Enric

This Universe is Logic. We can expect something different like this? I think yes. I think we change the subsequent logic every moment. One can think the Universe could be explained in a maths formula, but we don't know everything what this Universe includes. And above all, the infinite things, enemies of maths. For exemple, comes first to my mind the infinite decimals. The formula for Universe can't be exact. Maybe changes every moment for some unknown reason.

"Included" inside the Chemistry and inside the Logic, when they were created. Another curious and absurd thing in a curious and absurd Universe. Well, if it is Logical, maybe the Universe it's not so, so absurd. But at least its creation, alone or not alone, it's quite absurd. An impeccable Simphony by the perfect Orchestra. But, the Orchestra, the partiture and the Author are self-created from the Nothing, or created by Something unknown. At least, curious. We can suspect everything, like the great part of the people.

This Universe is cruel because it's logic and we are only an effect of the Chemistry. But it's also curious that our apparition and presence was "foreseen" or "included" in a standard way inside the Chemistry at the beginning of all, when it was created. Another curious and absurd thing.

Created alone...? Yes or not... In both cases, the answer can only be absurd. And very absurd, because the Universe is very big.

In my modest and ludicrous opinion, this universe can be so cruel because is logical till the last consequence, even cruel. It is logical to be manipulable and habitable. If it would be ilogical, may could be habitable but not manipulable. And in all this logic, appears two irrationalities: the existence of the universe itself, ("Is it created alone? yes or not? and which answer is more irrational?) and the existence of "The I" who is or was watching it. Similars in essence. The rest are impeccable in logic... till the end.

The existence of the Universe is, more or less, as irrational as the existence of "The I" who are watching it. They both have solution in the time, but it will be the remains of these irrationalities. Sorry. I want to say: "but it will be there the remains of these irrationalitites" Why so many irrationalities? Who knows.

Is it the Universe created alone? Yes or not? Only Yes or Not. And which answer is more irrational? Yes or Not? Nobody knows the answer, but the question is very interesting by itself.

Well. We know that all things in this universe have a creation or a source at the beginning of all. All things that sorround us. At the beginning of all: No creation, no source. It doesn't seem very rational. At the other hand, also at the beginning of all: A source or a creation... From what? It doesn't seem either very rational. Sorry. Maybe the word 'creation' is wrong. Is better the word 'transformation' from the source, natural or artificial.

Well, matter comes from helium, hidrogen, energy, etc... But we can move the same question a step and infinite steps I suppose. Are all self-created -created by themselves or alone- or not? Which answer is more irrational? This is hard philosophy.

What's the source of the matter of the universe? Where does come from? And the question of the million: it is self-created (created alone by itself) or not? Which answer is more irrational?

If we are executing a programm... Is it possible another Big Bang after a Big Crunch? And another Universe, similar, identical or completely different? Consequence of the present Universe. In an infitine process. Another universe where doesn't apear the Earth. Or our galaxy. Or current galaxies. Or Another Universe like the present, with only difference in an atom at the other side of the Universe. Another Universe where we have not the same brothers, or in the lottery of DNA we have not a disease and we have another... Another where doesn't happen the same things and we do not appear... And repeating the loop of possibilities almost infitinites in an infinite process? The answer is possible if we can demonstrate that this Universe will end in a Big Crunch. An implosion enough powerful to cause another explosion called Big Bang.

No, in fact. Perhaps helping somebody that don't know this debate since my point of view. A lot of people doesn't know this reasoning till the last consequence. But, you can close this thread if you want. If everybody knows...

Summarizing seriously: I want to say, as I said, that I think it's better to live in a Program that improves, at least a bit, each moment -or each era-, than in a chaos. Chaos is more Chaos each moment.

I think is better to live in a program than in a chaos. Maybe helps somebody in someway. Chaos is chaos. A program perhaps needs a programmer. With a little luck. Who knows. It's better than nothing. Sorry for my English. Too much injustice in the world. It seems chaos. But pure logic points to the program, and consequence after consequence. Who knows. The next logical conclusion is that we have absolutely no importance. Universe is too much big and we are too much little. A hope, in my opinion, is the particularity of intelligence and life -this growing and growing effect of chemistry- to domesticate the environment and to put some kind of justice -more slowly- in it. Intelligence allways grows in the evolution in all cases. Maybe some day in a far future we have enough knowledge to change things and Universe. In all cases, we will be programmed for this. Perhaps all this programation have some sense in some moment! My intuition says that we are in the prehistory of something and we suffer for this. But this is subjective. At last, something subjective!

I think there are not choices. But it seems there are choices for us. And allways will seem it. Like line 1280 before line 1290 in a old Basic programm. Line 1280 is very real for us. As real as line 1290 when we arrive. In other hand, before this reasoning I was completely skeptical. Now I'm half-skeptical. With a little, very little luck, maybe there is a God or "something". Is the only conclusion for an atheist.

This is the Universe of Maths. There's no space for random. In a hypothetical blackboard bigger than Universe, and based in the present situation, you could write the equation of the Universe. From the beginning to the end. And we appear in it because is foreseen in the equation. It is the only thing I know.

I don't know "whom". I only know that I'm here because is foreseen in this chain reaction. Like executing a computer program. Or the movements of a balls in a billiard table. If time could reverse, this chain reaction could also reverse to the beginning. So, this Universe is a chain reaction. Atom level, or more little. of course. This is all theory. Maybe we can go to the trash can.

We are here. This is a testable evidence. And this is the reason of my words. For me, consequences is the atom A crashes with atom B and they, because this, with atoms C and D, and so... infinite consequences...

This is not the Universe of Chaos. It is the Universe of the consequences, but we are not aware of all of them, and it is to every last atom and the last molecule. This is so since the time and distance were made and applied, ie, Entropy. If everything were paralyzed because there were no time and distance, entropy does not exist. And another thought: We're just an effect of the chemical in an entropic Universe. But chemistry was foreseen at the time of the big bang, and with it, it was also foreseen that we would appear and we would do what we do. Because this reason we are here and we do what we do. Perhaps this means nothing, but it is strange, weird and disturbing. Enric Catalonia.