Andromus

I'd like for you to actually find any contradictions and post them please. I don't believe I've contradicted myself in any way, especially on the life and death note. When I say life is all that matters, and that death is a positive thing, the only contradiction created there is in your own mind, simply because you have no idea what death is, or life for that matter, you assume they are two completely different things, or at least that one of them has to be opposite to the other, yet you only have your own perception of it, that's it my friend, whether they are positive or negative is up to you. Of course I can't wait to die to find out what it's like, but I'm not in a hurry to force it obviously. I'm very curious about it, and yes, maybe the positive humane thing is to put that child to death, and out of it's miserable life, but saying such things would be severely lacking in hope, a positive thought that would help. The meanings of words, the meaning of scenarios, the meaning of pictures, the meaning of life, are either positive or negative factors based on your own perception (100% true), you must understand this one sentence above all. Just what is so illogical about measuring brain waves, and attempting to increase their potency with emotions? A completely understandable theory, and the underlining factor of this thread. Taking my perception of life and death is-what-it-is, my perception. I welcome you to believe in whatever you want when it comes to life or death. However, this is not the reason for my post. I've redefined terminologies of two words to fit my perception, that's it. If you don't "get it" It's because your not supposed to, unless your willing to view it from my perspective with my newly defined words, which is the entire reason I've posted this in the first place. I keep hearing this 100% certainty of the value of faith, but no, faith is just a bowl, and all the positive thoughts possible are the cheerios that fill it, the size of the bowl and the cheerios are up to you, but remember, cereal is not the same without the Milky Way. Try a bowl of this in the morning, just try to fill it up with any positive thoughts at all, doesn't matter what they are about, as long as they are positive to you. Just try to at least attempt it. It's probably very difficult for almost everyone to even get a single metaphorical cheerio in the bowl by pure will of their mind. Try it first, then tell me I'm wrong. Close your eyes, picture an empty bowl, pick up a cheerio in your mind, and associate a funny, if not hilarious moment that's recently happened in your life to this cheerio. Really think about that thought as you place it into the bowl, I hope its hilarious. IF you managed to do this, and it worked for you, see if you are strong enough to continue filling this bowl one thought at a time. If you notice how good your starting to feel after just two positive thoughts, try to comprehend poring in a full bowl of cheerios at the speed you would in real life and associating an individual thought to each cheerio in real time, that is a higher level of consciousness my friends, and mastering the poring of the cereal is how to get there.

