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Understood. But let me continue on here with explaining my theory because I am still trying to figure this whole theory of mine out. When you are in a hopeless, bland, and "dead" mindstate due to your depression and/or anhedonia, then that is the mindstate of perceiving neutral (neither good or bad) and the scientific version of bad meaning in your life. But when you are in the vibrant, "alive," transcending, and vigorous mindstate of experiencing your pleasant emotions (good moods), then that is the mindstate of perceiving the scientific version of good meaning in your life. The moral version of having good and bad meaning in one's life would say that it doesn't matter what mental state you are in. That if you tell yourself you are living a good or bad life, then that makes it so. But having good or bad meaning in one's life solely depends on what mental state you are in. There is always a scientific (psychological) basis that determines whether we have good or bad meaning in our lives. I already explained it in my previous paragraph above here.

My one and only reason for living and pursuing my highly gifted composing talents would be my good moods (pleasant emotions). To live an eternal blissful life of no more suffering, depression, mortality, and anhedonia. Me being in a good mood is the one and only thing that gives my life good meaning, gives my family good meaning to me, and gives my composing dream good meaning to me. My thoughts alone are nothing more than just the "thinking" experience of my brain. They cannot experience any incentives, inspiration, motivation, love, joy, happiness, etc. They cannot perceive any good meaning in my life. They can only experience the words and phrases (thoughts) of inspiration, incentives, motivation, love, joy, happiness, and good meaning/worth. But my thoughts alone cannot actually allow me to have those said things in my life. If I wish to have good meaning in my life and have an incentive in my life to pursue my goals and dreams and such, then that always calls for my experience of my good moods (pleasant emotions) in order to make that happen. I wish to have a "high" of inspiration and good meaning in my life. But that can only come through my good moods. You cannot achieve this "high" through your thoughts alone. Therefore, you being in a good mood is the one and only thing that makes you a good person and makes a good life. It doesn't matter who you are as a person. The only thing that makes you and your life good and great would be your pleasant emotions (good moods) and nothing else. I must always be up and running in a high, epic, and transcended mood when composing and living my life. Otherwise, if I am depressed and/or anhedonic, then it is an utterly meaningless and inferior way to live and compose.

Well, let me explain more things on my theory here. There are more things to talk about it here: if a sociopath felt nothing but hate and detest towards his/her family and he/she told his/herself that his/her family still has good value and worth to him/her anyway and that they bring him/her good meaning in his/her life anyway, then they would not bring this sociopath any good meaning. They would be of no good value and worth to this sociopath. We have thoughts. But then we have counterthoughts. This sociopath would be having a bad thought which would act as a counterthought to his/her good one and would make that good thought nothing good at all. So he/she would instead be having nothing but that bad thought since his/her brain is getting the displeasure signal and not the pleasure signal. There is the difference between having a thought and having a perception. If we have a good thought and that sends the pleasure signal to our brains, then this would mean that we are actually perceiving that said thing or person to be of good value and worth to us. But if that thought did not send the pleasure signal, then we would not be perceiving any good value and worth towards that said thing or person at all. We would instead be having a neutral or bad counterthought to that good one. Just thoughts alone do not bring our lives any good or bad meaning. Only when we perceive something to be of good value and worth to us or of bad value and bad worth to us would that said thing or person be of good or bad value/worth to us. So with that example with the sociopath, he/she would be perceiving no good meaning whatsoever towards his/her family. He/she would instead be perceiving nothing but bad meaning towards his/her family. Just knowing and thinking things does not give our lives any good or bad meaning. We have to actually perceive it as good or bad to give our lives good or bad meaning. But like I said before, our pleasant and unpleasant feelings/emotions are what give us the actual perception of good and bad meaning in our lives. It is a scientific (feeling/emotional) perception of good and bad meaning in our lives and is not any moral or any other version of good and bad meaning. Therefore, our thoughts alone do not perceive good or bad meaning at all. They instead only perceive different stimuli. They perceive stimuli as either promoting survival, hindering/threatening survival, or neither promoting nor hindering/threatening survival. All stimuli that are perceived as promoting survival always send the pleasure signal, stimuli that are perceived as hindering/threatening survival always send the displeasure signal, and all stimuli that are perceived as neither hindering nor threatening survival always send neither a pleasure nor a displeasure signal. But it is only when we get the pleasure signal that we then experience the pleasant emotion known as "wanting." Wanting is the actual scientific perception of good meaning towards that stimulus that was perceived as survival promoting. The animal (in this case, a human being) needs this experience of wanting in order to give him/her the incentive to pursue that said object of goal. It is the only incentive he/she has to give his/her life good meaning. Once he/she obtains that object of goal, then another pleasure signal would be sent to give him/her the pleasant emotion known as "liking." Liking is also the only thing that gives him/her the incentive (perception of good meaning). If a displeausre signal gets sent to his/her brain, then that is the only thing that gives him/her the scientific perception of bad meaning towards that stimulus that was perceived as hindering or threatening his/her survival. If we had no pleasant or unpleasant feelings/emotions, then we cannot perceive any good or bad meaning whatsoever in our lives. We would only be fooling our brains into thinking we can still live good lives that have good meaning if we were to struggle with depression and/or anhedonia which turns off the experience of our pleasant emotions (our reward system). Just as how a blind and deaf person cannot give his/herself sight and hearing through his/her thoughts alone, we cannot give our lives any good or bad meaning either through our thoughts alone without our pleasant and unpleasant feelings/emotions.

