Johnny Electriglide

I see "Tim the Troll" is here. It has been backed at skeptical science.com that the trajectory humanity and the biosphere is on will result in a worse than Permian extinction and worse than the 30 million year recovery and after effects of PETM. The temperature and CO2 rise is 10 to 40 times that of PETM 55 mya. There is also a substantial amount more sequestered CH4. The main problem is human inertia and ignorance to what is happening and the needed 90+% emissions reduction by 2024. There is the possibility of an early population crash fostered by economic meltdown, if not brought on by stupid financial practices, one of the three due geologic disasters could hit (Cascadia, La Palma, or Katla). The only solution to save the biosphere from possible Venus Effect is by forcing a super volcanic eruption, after the tipping point of Arctic Tundra methane self release is totally passed in the late 2020s. When the point of hitting the beginning of the tipping point was reached in 2009, the Arctic Methane Emergency Group was formed. It is on facebook and youtube. What triggered this methane turnover effect in the past was Arctic warming of 5*C, and last April in Siberia we had 2 to 9*C higher than the 1989 record temperatures. 16 methane blowholes formed and spiked the CH4 measurements briefly. Most only know of 3. The rate of change and the added ocean acidification are beyond anything seen on Earth in geologic time after the cyanobacteria explosion with oxygen atmosphere formed and stabilized. That was the last time a single species changed the biosphere. Now, it is the human species, far into overshoot and pollution at thousands of times the absorption rate. Nothing is changing for the better, unfortunately. The denialists have effectively used human selfishness and ignorance to thwart efforts to go green on a planetary scale in time to stop the worst (unless you think this 90+% reduction will really come by Jan2024). Extinction of us, and millions of other species, our friends. If for some reason, CAGW does not proceed to 80%+ CH4 release, perhaps the extremophobes at oceanic thermal vents could seed new life, so that in around 50 million years it could be similar to what it was like at the beginning of this interglacial epoch, but no 'intelligent' life.

Scroll through the many links, graphs, diagrams, pictures, and cartoons!!! Good luck! https://www.skepticalscience.com/

This place has many answers if you scroll around https://www.skepticalscience.com/ It does not have everything, like the Arctic Methane Emergency. The IPCC is politically motivated to be overly conservative with their projections, and they do not figure in geometric methane release, or over-population's realities.

The last video blames HAARP for some of the effects, but it is all HGHGs from overpopulation over time. Geometric temperature gain in most of our lives, along with the effects of the only cure---blowing a super volcano by a nuclear pattern blast at the perimeter and bottom edge of magma chambers. I am really glad that old denialist Tim is gone. Most people have no clue that we only have 8 years to lower emissions 90% or the tipping point of the Arctic tundra methane self release will be passed, and the only solution to save ourselves and the biosphere is to use technology to force a long volcanic winter with the inevitable human die off. Overpopulation was driven by fossil fuels and has led to this methane emergency. http://www.ameg.me/index.php/2-ameg/53-urgent-message-to-governments-from-the-arctic-methane-emergency-group-ameg

There are many who are looking after the biosphere's future well being. The sad fact of the matter is that it is too few. Most likely, the needed emissions reductions will not happen in time. Then there are only two choices; let the biosphere go to like Venus, or blow Yellowstone, and possibly Toba, too. Population bottleneck with less than a total of 50% extinction, or extinction of all life on Earth forever. Those that have a couple decades or more of supplies can make it until the effects of the long volcanic winter are over, in underground fortresses. The escape to a new planet in a multi-generational spaceship has less of a chance of success. http://www.ameg.me/index.php/2-ameg/53-urgent-message-to-governments-from-the-arctic-methane-emergency-group-ameg Urgent Message to Governments from the Arctic Methane Emergency Group, AMEG AMEG’s Declaration "Governments must get a grip on a situation which IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has ignored. A strategy of mitigation and adaptation is doomed to fail. It will be impossible to adapt to the worst consequences of global warming, as IPCC suggests. The Arctic must be cooled, ASAP, to prevent the sea ice disappearing with disastrous global consequences. Rapid warming in the Arctic, as sea ice retreats, has already disrupted the jet stream. The resulting escalation in weather extremes is causing a food crisis which must be addressed before the existing conflicts in Asia and Africa spread more widely. Dangerous global warming and ocean acidification must be prevented by reducing the level of CO2 in the atmosphere, especially by improved agricultural practice, thereby addressing the food crisis at the same time. This is an unprecedented opportunity for international collaboration for common purpose." http://www.ameg.me/index.php/2-ameg/53-urgent-message-to-governments-from-the-arctic-methane-emergency-group-ameg

