Hexaditon

How about you go to google and you look for 'subjective' used in a sentence. Maybe that will give you a better idea on how it should be used. And that was not the initial challenge - don't shift face now.

Are you the moderator? Let the moderator be the moderator. Are you the entire forum? Let the forum be the forum. If you don't like me - get over it. If the moderator doesn't like me - he'll ban me. It is within his powers and the decision is properly his - not yours. btw there is a reason why they call it Chile saltpeter. Can you think of why that could be? *holds hands on knees like blues clues* cheers!

1) Umm how about you look at the mechanics of esterification again and stop trying to bs your way out of error. No that is not how esterification works it does not take ONE hydrogen ion to cause the reaction otherwise esterification would proceed without any acid. But you should know that H2O breaks down into H+ and OH- on it's own since you're going to harvard and all. I don't see how you could overlook that. Anyhow... no no no you don't know what esterification is so please no again. 2) the decomposition of NG is another example of an OXIDIZATION reaction. Oxidization of glycerin, nitroglycerin, ****ing paper is a decomposing reaction. Just like burning a piece a candle in the presence of oxygen is causing a decomposition reaction and it is that oxidization that produces heat - released energy.

Well we hoped you would know chemistry by now, but it is evident that you really for the most part don't; So how are we going to be so certain about your knowledge of the forum's mechanics. However I will give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that the posts on this forum, as you put it, can be completly useless. Sure - I bet you can convince the moderators that they had that in mind. But let's break down grammar because we need to on your last sentence.... "that which is in question is far too subjective to one's opinion and less than possible to test" subjective meaning opinionated in the context you put it You are saying what is challenged is far to opinionated to one's opinion. Well opinions are usually opinionated... I don't think you're telling anyone anything new. However - saying it is impossible to test the questions is not just attempt to be mysterious and ambigous again. And nowhere in that statement do you give reason to why the question can not be brough to light. Merely opinions are opinions and it's not possible to test whatever it is. You can slap on words - but you are appealing to higher intellects. These aren't the kids at your middle school who just look at you funny when you say high-syllable nonsense. I'm sure the people of this forum can, as can I, break down meanings. Your method is ineffective. So without ambiguity ... please... What is the challenge?

And I specified nitrates in reply. If that's what you recalled - then you recalled wrong. My apologies for your lapse.

And once again I reiterate - there's not an inorganic acid in that mix that'll cause the esterification. The acidic conditions of a sodium bisulfate solution is not an inorganic acid with the abilities to cause esterification. Firstly, how is the last statement relevant? It's only giving me another point to pick at.... The oxidization of the glycerin molecule IS the decomposition reaction. It will not oxidize before it decomposes because it is decomposing by oxidation. Anything else?

Here is a good look at the mechanism of esterifications: http://wyk.edu.hk/~paulsiu/Chemistry/ester.htm No, esterifications will not happen. There's not inorganic acid in that mix that'll cause it. The question on how hot it would get is very relevant. If it is hot enough to decompose the glycerin then this is a completely different game.

Oh do you? Wonderful. Marvelous. I'm challenged but then again I am not. Well that post was non-informative. If you wish to debate then propose an argument. Otherwise, you are not developing rapport with mindlessness. -me 2,2',4,4',6,6'-hexanitrodiphenylmethane

Last time you checked you were very correct. Nitrates are mined in Chile. As stated in the post. -Justin 2,2',4,4',6,6'-hexanitrodiphenylmethane

Who lied to you? Potassium Nitrate is a common fertilizer can be bought throughout the states from sea to shining sea in 50 pound bags. It is fertilizer grade - mined from the mountains in Chile - so the impurities are NaCl and possibly a bit of hydroxide aswell - this can be checked through pH test. Some bags will hardly tip the meter. If the farm supply thinks you're too ugly to sell it to you - you can find it in a more expensive source through nurseries that sell stump removers. Many stump removers are about a 5 bucks per pound source of KNO3 with about equal purity to that of the fertilizer grade. It may have a binding agent which can be seperated by disolving in water and recrystalizing. If THEY think you're too ugly - You can use any nitrate - particularly the hydroscopic NaNO3 which you can find in the garden sections of hardware stores.... and don't worry, they get plenty of ugly people so they won't notice you. Using this and a potassium salt (like KCl which is at grocery stores as a salt substitute) you can seperate KNO3 through a process of fractional crystalization. Look at solubility charts for guidance on this process. Cheers! Justin