Personally I think it does work here. Try not to look at belief like such a godly term here, as it is still applied to this situation no matter how minuscule it may be. If you didn't exhibit the smallest amount of belief, trust me, you wouldn't go to the store, period. If you took all the positive aspects thinking about the store, like your glad to restock on cigarettes/milk/bread, hope they have this or that, a small amount of thankfulness the store is open this late, ridiculous amounts of subconscious thoughts you don't even realize you have when you think "I'm going to the store"...Now add In a couple negative thought factors and see if you will still go, someone was murdered there last night, the place was held up a dozen times this month, I hate the guy that works there and he's weird, or I'm weird and I don't like people seeing me at the store. Even if you never thought of the exact words, or any words to describe your feelings on the scenario, your feelings on the matter are within you, the need to translate them into words isn't even necessary, and entirely up to you. I think the store is a perfect example, something so mundane and thoughtless, when in actuality, so many factors are involved to get you to move from point A to B regardless of destination or reason. As I am uncomfortable with war of any kind, there are many like me, on both sides of every war. People who purposefully aim in the air to avoid killing another, people who were aware of the greed from their own side, with a complete unwillingness to fight for their leaders diluted cause. I'm not sure what part made you uncomfortable, especially enough to segway directly into war from positive and negative thoughts. You can only take what remains from war it self to identify it, the only true physical remainder of war is relocation of people, dead bodies, rape conceived babies, and materials. Everything else is secondary (non physical) in war, like what you think about it, or what it did to your family, what it means for the rest of your future. Those are all examples of collateral damage that is caused within a persons mind. The way you describe each individuals beliefs as the victor, and then ask if the definition of faith should be more objective? You answered the question yourself my friend. Yes, faith should be more objective, and that's my point exactly. Having two separate mind frames on the matter is a result of labeling, take your labels off and you would realize the real war is between a handful of people playing a massive game of chess. Take two people playing a game of chess, and one of them is your friend. The only reason you want him to win is because of your biased opinion of him over the other. Now replace the chess pieces with your other friends. Now you really want him to win, preventing the loss of as many friends as possible. When that very same story is happening on the other side of the table as well. I guess in order for faith to be more objective, both players would realize the potential loss is too great for either side, admitting the game should not be played at all. You don't need to combine faiths, you don't need to surrender or proclaim new faith. As you said, you just need to be more objective with it. I'd like to put 2 pieces of bread into a toaster and have 3 pop out, as opposed to 1 toasty winner. Well, I'm afraid this religious portion of the science forum wouldn't exist if that was the case. As far as trust-worthy goes, I placed my trust in the research I came across displaying the readings of an EEG machine, showing that positive thoughts are indeed much, much stronger than negative thoughts. I don't see where I have taken the path forking from your perception of reality, I haven't strayed from science the least bit. If the given research was true in measuring brain waves, then I am purely demonstrating the factors involved that would give light to its findings. Breaking down the emotions of a human being, categorizing them, and giving the summations names. If I had an EEG machine on hand, this would be a lot easier to prove for myself. The reason the factors can never be solid or trust-worthy is simply because of each individuals output. Personally I would like to see more research on this field, and possibly be a part of it if I could, as I am a hyper sensitive and very curious as to the measurements of my brain waves when emitting specific thoughts. As for negativity being more powerful when it comes to bodily, environmental or mental harm, I couldn't agree more. But that does not make it a stronger force than positivity, it's just more viable of an emotion to cause harm. If it were up to me, and my personal beliefs on everything in the universe, positivity and negativity would indeed be equal in strength, now the only reason I haven't proclaimed this is solely based on the research I came across regarding the signal strengths that say otherwise. I require more evidence on these tests, but I currently believe in amplifying thoughts by way of emotion. I realize redefining terminologies doesn't go over very well, especially with words as meaningful as faith and doubt, and then attempting to mathematically equate them. All of that just sounds ridiculous. But alas, that is what I've been trying to accomplish here. The reason why I chose faith to be the word that defines the summation of all positive thoughts used, Is simply because I believe that is what religions ask of you to do for god, when using this word "faith". I'm not saying faith is 100% belief. I'm saying that if positive and negative thoughts can be measured properly, then this is why they would appear so different in signal strength. When it comes to displaying these readings accurately, I think the human aspect would be very unreliable, as some, if not most people simply have no control over their emotions whatsoever, especially when asked to display them truthfully on the spot. Maybe we care about the effectiveness of machines over our own bodies, which is why they work so much better than we do ourselves. I will discontinue my mathematical approach on the matter, As I am under qualified to debate this with such lack of evidence and mathematical principal. Defining which thoughts are negative and which are positive is the real game. As I said earlier, the original definition of doubt wouldn't even belong under the category of Doubt as I've defined. Doubt itself is indeed has positive factors, or is more of a doorway to them. Fear as well, doesn't even belong in my category of negative thoughts. Fear is a natural instinct that doesn't require any emotion at all, that's right, it doesn't even have to involve being scared. It can be an instantaneous reaction without even a thought, where even the least evolved forms of life exhibit this instinct, it's the thoughts that come before or afterwards that would be positive or negative. Same with Death, that's not even close to a negative factor in reality, It's up to the people you've left behind to control their emotions about you dying. Personally I can't wait to die, as I find it to be a very positive aspect, like the words "The End" at the end of a good story, what's negative about that, especially if you're the book? Negative thoughts are things that lead to negative activity by way of your own thinking. So again what you've used here as examples of negativity, are not actually negative at all, they are aspects of life that either positivity or negativity can be applied to, its up to you. Where a solid negative emotion is simply hate, anger, prejudice, things that are used purposefully to directly diminish positive aspects.

Hence the reason I said exactly what you quoted me saying. I don't know god, but I can look down at my own two hands. Words are just words, you can throw out as many as you want, but every time you do, you're creating another label for something. This entire world is composed of labels that are supposed to fit in even larger categorical labels, ultimately dividing everything. As I said earlier about peeling back the curtain on the "prayer" word, its logical to say that words themselves are nothing, the pure truth to words is the connection they imply within yourself. As easy as it is for your perception of the color red, to be different from mine, is the same when using words like Faith or god. The general idea for my post is to redefine certain words for those who wish to share my perception of them, for example let me explain a quote from Phi: Here, you are using the word doubt in its original context and definition. If you wish to share my perception of the newly defined doubt, you would see that no negative thought went into remembering the fact that you might not have locked the door. In fact, you were exhibiting positive thoughts by doubting you locked the door, simply just using the regular definition of the word doubt. It seems to me that you could replace the word doubt with "curiosity" in every use of your quote. A very positive thing. I'm not sure why you guys keep mentioning this value of 100%? Where is this coming from? I'm simply talking about the strength of radio waves here, being amplified by certain factors. It's coming across to me that you think negative thinking is a negative value, when I've said its just amplified by a lesser value than a positive frequency, there is no 100% or negative values here. 1+10 = 11 .... 1 +0.1 = 1.1..I'm not saying those are solid factors either. When your thinking purely negatively, you are still amplifying your thoughts, you're just amplifying them on a very weak scale.