Methane Apocalypse, Everything Else Is A Distraction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FnfygE5Lhw Here is the latest June, 2014 interview with Dr.Natalia Shakhova, on the current state of the methane from the Arctic, with links to the other two parts and other related video presentations. The temperature graph does not show the even higher near vertical line on the right. No matter what other mechanisms are in play, human greenhouse gas emissions are the by far largest forcing to climate and heat to CH4 Turnover and an ELE worse than the Permian. Unless at least Yellowstone is forced to erupt. Then we will really see geologic climate forcing. A "Toba type" bottleneck, and return to the ice age cycle. Some survivors is better than none.

Here is the latest June, 2014 interview with Dr.Natalia Shakhova, on the current state of the methane from the Arctic, with links to the other two parts and other related video presentations.

It is amazing denialists are here. The Arctic Atmospheric 'Methane Global Warming Veil'. Its Origin in the Arctic Subsea and Mantle and the Timing of the Global Terminal Extinction Events by 2040 to 2050 Arctic News By Malcolm P.R. Light, Harold Hensel and Sam Carana June 8th, 2014 (Excerpts) "If only a few percent of the subsea methane hydrate reserves in the Arctic Ocean (some 1000 billion tons of Carbon) is dissociated and the methane is released into the atmosphere, it will cause total deglaciation and a major extinction event (Light and Solana 2002). The energy necessary to produce these Arctic methane release rates is relatively small; it requires only about one thousandth of the heat energy input from the Gulf Stream to dissociate the methane hydrates (Figure 30). Furthermore, the energy necessary to produce these Arctic methane release rates represents less than one millionth of the global warming heat energy being added to the oceans, ice, land and atmosphere by human fossil fuel burning (Figure 30). Unfortunately for us, global warming has heated up the oceanic currents fed by the Gulf Stream flowing into the Arctic, causing massive destabilization of the subsea methane hydrates and fault seals and releasing increasing volumes of methane directly into the atmosphere. The total human induced global warming is equivalent to 4 Hiroshima atomic bombs detonating every second (Nuccitelli et al. 2012). Humanity has signed its death warrant and our final extinction will be carried out by Mother Earth within the next 30 to 40 years unless we immediately take extremely drastic action to entirely curb our carbon dioxide pollution, eliminate large quantities of methane from the subsea Arctic Ocean, seawater and atmosphere (down to ca 673 - 700 ppm) and revert completely to renewable energy..... The volume transport of the Gulf Stream has increased by three times since the 1940s due to the rising atmospheric pressure difference set up between the polluted, greenhouse gas rich air above North America and the marine Atlantic air. The increasingly heated Gulf Stream, with its associated high winds and energy-rich weather systems, flows NE to Europe where it recently pummelled Great Britain and Europe with catastrophic storms. Other branches of the Gulf Stream then enter the Arctic and heat up the Arctic methane hydrate seals on subsea and deep high-pressure mantle methane reservoirs below the Eurasian Basin-Laptev Sea transition. This is releasing increasing amounts of methane into the atmosphere producing anomalous temperatures, greater than 20°C above average. Over very short time periods of a few days to a few months the atmospheric methane has a global warming potential from 1000 to 100 times that of carbon dioxide (Light 2012 - 2014; Carana 2012 - 2014). The whole northern hemisphere is now covered by a thickening atmospheric methane veil that is spreading southwards at about 1 km a day and it already totally envelopes the United States. A giant hole in the equatorial ozone layer has also been discovered in the west Pacific, which acts like an elevator transferring methane from lower altitudes to the stratosphere, where it already forms a dense equatorial global warming stratospheric band that is spreading into the Polar regions. The spreading atmospheric methane global warming veil is raising the temperature of the lower atmosphere many times faster than carbon dioxide does, causing the extreme summer temperatures in Australia and the United States. The front of the expanding 1850 ppb Arctic Atmospheric Mantle Methane Global Warming Veil has passed the northern border of the Gulf Coast and is moving south at about 1 km a day and it should totally envelope the Earth by 2048 (Light 2014). Much of this methane is coming from the subsea extreme methane emission zone (Enrico Anomaly) at the transition from the Eurasian Basin to the Laptev Sea which is sourced at an estimated depth of some 112 km in the upper asthenosphere in the Earths mantle (Light 2014). The United States