To open my post I will provide my soapbox speech. I came across these forums looking for a particular synthesis reaction. Why it landed me here - the joking gods only know. When I looked through only a couple of the abundant threads I frowned..... no really I became sad. The quality of the information being passed between theses "chemists" had the quality of or beneath the ACB (anarchist cookbook)... and I would even question if the overall understanding of chemistry would allow the members here to take that in the proper, insulting manenr. I did not initially feel it necessary to register just to make some posts, try to fix up errors, try to clarify topics, try to enlighten the naive.... but every thread was more and more pushing. A group of amateur chemists coming together to improve their knowledge is marvellous ... but a group of children who never read their high-school chem books passing back and forth - and reinforcing false information is not beneficial to anybody. If I was moderator I would first instill research techniques in my members. I would go by the rather successful 'no spoonfeeding' policy to push individuals to learn how to use proper resources to get proper information.... for it is sad to see people ask easily found questions to only get high inaccurate answers. However, I am not the moderator nor do I know the moderator's objective; therefore I pass no judgement on the moderator and none of these depressed words are intended to inflict him/her/them - even if a sad amount of information provided by one was indeed inaccurate aswell. I am just advocating the pursuit for real science and proper information from proper sources. Lurking high-level forums to pick up bits and pieces of information wouldn't be a bad idea neither. Off my soap-box... If I still have you listening then I might still have some hope in teaching somebody something. Let's go over a bit of information on 'hydrogen chloride'. To answer the first question of the thread starter 'does hydrogen chloride really exist'.... well a quick search at http://www.google.com for "hydrogen chloride" would give you a definite answer..... yes.... it REALLY does amazingly as-a-matter-of-factly exist. Now with your evaporate the water comment.... there seems to be this phatom among this forum that everyone believes that water has the lowest boiling point than any other material or something along the lines that water will always vaporize first..... Why? I don't know.... not even intuition would provide that. What if you evaporate the water?? You'll have an empty pot... because the HCl will vaporize preferrably over H2O.... This distillation concept needs to be studied. It seems that everyone only read the couple pages in their chem class required to get a C on the test. Getting ahold of a practical organic chem book would not hurt at all. You can get them free online if you know where to look. Vogels 3rd opens with a very informative distillation information - with equations and all. Google it. Anyhow HCl has a boiling point of -85oC yeah it'll surely vaporize first. The stuff fumes by the time it's 35%. Has for the bonding question and what it looks like.... Another google problem that will answer. It looks like HI ... it looks like HBr.... it looks like HF - Except it's a chlorine halogen - Still very polar and covalent with the chlorine raping the hydrogen of that electron leaving the hydrogen more electrically positive. It has a dipole moment of oh... like 1.1... 1.0something I don't remember look it up. This is big cause of it's strong solubility. Now if you want HCl then do some scans for manufacture processes. Industrially I believe it is prepared with the combustion of H2 in a Cl2 saturated atmosphere. H2 + Cl2 --> 2HCl Pretty simple huh? Not all that practical for the home chemist. Anhydrous HCl can be useful in certain home experiments - including home improvised explosive prepatory processes. It can be prepared with NaCl (table salt) and conc. H2SO4 ... concentrated as in at it's azeotrope with water (98%). A double opening flask is provided the proper proportions of NaCl and the sulfuric acid is dripped in the flask at one opening (stopcocked sepertory funnel can be used here... should be used here - but if you're like me you don't have those lampworking skills to make a decent one nor the money to buy one). The reaction with NaCl and H2SO4 evolves HCl which will be passed through a dessicetor ... Ideally CaCl2 (used to keep road ice from evolving - look at your hardware store) which will suck out any moisture leaving you with dry hydrogen chloride gas that can be collected or bubbled through or whatever you want. Sodium sulfate will be left in the solution in the flask with both acid impurities. If I am in error some where - bring it up This was typed from memory so I admit that I am very prone to mistake. I should not be your only source of information - if you decide to reproduce this procedure I'd recommend looking it up first. -Justin