What I mean by the scientific version of good and bad would be no different than the scientific terms "sight" and "hearing." Just as how sight and hearing are our mental experiences of visualizing objects and perceiving sound, good and bad would be our mental experiences of our pleasant and unpleasant feelings/emotions.

Now is it alright if I ask a quick question first? Has it ever been tested whether there is a scientific version of good and bad? If not, then it's no wonder that there is no evidence supporting my theory and it is no wonder why the moral version of good and bad instead has all the evidence supporting it. Actually, I think there is a form of significant evidence supporting my theory. I will explain it after this post and you can then give your response to it.

Alright, I see. It all comes down to experiments. So perhaps this is the type of experiment we should do. You could tell me if this experiment of mine is flawed or not: We need to find out if all good thoughts (thoughts of having good meaning in our lives) are always optimistic experiences for us. We would also need to find out if all optimistic experiences are rewarding experiences (our pleasant emotions). So we need to find out if all good thoughts send the pleasure signal to our brains to give us the experience of pleasant emotions. If they do, then we would know that these are the types of thoughts that send the pleasure signal. From there, we need to find out if all optimistic thoughts send the pleasure signal as well. If they do, then that would say that all good thoughts are optimistic thoughts. From there, we need to find out if all optimistic experiences for us as human beings are always rewarding experiences (our pleasant emotions). We need to find out what optimism is. We need to find out if optimism is joy, happiness, love, inspiration, and motivation. From there, we need to find out if joy, happiness, love, inspiration, and motivation are always rewarding experiences for us. How we would do that would be to see if joy, happiness, love, inspiration, and motivation are the only urges a human being has to live life. So we would have to see if our pleasant feelings/emotions are the only urges we have and if our thoughts alone do not give us urges, but do nothing more than make decisions and choices. From there, we would also find out that our unpleasant feelings/emotions are also urges as well. So we would have to see if joy, happiness, love, inspiration, and motivation are our pleasant feelings/emotions or are our unpleasant feelings/emotions. We know how people act when they are optimistic. They show acts, tones, and expressions that are gleeful and such. We know how people act when they are pessimistic. They show acts, tones, and expressions that are somber and such. So I think it would be quite obvious here that our optimism can only be our pleasant feelings/emotions while it can only be our pessimism that would be our unpleasant feelings/emotions.

So by me wanting to know the answer, you are saying that I am not content with my life and that I need to be accepting and content. But this is a science forum. This is not a therapy forum where we try and calm people down or anything like that. Science is something important here and is what we obviously talk about here.

I understand that. But this is about my theory at hand we are talking about. I need to know the answer to my theory if it is true or false and I need someone to explain to me how it is false if it really is false. I am on the quest for truth here and wish to know the answer to my theory.

