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Thanks Mordred That was a really helpful response. I deliberately left out measurement as a means in my post. The main reason for this is our inability to measure the universe via either the smallest or the largest. It doesn't prevent us from creating a working model somewhere down the track since the model would need to mimic what we see today. However I think the middle can tell us about the borders if there be any. Reading your links was very informative and I can see that I need to get into a long line . The energy is not represented as anything more than a portion of the whole . But in itself it is the main constant. This would mean the original pin point containing the energy loses it at this given constant. ( as I said the rate is undetermined). Each new phase ( if you like) or occurrence is one value less and the residue of the lost energy is used space. In other words created space via this process. Or course while space is one thing , we need to account for the amount of energy we see today. It's simply a matter of rate. Since we occupy the very thing we are studying , we cannot perceive fast enough to see the individual parts of the process. Cheers Iseeson If I were pushed , I'd have to say that the speed of propagation would be much , much higher than any one would have suggested thus far. Something equal to the mass of the universe as we can measure it times the smallest , which I guess is a photon or electron. And if that doesn't work.... Go faster. Cheers Iseeson

Thanks Mordred Yes I understand that. One of my reasons for putting it this way is that the different states replaces the expectation of lots of energy. . I'm not disputing observable universal behaviours. Cheers iseeson

Hi all I am wanting to discuss a different first cause from the original view of Big Bang. Now I understand that science questions itself as to whether Big Bang was one event or a series of big bangs so this is really about expansion of energy. What if , rather than losing energy via expansion which is rather like turning on a hose and letting all the energy out, The singularity which is said to be the size of a pin head , lost energy and what we could see if we took step one and step two , was simply different states of the singularity. Step one original singularity Step two original singularity minus one measure of energy. Step three original singularity minus two measures of energy. The speed at which this happens is irrelevant at this stage. It is the behaviour that is important. The point is that in Big Bang we are expecting to see the residue coming out and expanding. But what if the residue were used space( empty space) and what we actually observe is the singularity itself in various states. Cheers iseeson