and Canada must cut their global emissions of carbon dioxide by 80% to 90% in the next 10 to 15 years, otherwise they will be become an instrument of mass destruction of the Earth and its entire human population. Recovery of the United States economy from the financial crisis has been very stupidly based by the present administration on an extremely hazardous "all of the above" energy policy that has allowed continent wide gas fracking, coal and oil sand mining and the return of widespread oil drilling to the Gulf Coast. This large amount of fossil fuel has to be transported and sold which has caused extensive spills, explosions and confrontations with United States citizens over fracking and the Keystone XL pipeline. The United States and Canada must now cease all their fossil fuel extraction and go entirely onto renewable energy in the next 10 to 15 years otherwise they will be guilty of planetary ecocide - genocide by the 2050s" There are numerous charts and graphs as you scroll down, in the link on top. Arctic Methane Emergency Group - AMEG - Urgent Message to Governments from the Arctic Methane Emergency Group, AMEG Arctic Sea Ice - Methane Release - Planetary Emergency Urgent Message to Governments from the Arctic Methane Emergency Group, AMEG AMEG’s Declaration (Excerpt) Governments must get a grip on a situation which IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has ignored. A strategy of mitigation and adaptation is doomed to fail. It will be impossible to adapt to the worst consequences of global warming, as IPCC suggests. The Arctic must be cooled, ASAP, to prevent the sea ice disappearing with disastrous global consequences. Rapid warming in the Arctic, as sea ice retreats, has already disrupted the jet stream. The resulting escalation in weather extremes is causing a food crisis which must be addressed before the existing conflicts in Asia and Africa spread more widely." "Current situation and gross omissions from IPCC The IPCC WG1, WG2 and WG3 assessment reports (AR5) make no mention of the downward trend in sea ice volume, and rely on models which fail to properly capture the processes of warming and melting. Furthermore they fail to mention the strong evidence that Arctic warming is already a driver of climate change in the Northern Hemisphere, compounding the effects of global warming. Arctic warming and sea ice retreat is already having a serious impact on climate change across the Northern Hemisphere, which is affecting food production, food prices and food security. The latest WG2 report claims that the Arctic sea ice will be subject to ‘very high risks with an additional warming of 2 degrees C’. In fact, the September sea ice volume is already down 75% with a trend to zero by September 2016, suggests that the Arctic is heading for complete meltdown, which would be a planetary catastrophe. The loss of Arctic ecosystems and the climate implications of ice disappearance are in fact acute risks NOW as both ice and ice-dependent species are set to disappear within a matter of years. These are catastrophic omissions. AR5 is supposed to provide the best analysis of the state of the planet and its future climate, on which governments can base policy for protection of citizens. These omissions are leading governments into a false sense of security about the future of our planet. The only clear policy deduction from AR5 concerns the reduction of CO2 emissions by keeping within a carbon budget. Reductions alone have no chance of preventing catastrophes arising from Arctic meltdown. Intervention to cool the Arctic is an absolute requirement to prevent such catastrophes. There is no realistic alternative. The concept of a carbon budget, espoused in AR5, hides the short-term consequences of various powerful feedback processes which get zero or scant attention in AR5. In particular, snow and sea ice albedo feedback seems to be totally ignored in the budget. And the mounting concentration of methane in the atmosphere is ignored. The real truth is that the carbon budget has already been spent. WG3’s limit of 450 ppm for CO2 equivalent has already been passed, even without taking into account albedo loss. Governments must also address ocean acidification, whose threat has also been ignored in AR5. There is no alternative but to start a major campaign for CO2 removal (CDR). The latest WG3 assessment report suggests CDR as a possibility for offsetting emissions, but only in so far as for keeping within their carbon budgets of 450ppm CO2e and above, which would have catastrophic consequences for humanity, even without all the other overlooked positive feedbacks described above. CDR must be adopted, being the only possibility in order to stop the existing contribution to global warming of CO2 and ocean acidification. Meanwhile there is the threat of Arctic methane emissions to burst above the gigaton level, totally ignored in AR5. And the AR5 projections of sea level rise are hopelessly optimistic if the sea ice disappears as rapidly as the trend indicates." "This is an unprecedented opportunity for international collaboration for common purpose. 