Note to Reader: The previous theory I have written was way too long and incoherent. Therefore, this is the final version of my theory that is as brief as possible and gets my point across clearly. The term "rewarding experience" has been defined through science as only being our reward system (pleasant emotions) and not our thoughts alone since our reward system is the only function of our brains that can give us a rewarding experience. It is always a rewarding experience for us to have good meaning in our lives. For example, if you perceive good meaning towards your family and living for them to help them out, then that is always a rewarding experience for you. You are perceiving a rewarding experience towards the helping of your family and towards living for them. Therefore, it would have to be our pleasant emotions that can be the only things that can give good meaning to our lives. To say that something can have good value and worth to you even though it is not a rewarding experience for you would be no different than saying that something can be a rewarding experience for you even though it is not a rewarding experience for you. Therefore, that would be a false (contradictory) statement. I am now going to present to you that contradictory statement here again. So here it is: "This is not a rewarding experience for me. But it still has good value and worth to me anyway." The bolded statement there is either a pessimistic statement or neither a pessimistic nor an optimistic statement. Pessimism is always a disrewarding experience for us as human beings and having neither a pessimistic nor an optimistic experience is always neither a rewarding nor a disrewarding experience for us as human beings. But... "This is not a rewarding experience for me. But it still has good value and worth to me anyway." Now to have good meaning in our lives is always an optimistic statement. Optimism is always a rewarding experience for us as human beings. Therefore, this is the reason why it can only be our rewarding experiences (pleasant emotions) that can make things, people, our family, this life/universe, and our goals/dreams of good value and worth to us. So our pleasant emotions which are the result of the functioning of our reward system would have to be the scientific version of good and our unpleasant feelings/emotions (the opposite) would have to be the scientific version of bad. Having neither pleasant nor unpleasant feelings/emotions would only render you and your life having neutral (neither good or bad) value and worth. So good and bad are scientific terms like sight, hearing, and smell. Our pleasant feelings/emotions are a sense of good meaning in our lives and our unpleasant feelings/emotions are a sense of bad meaning in our lives. Just as how a blind and deaf person cannot give his/herself sight or hearing through his/her thoughts alone, we cannot give our lives any good or bad meaning either without our pleasant/unpleasant feelings/emotions. So if you struggle with depression and/or anhedonia (absence of pleasant emotions) which turns off your reward system, you cannot have any good meaning in your life from your friends, family, or your goals and dreams. In conclusion, our pleasant and unpleasant feelings/emotions are what allow us to perceive a scientific version of good and bad meaning in our lives. It is not a moral version or any other version of good or bad meaning. It is instead a feeling/emotional version of good and bad and not any moral or any other version of good and bad. Therefore, with all of this being said, the moral (personal value judgment) version of good and bad is fake and does not make us or our lives good or bad. There is instead a scientific version of good and bad that humanity and science is currently unaware of and I think I might have discovered it. I myself struggle with depression and anhedonia (absence of all my pleasant emotions). This personal experience has led me to this theory. My intuition has led me to this theory. It could encourage scientists like never before to find cures knowing that our pleasant feelings/emotions are all that we have in our lives to make us good people and our lives good. Science could create an eternal blissful life in the future and resurrect people such as me who have missed out on life so we can live this eternal blissful life.

