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Like a precursor, a prerequisite, a necessary ingredient. Thoughts along this line? Without the paint you can't paint the picture.

No I'm not that interested in people like Madame Blavatsky, but just that I know that there is something like the akashic record or whatever one wants to call it. But I had the feeling it was hard to access, but the Madame Blavatsky and company seem to think it is easy. That annoys me, easy for some but hard for me. We can't both be talking about the same thing.

That was rather educational. I'll go back to that power point for sure. Thanks.

Cheers. OK the LIGO detector was an "L" shaped building, and each limb was in one dimension x or y but there was no tower which would be the z dimension. Are you imagining the wave traveled from space straight down towards America, is that what you mean? I've never thought of it like that. I thought it was more or less coming in at a low angle rather than from above. They said it was in the southern hemisphere and USA is in the northern so it didn't sound like it was from above. I'll have to consider what you say. If you find that let me know please.

This is how I read it: If the G-radiation travels at the speed of light then the graviton has no mass. If the G-radiation travels at less than the speed of light then the graviton has some mass. Why would you say it has no mass? What is G-Rad if it isn't particles? in that MIT animation the ripples move out like a ripple on a pond. Is G-Rad a planar type problem (radiation emanates in the plane of the orbit only)?

I have been considering this amplitude issue all afternoon. I have reasoned that the amplitude does not decrease with distance just the strength of the signal should diminish at the inverse square rate. Is there any way to resolve this? Like the G-Rad coming from the Earth Sun has an amplitude and wavelength that relates to the Earth -Sun distance and the period related to the orbital period, it is very very weak to begin with and there is no logical reason to change any parameter. Can waves behave like this? Beams of particles could. So will this allow us to tell whether the G-Rad is energy (EM??) or gravitons (particles)? The number of gravitons per m^2/sec at any point of space will decline with distance and with distance they will be more parallel whereas close in they will moving in all manner of directions (the animation above really demonstrates that). Anyone considering this?

@Strange - That is exactly what I mean. It is more like the two swans situation rather than a stone in a pond. With the two swans each time one swims past you there would be another positive pressure wave. So if there are two swans there are two positive pressure waves per revolution and did they show that in the animations? So if they have a frequency coming from the infall that frequency is twice the rotation rate. (I might have said it wrong before but thinking it through there are two waves per revolution for there are two bodies in the merger. PS: it was correct above as well.) This needs checking for the estimated speed of the BHs would need to be halved otherwise. Could someone please check this for the speed of the BHs seemed to be extraordinarily high but let's apply some formulas and check it. Good to see you. Immediately I notice in the first animation it has just the one wave coming from only one of the two orbiting bodies. Now that must be wrong surely. The total radiation depends on the combination of the two masses. I'll have a look further into the article now. I can not fault the rest as my math not good enough. One further question: The amplitude of the G-Rad wave is as shown based on the radius of the binary orbit. Is that correct? Does that amplitude remain a feature of the radiation no matter how far away it travels from the source? If that was the source of the amplitude of the wave, the wave would have a higher frequency but lower amplitude as the bodies merge. The amount of G-radiation increases but the amplitude decreases as the bodies merge. On the graphs we see the amplitude increase (and frequency increase) but the amplitude on the graph is more representative of total power output rather than amplitude of the G-Rad wave. Do you agree with any of that? There was an article on a site having Q&A http://gizmodo.com/your-questions-about-gravitational-waves-answered-1758269933 I found it interesting that if gravity was mediated by gravitons and gravitons were in the radiation, this she admits would complicate the analysis. I expect there is more to learn regarding this. I don't feel so bad now as the video "LIGO Detects Gravitational Waves" produced by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) shows the G-Rad coming from the separate BHs and combining in space thereafter. At 3:47 in this video. this is clearly shown. A wonderful video, and gives honour to those who made it possible.

OK well keep it switched on and you might get something in the next 15.7 billion years. If only it was that easy. It might be a bit like SETI waiting, waiting, waiting, but LIGO was waiting too and got it.

Well it wasn't me who first talked about Atlantis, pineal glands and ascended masters etc but others. Look if they put these terms into their posts I will consider whatever they write. I am trying to glean what the forum knows about the akashic record and on the whole it doesn't seem that helpful so far. I thought the thread finished yesterday but you started discussing it again in #12 http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/93530-akashic-records-true-or-false-what-are-they/#entry906131. and Kisai in #11 http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/93530-akashic-records-true-or-false-what-are-they/#entry906128 Are you ready for it?

You have? In what way?

Good questions Mike. Check this out please Mike >>> What I am wondering about is why we got a wave and not just a series of half waves (humps)? Why would one end of the binary be more like the south pole of a magnet and the other north. Gravity doesn't have a polarity. It could be the way the G-Rad is detected that converts half waves into sinusoidal waves. I'm just not sure if they got the rotational speeds correct for if I'm right then each half turn will create one full sinusoidal line on the LIDO graph. It would be like attaching a laser to each BH so each time one went past us (closest to us) we would see the light i.e 2 pulses per revolution not just 1 (1 from each of the binary BHs). Did you see if there was a representation between the position of the BH and the graph? I don't remember seeing 2 pulses per revolution of the Binary. How gravitons would work has not been worked out yet AFAIK.