1. The Arctic is rapidly heading for meltdown. As snow and sea ice retreat, exposing land and sea with lower albedo (i.e. less reflectiveness), more solar energy is absorbed, thus leading to further melting and retreat in a vicious cycle. This cycle has been self-sustaining for many years – we are well past the tipping point. There is no sign of any natural process to break the cycle. 2. As the extent of snow and sea ice has been plummeting, even while global warming has stalled, Arctic albedo loss has rapidly overtaken CO2 as the main driver of climate change in the Northern Hemisphere, as witness the escalation of weather extremes. The Arctic has warmed well above global average, resulting in a reduction of the temperature gradient between tropics and pole, this in turn reducing the strength of the polar jet stream, with increased meandering and a tendency to get stuck in blocking patterns. This explains the recent escalation of weather extremes in the form of long periods of weather of one kind such as the months of high rain the UK has experienced this past winter 2013-14, and the protracted extreme cold in the US over the same period, crop failures and an upward trend in the world food price index. 3. While land and subsea permafrost thaws ever faster, methane could become the dominant climate forcing agent. Emissions threaten to break through the gigaton-per-year level within twenty years. AMEG has been continuing its research into the situation. A recent paper, co-authored by Peter Wadhams, a founder member of AMEG, has used the Stern Review economic model to show that the economic cost of a 50 megaton release of methane from the Arctic Ocean seabed will cost $60 trillion. Research in the East Siberian Arctic Shelf has suggested that such a vast release of methane was possible, and continued exponential increase of methane could, within 20 years, reach a level where methane dominated over CO2 in global warming. Some researchers warn of a 50 gigaton burst being possible “at any time”. 4. Therefore, urgent and strenuous efforts are needed ASAP to cool the Arctic, halt snow and sea ice decline, and suppress methane. 5. Techniques exist for cooling on the necessary scale. Both the brightening of low-level clouds and the production of a reflective haze in the stratosphere are techniques based on natural phenomena which have been studied extensively. Various methane suppression techniques have been proposed. However, all these techniques require technology development and testing before deployment. 6. Existing cooling effects must be maintained, especially the cooling effect of SO2. SO2 from burning fossil fuels has negated between 2/3 and 3/4 CO2 global warming over the past 20-30 years; its global cooling effect must be allowed to continue until an alternative means of cooling can be deployed. This should be achieved while improving air quality in centres of population. 7. Ocean acidification threatens to devastate the marine food chain. Atmospheric CO2 must be reduced to a safe level within twenty years or less. 8. Therefore, CO2 must be removed from the atmosphere faster than it is put in. The rate of removal should be increased until it is around double the rate of emissions and the CO2 level has fallen sufficiently to avoid dangerous ocean acidification. Funds could be raised by having a levy on carbon taken out of the ground, specifically to fund the return of carbon to the ground. 9. CO2 can be removed from the atmosphere utilising the photosynthesis of plants and certain algae to produce biomass. The carbon of this biomass must then be kept from returning to the atmosphere, e.g. by pyrolytic conversion to biochar. This process of capture and sequestration has to be massively scaled in order for the CO2 removal rate to exceed CO2 emission rate. 10. The profound economic, social, security and political impacts of the abrupt climate change, being witnessed as an escalation of climate extremes and crop failures, must be addressed. The underlying price of food as indicated by the food price index is already above the crisis level, leading to the food riots we have observed in several countries where income is insufficient to buy daily needs. These are unprecedented opportunities for international collaboration in the interests of every country, every section of the community, rich and poor alike. The necessary actions of cooling the Arctic, suppressing methane and CO2 removal present enormous engineering and logistical challenges. The objectives should be achievable without any revolution or radical change in the way we live. In fact the solutions to the challenges are not only affordable but can be of great economic benefit in the long run. There is no excuse for procrastination. We must see action now" actually, we should have seen action 20 years ago!