I wouldn't say that, I would like to think of faith/doubt as the grand scales used to multiply the factors of emotional thoughts. So lets just say that the power of a neutral thought was equal to 1, faith is equal to 10, and doubt is equal to 0.1. That being said, I'm redefining the word Faith as the summation of positive thoughts used in any given scenario, including hope,joy,thankfulness, love and so on, where doubt is the summation of all negative thoughts, but the value of which is not equal to the opposite of faith, given the strength of positive and negative thoughts(if that actually has been proven or not). With more emotional factors involved, the more powerful the transmission. As far as I'm aware, our body is completely reliant on the vibration of molecules, when it comes to healing, feeling good, even looking good. If we use faith and doubt as the summation of all positive and negative thoughts as I've defined, then a large portion of our physical makeup as it stands today is a reflection of this. For example, If you strongly believe you're ugly, you're probably only going to get uglier in appearance, as if you're commanding the molecules in your body to react this way. That might be a measurable force of belief? For me that previous statement is more than true, as it effects my every day life. I have a pretty severe complex regarding my face, that seems to shift in appearance greatly based on my thoughts, I feel I'm living proof of this molecular coherence. This is where I have learned through personal experience the power of physically emanating the strength of your body. For example, when your sad, you put on your sad face and feel/look like garbage, when your happy, you put on your happy face, and look/feel great. This is where I put on my unimaginably powerful face. For me, Its tightening of the face, piercing gaze like you've seen the end of the universe and back, and a small grin. The emotion that comes along with that is great confidence in yourself and your abilities. But anyone can fake a smile with no actual emotion behind it, so truly believing that you are powerful helps. Using this belief in myself has resulted in being asked out on dates by the most beautiful of girls, crazy right? I know. Considering I used to think I was one of the ugliest people out there, and never had a chance at attracting anyone. I believed I was correct in thinking I was ugly because of the fact I couldn't attract any girls, now I realize that indeed I was right, but I was causing this reaction on my own, emanating my own thoughts. Now, I have Faith in myself, not doubt, and it's working. So when I say to put your "faith" in something, In essence I'm asking you to put all of your positive thoughts into something, and emanate these thoughts throughout your physical construct. In regards to my original post, administering all of your positive thoughts in yourself would be much more constructive than placing them in a god figures hands, as there would be too much lingering doubt, and not enough direction. In my opinion, this would be step 1, to make the world a better place. Step 2 would be administering faith in all others around you, a nearly impossible feat when you take a look at people today. I have a lot of doubt in step 2, which is not good, not good at all. I have great faith in step 1 though. For the beautiful shining world that many long for, I think it would be found through this 2 step process. I've just thought of a silly example to demonstrate the 100/1 and 1/100 strength of faith and doubt. Let's say you had faith(any positive thoughts at all, like hope,gratefulness,confidence) in the fact that you were going to go to the store today, the chances are very high that you will be going to the store. Now lets say you doubt you will be going to the store today, chances are that you still might end up going, because doubt is nowhere near as strong as faith. Does that make sense? I doubt a single person had faith in the regrowth of his limb in the first place, where clearly the issue was the removal of the cancer, the limb remaining intact is completely secondary, I realize the leg was lost at war, not removed because of the cancer, but the point still stands of his overall health, surviving. We already know that limbs can grow back in other species, not with our personal human genetics at this time, but I have faith in science and biogenetics, If more people had faith in the fact that his leg would grow back, then maybe more research and effort would go into the correlating field of study and present itself to him, making it entirely possible, for him, or for people in the future to regrow their limbs.