I saw your post and I will look at the link soon but consider how science could get the evidence it needs? Science has trouble proving that a subject is conscious let alone what the subject is conscious of. I can't imagine as YET how you could test it. Shall we try and design an experiment for the scientific discovery of Akashic Record? From the anecdotal evidence link it says: So if the only clues we have are the case studies. Can we put those cases to the test? Is there something within the experience that can be tested? Problems with this is the cost and time involved. Maybe it needs to be a national project or even a global one, which is then monitored for the next century or more to see if the "information" from the Akashic record had power of precognition of the future or truthful facts about the past. Still may or may not be conclusive. How will you be able to tell the "true Scotsmen"? There will be claims of "not a true Scotsman", if you know what I mean.

That is the very nature of a coincidence. It is the regularity of the perception of coincidence that is what you have noticed. Read up on the science of coincidences please. If you just prefer to listen YouTube has a good documentary in 5 sections on "Critical Thinking About Coincidences (1/5)" by Kevin deLaplante

At first I wasn't talking about the TK experiments but the TP experiences, think of them as a coincidence. Now the TK experiment needs further proof where no one can say it was air currents etc.

@Tar - Feeling better?

That is an experience that could just be coincidence, and I'd say it is best just to think of it like that. You can come up with concepts of how it might work but they will be just pure guesses. You could get a bit more traction if you were to prove the TK experiment beyond the realms of chance. Don't step too far into the theoretical (making up theories of how it works) before you have actual proof of the simplest first.

But it is not a novel idea, it had been around since historic times. The theosophists may have copied the idea or had some experience to confirm it anew. I can't talk about the Theosophists for I know little about them. When I read what you wrote "by ascended masters with large pineal glands for telepathic communication", that makes it sound as there is a genetic mechanism behind the phenomena. I then wonder if these people have these enlarged glands before they ascended? How is it possible to enlarge one's pineal gland? Here's a joke answer "Exercise it!" Could it be a non-lethal mutation that leads to enlarged pineal glands?

I'm surprised by the lack of discussion. Does anyone think about how long the black holes were orbiting each other before they merged? One reference suggested they were binary stars originally and then became BHs. That is the sort of timescale that would be needed and if all the G-Rad that had been radiated throughout the entire lifetime of those stars then Supernovae (SN) then black holes there would be considerable mass loss far in excess to the 3 solar masses just from the G-Rad without even thinking about the SN events. The timescale of this event is billions of years and not just the last 0.3 seconds. That was one of the concepts I struggled with, was that one star in a binary can go supernova and yet the binary arrangement survives. OK the supernova ejecta can go off through interstellar space and get involved with other nebula and hence form other stars but what happens to the mass lost to G-rad? Does this have a role in any other phenomena?

From Truth and Knowledge - "Whoever sets himself up as a judge in the field of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods - Albert Einstein." You would need to be careful when extrapolating. In the Old Testament that was where I first noted hints of the "akashic record" but it was operating under a different name, but the idea of "Heavenly Books" is a really ancient concept, much older than Theosophists.

But in the example being discussed they are not random, mine would be "fastfood restaurant physician" or for Einstein rather than saying "patent office clerk", "patent office theorist". I always smile when they say Einstein was good at his day job. (Just waking up down here) "Armchair scientist", "Queen Street farmer", "backyard builder" and "Number 8 wire technology" are some of the sayings we have in NZ.

It could be like many people who are overqualified for their jobs, like having a degree in physics and and having to work at the fast food restaurant to make ends meet. I get the impression Einstein struggled to get a position as a scientist to begin with. Sorry but I don't comprehend your other attempts. Would you care to explain them? That is interesting that you make this association of Einstein with the Theosophists. Where did that idea come from? Was that the implication being made in the old thread link in the OP? It had an amazing title for sure; "Truth and Knowledge" by Pymander.

I have given up finding out more about the akashic record via the forum sorry. The member concerned obviously had a complex belief system with highfalutin sounding words but since the akashic record was not discussed in depth, I'll have to look elsewhere.

The forum member put up a good argument but he did have a different point of view. The reference to the akashic records seem to just go unnoticed by the other posters amongst a lot of topics in discussion and it wasn't questioned thereafter. I'll have to see if the akashic records have been discussed by any other members over the years. Same member Well that is different. Another poster: Cheating the Ferryman! That's it. 3 references and no follow on comments. That's it. pointless trying to work them out here.

I have just noted that simply bringing the 2 masses together on a direct line via gravitational attraction there will be no gravitational radiation and no subsequent mass loss. It seems that G-rad is only produced when gravity is involved with a decaying orbit. Can anyone relate this to the rubber sheet analogy with the marble rolling around but ultimately falling. If there was no G-radiation the marble would not fall, but with G-rad the marble falls. It is not possible to demonstrate this as there is always friction on the rubber sheet. You can't get a frictionless marble rolling on a frictionless rubber sheet. This could be done by computer simulation though. PS: "simply bringing the 2 masses together on a direct line via gravitational attraction" on the rubber sheet analogy that is rolling the marble straight down the slope with no rotation. Does anyone see why the two more even masses (7 kg) would lose more G-Rad? I have understood this due to the orbital speed to being higher resulting a greater mismatch between the curvature of spacetime and the strength of gravity needed to maintain the orbit. I must admit I haven't worked out to say it adequately yet. Can anyone help me out? The paper by Steve Carlip "Does Gravity Travel at the Speed of Light?" goes someway to explain it. http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/93487-split-from-gravitational-waves-discovered/page-2#entry905834

He is noting that Atlantis is disputed, but it isn't Atlantis but the Cult or "occult of Atlantis" that he speaks of contained in Plato's Timaeus and Critias. Then he goes on: Which is exactly what you have done. He then seems to imply there are proofs of these. If I made such unsubstantiated claims I'd get my marching orders. I'll have to read the rest of the thread to see if these proofs were ever asked for.