NOVA Magnetic Pole Flip 530,000 Years Overdue & Happening Strength is down 15% in the past 10 years. I wonder why in past reversals, that a CME never sterilized the surface, or a cosmic ray burst. From what I read, the reversals usually took 50 to 250 years to complete, with up to a 90% weakening of the magnetosphere. It shows that Earth has been lucky, with that at least, but not with humans destroying the biosphere in a GTEE unless they stop polluting now and fall 50% in numbers, or Katla has a big one, or Yellowstone blows.

I had one child at 39 years old, when there was still hope, in 1988. I went totally solar in 1998. Now we are headed toward a Global Terminal Extinction Event or series of events. Even worse than a population crash. Back in the sixties, that aspect was not really well known yet, that we would kill our biosphere by HGHGs. It never would have happened if population was controlled world wide by the 1970s. Overpopulation to overpollution far beyond absorption rates and depletion of resources at thousands of times replenishment rates, led to buildup of HGHGs to CAGW and methane turnover, which leads to a worse than Permian Extinction and possible runaway to the "Venus Effect". Unless the population crashes from a natural or man-induced "natural" geologic catastrophic event, with enough emissions reductions in time, or volcanic winter to crash and cool, with the biosphere saved and 80% of species left. We really need something like Toba to stop the process.

Dr. Natalia Shakhova will be interviewed again this month on a more recent status report on Siberian Artic Tundra methane releases which have Siberia 2-9*C over the 1989 record in April of this year. Even 2*C is too high(world average temperature)...........while +1.5C was not. Seems like 1.8*C is the magic number of positive feedback loop completion, IMEO. There is a good chance even the 90% HGHG reduction by 2023, may be too late already.(50-50?) Some said the magic number was +5*C for the Arctic to go into the methane turnover mode. So, most of Siberia is above that mark right now. The meaning is clear, and ends in a Permian type extinction, some time within 3-500 years, after the human population crash before mid century. Too bad, SOME of us could have lived here sustainably for eons.

In my opinion (not "retaliatory") overpopulation effects started hitting the USA really bad by 1980. Since 1970, with immigration and their kids, we have gone up another 100+ million, un-needed people who escaped the self made effects of overpopulation in their own country. The 1965 change from the 1924 Act was not thought out and not needed or wanted. The major reform needed is just enforcement of laws which if the fines were paid, would eliminate the National Debt and more. Overpopulation is the root cause of over-pollution and its CAGW. Itself is caused by the over-breeding tendency of mammals, general stupidity and lack of foresight of our species in general, with greed and selfishness, The lack of ecological education has been atrocious.

Methane Apocalypse, Everything Else Is A Distraction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FnfygE5Lhw Arctic Death Spiral and the Methane Time Bomb Tim the plumber has always been a denialist, and has contributed to insufficient emissions reduction, which leads to the above scenario. AETM ELE.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/ Similar argumants have been cropping up a long time and been debunked.

Human population passed the point at which forced one child families would prevent the population crash not later than mid century, was the end of the last century, unfortunately. It is now at a TBR of near zero to stop it, which is logistically impossible, and psychologically impossible. It is a cascading event area to area, region to region, continent to continent. Nigeria, India, then China leading, perhaps as early as 2030. The graph refered to above is not accurate, like so many others, in that it does not take in increasing death rates along with decreasing birth rates from increasing abject poverty. I used actual mammal population figures and found humans are on the same stimulated mammal population crash curve in 1967. This gave 6 billion 2000AD and mid-century rapid die off. I redid it in 1995 using completely different methodology, data from numerous sources and in multiple disciplines, to very near the same curve, with a slight shift forward in time. The sustainabilty figure for no depletion of soil and water, or other resources, and no pollution of any kind over the natural or forced absorption rates, varies with standard of living. In the end, standard of living boils down to average calories per person per day. Poor is 1500 and below, "Euro" is 2500, and "American" is 3500. Of course there are many other factors fudging it around, like obesity rates, the high fructose corn syrup conspiracy, radioactivity, mercury, oil and coal depletion, or and plastics. Footprints are magnified by TBR, and the sad reality is Earth is at least 7 times max population at "Euro" levels. Sustainable level itself is going down and accelerating, with depletion and pollution effects on the biosphere. There are possible geologic solutions, that could not only prevent the crash, but maybe even prevent the eventual AETM ELE. Katla, Cascadia, LaPalma--all due, if large enough, could trigger mass die off before the tundra positive feedback loop is completely formed. If people go to one child families, it could delay the crash to a point of almost no resources left on a planet disrupted for 3 to 10 million years or, if the "Venus Effect" is initiated, until solar nova. There is also the possibility of nuclear war, which would be very difficult to keep below nuclear winter threshold, or toxic planetary irradiation.