In my eyes, faith is simply the opposite of doubt, either way, both "faith and doubt" don't actually exist in their own individual rights, as they are just directional terms indicating the route you envision of possible outcomes via belief. I am no scientist, but I do believe that it is a measurable force. So when you ask if faith is a very strong belief, I would think that it is entirely up to the brain power emitting this frequency of belief. I've heard that it is possible to measure the strength of a positive thought brainwave versus a negative thought brainwave, and according to their(was either TV or youtube) calculations, positive thoughts are roughly 100x stronger than negative thoughts. I have no idea if that is actually true or not. I'd like to say faith would equal the value of positive thought (100/1 scale) x thought (cubed I'm thinking?) where thought(T³) = the measurement of neutral thought, like the amount of energy that was required for you to think of "Apples and Oranges"), and doubt would be the value of negative thought (1/100 scale) x T³. Only reason I'm thinking to use cubed in the equation is because I'm guessing thought has to be multiplied by our apparent 3 dimensional limitation. If I was to go overboard even further (if that's possible) I would even bet it should be T4... a quartic equation. I don't know how to write equations, but if you can just play along(try to see), my guess is it would be something like: F=PT³ where D=NT³ .....Now again, I have no idea what I'm doing writing formulas, and not sure why I'm proceeding with this, but anyways....F=Faith, D=Doubt --- P=100/1 ---- N=1/100---. Now, I'm probably going to get torn to shreds for attempting to post a formula with almost no knowledge of how to do so properly, I'm just trying to paint a picture of what I'm guessing. Maybe someone here from the mathematics department can have a look at this? Hopefully they can interpret my lack of actual math principal. Sorry for that >< For the final question, how do we attain power from this? Well, as far as my understanding goes, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. So we already know that anything we say or do, will effect us in return with an equal reaction, and I'm pretty sure most of us are on board with the fact that the same goes with our thoughts aswell. Now lets say every single thought wave that's happening right now, from every person on earth, were creating these cosmic frequencies that are the reaction to your action of thought. Now here's the thing, we change our thought so frequently, like constantly spinning a tuning dial, but if we stuck on the same thought, we begin to resonate with the "reaction". Like stopping the tuning dial so you can actually listen to the frequency that's being transmitted. One can truly be exceptional with the power of their thoughts, but I only live for the day when everyone can be made aware of this. Because right now, the only groups of people that are exploiting this actually are religious people, who gather in groups to "pray" for someone. I'm trying to peel back the curtains on that "pray" word, and where these prayers are being transmitted too. I want everyone to exploit this, and use it to help everyone else. I would sound like Peter Pan if I were to tread further on this note ><

Sorry, let me reiterate... I'm open to discussion, I just want to clarify that I don't want to say who is right and who is wrong. In essence, I just want to discuss both sides the topic in the most peaceful manner possible without offending others. Saying that I didn't want to debate the topic was the wrong choice of words. I'm still not sure how to put it properly. As, I said of balance, a lot of goodness has come from religion, more over, good people.

Hello, I'm Andromus This is my personal view, my own perception on the life I'm living, I just wanted to share my thoughts on the matter. If you're looking for a place to administer your faith, to me it would only be logical to place it within yourself and others, and the universe we live in... Not an unfathomable construct of man that's primarily used as an excuse to shed blood. Half of my family is christian, and half of my Grandpa's town prayed for him in his final hours. I am grateful for these loving caring people, but I am sad they are fooled into believing they are required to follow a middle man religion in order to be allowed to place their faith in a higher power's hands. I personally don't believe in any god type character who is solely responsible for the creation of existence, nor heaven or hell, and on the heaven/hell note I'd just like to add that I believe death(-) is no different from life(+), as both are purely our own perceptions of it. But to people who do believe in God, then maybe you can agree with one thing, God is good, religion is bad. In science I believe there is balance in every aspect of the universe via positive(+) and negative(-) effect. There are many good aspects to religion, like the strength and resources it can provide for a family in need... (its been 10 minutes now looking for another positive reason, still researching) ... Alright well, that's a pretty big positive anyways, but the negative is millions, perhaps billions of people over the last couple thousand years have been brutally slaughtered in its name (reasonable negative). I truly believe in the power one could attain from believing in god, but to me it would be the same thing as attaining power from anything else you put enough faith into. In my opinion its only logical to place faith in everything you know, not the things you don't, that just doesn't make sense to me, when your praying to god you're attempting to place your faith out into the universe's hands itself hoping something hears you. So you say, "Well then, why do I know for a fact God answered my prayers when I needed him the most?" Then I say, "Well, we are walking transistors capable of vibrating on any wavelength the universe has to offer, including your personal perception of god." Then you say, "Well then who is the transponder??" Then I say "Everyone and everything." ... I only want whats best for everyone on Earth, and in my opinion, it's a simple slap in the face, administered by a crying, starving child, saying, "Life is all that matters, not the reasons why"... I won't be debating this topic, If you'd like for me to elaborate on any points further, I may. But I am not here to debate this, only to share my opinion, as I respect and understand the opinions of those who do believe in god and religion.