(slaves). Do not like being called out for what you are? Then quit trying to play rhetorical bullshit. But alas, you cant! That self-serviant narcissistic view wont let you! Also, today's headlines! Obama's national debt rate to double http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/9/obamas-national-debt-rate-on-track-to-double/ What has taken four presidents to do over multiple terms since the 80ies. Obama is doing just in his presidency! And we wonder why Obama's approval rating is just 1 point away from Bush's all time low!

heh, from Moodys! Imagine that! A excerpt! Moody’s says in the memo dated Oct. 7. ” We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact,” the memo says. “The debt limit restricts government expenditures to the amount of its incoming revenues; it does not prohibit the government from servicing its debt. There is no direct connection between the debt limit (actually the exhaustion of the Treasury’s extraordinary measures to raise funds) and a default. You can find the full story here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/live-updates-the-shutdown-4/?hpid=z2#c1e3ada3-dc00-41d8-92cb-327c5c814d82 Guess the scare tactics can stop now!

LOL, Cannot believe you actually think our debt is party related. Cracks me up! You need to do a little research. Here are some things to look up. Petrodollar, BRICs, then you may get a better response than the bullshit party line argument. Now as to Obamacare. A fresh story found on facebook just for those AHCA supporters. Enjoy! My name is Ashley Dionne and I’m a 26-year-old recent graduate from Michigan. The phony Obamacare signup poster boy made me want to send a message about how Obamacare is really affecting people. I graduated from The University of Michigan in 2009. In my state, this used to mean something, but even with a bachelor’s I was told I was too educated and wouldn’t stay. I watched as kids with GEDs and high school diploma’s took the low-paying jobs for which I applied. I went back to school and got a second degree and finally found work at a gym. I work nights and only get 32 hours a week for eight dollars an hour. I’m unable to find a second job at this time. I have asthma, ulcers, and mild cerebral palsy. Obamacare takes my monthly rate from $75 a month for full coverage on my “Young Adult Plan,” to $319 a month. After $6,000 in deductibles, of course. Liberals claimed this law would help the poor. I am the poor, the working poor, and I can’t afford to support myself, let alone older generations and people not willing to work at all. This law has raped my future. It will keep me and kids my age from having a future at all. This is the real face of Obamacare and it isn’t pretty. Ref:https://www.facebook.com/DennisPrager/posts/10151880807716998 Pretty sad! Have youngsters at my work who are in the same boat. My story, I am diabetic, had insurance til this month. Everything was going fine, til our insurance company (United Health) told us we cannot re-up our insurance til Jan 1st due to Obama Care. I am without insurance til January. My premiums are expected to go up 200%. So from 67 dollars bi-weekly to 140 dollars bi-weekly. As to why Obama wont negotiate with Republicans. He is waiting for so many people to sign up on Obama Care that it would be impossible to defund or get rid of it. The whole reason why Obama wont negotiate! Obama makes Carter look like a saint! Dont worry! Democrats will pay at the mid elect! If we do not go broke first!

Obama just hit a new low in my book concerning the shutdown. Total retardation with this administration. Look for yourself, Amber Alert website:http://www.amberalert.gov Then Michelles "Lets Move" website: http://www.letsmove.gov/ Truly retarded administration there. When I go to work today, going to make sure to point that out to my co-workers. They are going to love it! As this shutdown continues. Makes me not want to vote a democrat into office next year. With the sheer stupidity of this administration!

And the Antarctic? Why is it that you wont mention the Antarctic? Does it have a less significant role than the arctic? Let that sink in! While you try to support a position that is continually being proven false.. over and over... again!

I am very happy to point that out. Why? Because you stated Summer. Which lasts til Sept 21st. August which is on average the hottest month of the year in the Northern Hemisphere is a part of Summer. August 27th the date of that article is still summer. Please do not cherry pick. Just like you tried to cherry pick what was actually said in the original article. While the arctic is still recovering from previous years of ice loss the Antarctic is breaking all time records. To help you understand, since you had to use sailing as a way to attempt a point(worthless). Here is the fullest and latest data on ice loss and ice extent. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ Next time I would learn to do some data mining before actually trying to prove a point! Especially if you do not know what you really are talking about!

http://www.sail-world.com/USA/North-West-Passage-blocked-with-ice%E2%80%94yachts-caught/113788 misrepresentation! Hmmm.. Also if you follow the commentary of the original article posted. There is further explanation.

Because the IPCC is grossly misrepresenting, if not, straight out lying to meet its agenda. Which is not scientific nor "Objective". You can read the real deal here at FACTS VS FICTION: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/03/the-2013-ipcc-ar5-report-facts-vs-fictions/ Scientists who actually support the IPCC. Should have both tenure and whatever agenda given grants stripped away. As they are truly not scientists, but rather disguised agenda driven politicos! Reference: http://www.nipccreport.org/archive/models.html

Considering the only people hurting once again will be the low information citizen. Definitely not the government. A update:http://washingtonexaminer.com/wheres-sense-of-crisis-in-a-17-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862 Only the people who are using government assistance seems to be affected. WIC, Foodstamps, Mortage services ect. Only state services are running . So the little guy(poor, single mothers, low income families) gets screwed and take the brunt of the shutdown! Just wonderful!

To a tea party supporter I would imagine what you said are perks. Pray we dont end up with a TP president next eleection