If they could ramp up to eliminate 36.2+ billion tons of CO2 per year, it would be nice.......

It looks like a great and very much needed documentary. In Hansen's "Storms of My Grandchildren"(2009), he stressed the importance of immediately replacing all coal and other fossil fuel power plants with GEN IV designs forcibly scrapped by Clinton in 1994. In his 2006 documentary he gave us a decade to do this, while 350.org gives us until 2024 to reduce all HGHGs 90%, or cross the 2*C deemed dangerous by 2036. In the past a rise of 1.5*C was devastating but did not trigger the tundra methane positive feedback loop. That happens at around 1.8*C, so 2*C is too far. I went ,all solar 16 years ago, but a lot of good it will do in the long run.

There has been the description that it is like we are on the surface of a slowly expanding balloon. We can only see so far, and have not found the giant star desert that the center of the universe would be. The CMB has not been noted for red shift, but explains the "asymetry" of galactic clusters. They say inflation was in the first 1/43rd of a second of the universe's beginning, and the expansion was far faster than light speed in that brief moment. We can't even observe our universe very well, and certainly not more than the billions of light years we can see, into the past. We can only imagine "now" to places that are so distant and so in the past by the restriction of light speed. If this universe is like the surface of an expanding balloon, then how about other "balloons" beyond ours? We really can't know, at least in this life.

Very interesting! I would say that both views are true. The cyanobacteria and early sponges worked to increase O2 levels. Of course, the cyanobacteria had been at it for millions of years before the sponges had enough oxygen for life. Then further millions until the O2 level near today's. In the meantime, from minimal oceanic water O2, the sponges then other animal life began their development. Certainly, sponges did not develop at zero oxygen, because they need a little to live. Taking out the oxygen depleting organic detritus helped, but the cyanobacteria soup was letting off much more O2. How much each contributed in percentage can only be an educated guess until more sponge areas of that period are discovered. Even then, we are limited to the range of age determined by radioactive isotope dating. I think a lab experiment with containment and O2 measuring from each of sponges and cyanobacteria (hopefully near the same as the ancient), would be in order. Replicate various conditions from zero O2 to the present level. That would add weight to the studies. That is, both atmospheric and dissolved O2 could be measured, until the cyanobacteria kill themselves with their waste O2. Then the sponges would have a smorgasbord, if they were in the same container. In the article, Prof. Poulton's statement at the end is telling.

That is a good question, Mr. Cuthbar. Personally, I think they are a weapon, if developed, that could be used against civilians(us)or enemies. A loud 100 shot mini-gunship that can be shot down very easily is a waste of money.

Essay "Yes, the focus on cutting emissions only, and not also including the soil's capacity to store extra carbon (or become a source of emissions itself, if it's disturbed, oxidized, and degraded) is a source of great consternation and heartache" Good healthy soils are carbon sinks, and the problem is so much(~75%) of the world's soils depleted in various ways. With old and new techniques, the soil can be rebuilt with less effort than some other CO2 reduction ideas, and for increasing, or stopping as much decrease on crop yields. Part of the problem is planting enough trees to absorb Human CO2. Last year's 36.2 Billion tons equals the absorption capacity of over 72 trillion trees. With tree life spans and maturing this equals 7 trillion trees should be planted each year. More or other means like "Nano Trees", healthy soils mass initiative, and stopping almost all slash/ burn, and fossil fuel use is also needed, FAST. Well, the unfortunate reality is one of continued soil depletion/degradation and future sequested remaining CO2 released from the heat of near thermal max conditions in 3-500 years. I plant trees each year, but 10, not 1000 like everyone would theoretically have to do. I think it is an impossible task to stop this Juggernaut of overpopulation and greed induced HGHG emissions, from knowledge of human psychology. All must be done before the major tipping point of tundra methane self release first observed by 3 groups of scientists in 2009, is fully developed into an unstoppable natural phenomenon of a positive feedback loop(in comes that darn implementation time), Like PETM on steroids, 10 to increasing to 40 times faster, and at least 20% more sequestered CH4 and CO2, with a significantly longer resequestration time (180K yrs. X 1.2=216K years min. From a PETM EL of 30% to the present one being worse than K-T with 85-90% EL.(2M.Y. for PETM would be at least 50% longer or 3 M..Y. to get back the biosphere to healthy diversity.) PM me for links(they are in my threads at www.Envirolink.org/forum/index.php ).

The artificial controversy is just an excuse for business as usual until we cross the terminal tipping point where, accounting for momentum in the system, it will be too late to stop the "natural methane turnover reaction". Looking at data from PETM which was only a 30% ELE, the rate of CO2 output is about 7 times higher(and methane turnover is only at the beginning), and the warming is 40 times faster. If we are lucky, we have only until 2023 to reduce ALL HGHGs 90% of 2000 levels. After that, nothing will stop the process. Just like we blew it with overpopulation discovered in the 60s and the crash by 2050 mathematically impossible to stop since last century--1998 in my calcs.. So miserable survivors face increasing heat and malevolent weather, until 2300 to 2500 when thermal maximum is reached, and the current ELE completes with a 85-90% extinction rate. Remember, that CH4 is 23 times more potent a greenhouse gas(for 15 years until co2/H2O breakdown and still more AGW. and it will be increasing exponentially after the population crash, especially, but even now, it has been reported since 2009. My family reduced their eco-footprint to 1/20th the US average, but everyone in the world would have to do it within 9 years, which to me, is logistically impossible. So, because of human greed, stupidity, overbreeding, and selfishness with inability or morals to see and think ahead of the consequences of their actions, those of us who do and can live sustainably with the morals of the great native Americans, will be the minority pulled down with the miserable rest of humanity.... extinction. Unless somehow someone can stay frozen and wake up and survive several million years later. Unlikely...

Hi, Mike. There is the hope that one very large and due volcano can cause huge crop losses with a volcanic partial winter, which could collapse civilization and the human population enough to stop thermageddon, if within the next nine years. Katla, southern Iceland--due NOW. Two tsunamis due also, are La Palma in the Atlantic, devestating the US East Coast and many other countries, and the worst nightmare---Cascadia. I had to move out of Seattle because of the case of heebee jeebees . Either could collapse the US and then world economy which would also set off a collapse. To me, it is really something that our only hope of survival as a species is catastrophe. The hope for Yellowstone to do it, is just at least 2K yrs. away, and its 10*F cooling would not be enough if AETM hits first with +29 to 32*F. Maybe another very large asteroid hit? Unlikely within 13 million years, but possible. What else could stop Anthropocene Thermal Maximum from its 86% ELE? We only have 9 yrs. before the Arctic Tundra methane self release positive feedback is unstoppable. The "Methane Turnover" Natural reaction sequence. Tipping points; open ocean self warming-passed, tundra methane without a 90% HGHG reduction 2023, oceanic methane deposits self release from 2100 to 2500, and finally the waters give up their dissolved CO2 in the heat and so does the land--the fourth tipping point. What else could prevent it? Maybe the ridiculous idea of a "limited nuclear war". Possibly forcing Yellowstone magma chamber to blow with strategically drilled and placed hydrogen bombs? NO, I HOPE for Katla to save us in a near super eruption. Even though most will die.

Over the past 50 years I have studied the Earth in an educated manner. We are in the 6th Great Extinction Event, according to Prof. Leakey from 1996. Nemesis, or Niburu, 26.2 Million year cycles, for many from the rain of comets hitting the asteroid belt. This one is from a supposedly intelligent species. I think back when the cyanobacteria exploded and created our oxygen atmosphere, killing many with their waste product but opening it up for animals. They remind me of yeast, killing themselves off with their own waste products, just like humans are doing. This ELE, geologically, probably started with the tech of the Folsom Point and will end with AETM and finish at worse than the KT-Event. With us, unfortunately. I calculated the Resequestration time of 230K years and 3 million years for the return of the same bio-diversity as at the beginning of theis interglacial epoch. Of course the Malenkovich/axis tilt wobble induced ice age cycle will be disrupted for probably two cycles.