Thanks for your response. Yes, go ahead and dismiss my title with it being a scientific theory. You would be right. It is just a hypothesis at this point. I don't know if my hypothesis does have blatant flaws to it or not. So that is the reason why I am going to present to you my last section of my book for you to respond to here as well. So here it is: Final Conclusive Debate (Imagined Conversation) On My Theory On Good And Bad Now that I have presented to you the story of the customer and the salesman, I am now going to present one last imagined conversation between me and someone else in order to get my final and most absolute convincing point across. Again, I do this so not only do I get my point across clearly, but also since it is vital for me to do it this way: Response: I do not need any wanting, liking, rewarding experience, care, love, compassion, etc. whatsoever in my life in order to live a good life worth living and for other people and things in this life to be of good value and worth to me. If I am just simply focused on living for something and am focused on doing something, then that is all that is needed in order for those things and people to be good (important) to me. That is all that is needed to live a good life. My Reply: But if I took those things away from you and you became frustrated and lamented over that loss, then that would be saying that you do want and like those things and people as I explained earlier. So would you lament and become frustrated if your family and other things in this life that make your life good and worth living were to be taken away from you? Response: No. But they are all still of good value and worth to me anyway just from the simple fact that I know they are innocent and special things/people in my life. My Reply: This just doesn't make any sense to me. So if I took away your family who are of good value and worth to you who make your life good and worth living, but then I brought them back to you and slowly pulled them away from you again, would you then beg for them back? If you do beg for them back, then that says you do want them and that the reason why your life is good and the reason why your family is of good value and worth to you would be because you want them, like them, and you want to and like to live your life. Response: I would not beg for them. I would just simply do all I can to get them back just from the simple fact that they are innocent people and that it is the right thing to do. My Reply: This still isn't making any sense to me. Let me ask you this. Do you not want and do you not like to see the world become a better place and a good place to live in? Response: No. But that is still of good value and worth to me anyway and that still makes my life good and worth living anyway. My Reply: Then there is no possible way your life can be anything good and worth living and there is no possible way that any of this can have any good value and worth to you. We have invented the moral version of good and bad based on our wanting and liking. If a person is a morally bad person, then we would not just sit there and stand for that. We would want and we would like to see this person become a morally good person. When saw something, wanted it, and liked it, then that is how we as human beings invented the moral version of good. For example, we as human beings wanted and liked the innocent and helpful personality traits displayed by other human beings. Therefore, based upon that, we have invented the moral version of good and have said that this is what we would define as a morally good person. Now we would want and we would like to see the world become a better and good place for us. But if a sociopath wanted that person to remain a morally bad person, then this would be something of good value and worth to that sociopath. This sociopath would of judged that to be morally good (which would be his/her personal value judgment). But for us as innocent human beings, it would not make any sense for us to not want and not like a morally bad person to become a morally good person and for us to say that it is of good value and worth to us when we don't want that and don't like that. Response: It's not a matter of wanting and liking. It is just doing it because it is the right thing to do. My Reply: This doesn't make any sense either. If it is the right thing to do, then that means we want to do it and like to do it. We would want to see this deed done and we would like to see the righteous result this deed has done for innocent people and the world. If it is the right thing to do for us, then it is the important (good) thing to do for us. But if we don't want to do it and don't like to do it, then it is nothing important (good) to us. It would, therefore, not be the right thing to do for us. It would be the right thing for other people since they want and like it. But as long as you don't want and like it, then it is of no importance to you. It is of no good value and worth to you. It would not matter to you that it was the right thing to do for the other people. Response: I see now. I am starting to get what you are saying now. My Reply: Since our wanting and liking can only be our pleasant emotions based upon what Robert Sapolsky has said who is a famous expert evolutionary biologist at Standford University and since our thoughts alone without our pleasant emotions are all nothing more than just the "thinking" experience that cannot give us any urges (wanting and liking), then good and bad are not moral value judgments. We have been thinking that if we judge something to be important (good) to us through our thoughts alone, then that can make them good to us. That if a person who struggles with depression and/or anhedonia (absence of pleasant emotions) were to make the best of his/her life anyway and think that things are still of good value and worth to him/her in life and that he/she is still living the good life of worth, then that is somehow supposed to make those things of good value and worth to him/her and is still somehow supposed to make his/her life good and worth living. But that is false. He/she cannot want and like since he/she cannot experience his/her pleasant emotions. Therefore, his/her life cannot be of any good value and worth and nor can anyone or anything else in this life be of any good value and worth to him/her either. He/she would only be fooling (deluding) his/herself into thinking that he/she is still living a good worthwhile life and that other people and things in his/her life are still of good value and worth to him/her. So since our pleasant emotions are the only things that can make our lives good and worth living and are the only things that can make things and other people of good value and worth (importance) to us, then good and bad would instead have to be scientific terms. Since our pleasant emotions are the only things that can make our lives and things/people in our lives of good value and worth to us, then it is only our pleasant emotions that can allow us to perceive a scientific non-moral good value and worth in our lives. So our pleasant feelings/emotions are the experience of good. They are what perceive good. So they are the scientific version of good. We experience sight and we experience hearing. So that is obviously sight and hearing just as how our pleasant emotions are good. Our unpleasant feelings/emotions would then be the experience of bad. They are what perceive bad. So they are the scientific version of bad. The only way for something to be important (good) to us is if we have the incentive to live for it. That is, if we want it and like it. But that incentive can only come through our pleasant emotions since the only incentive an animal (in this case, a human being) has would be its pleasant emotions since this is what has been proven through science. Our thoughts alone cannot give us this incentive without our pleasant emotions since they can only think of the words and phrases "want," "like," "joy," "happiness," "love," "care," "compassion," and "incentive." But they cannot actually experience those things. Therefore, the moral (personal value judgment) version of good and bad is fake since it does not make us or our lives good or bad. If a person struggles with depression and/or anhedonia, then he/she cannot live a good life of worth just by thinking so. It is instead our pleasant/unpleasant feelings/emotions that make us and our lives good or bad. Response: There is just no way what you are saying can possibly be true. We as human beings certainly can experience wanting, liking, love, joy, happiness, suffering, despair, incentive, etc. through our thoughts alone to give good and bad value/worth to our lives. My Reply: We cannot. It doesn't matter how your brain is wired. Without our pleasant/unpleasant feelings/emotions, then just words and phrases (thoughts alone) of love, joy, compassion, care, happiness, suffering, despair, sadness, grief, etc. will not give us those things mentioned. It would be no different than if I had no ability to think whatsoever and had no ability to feel any pleasant/unpleasant feelings/emotions whatsoever. If someone then presented to me a joyful photo or a tragic photo, then there is no way I could experience joy or suffering/despair from those photos. Same thing if someone presented to me joyful sounds and horrific/tragic sounds. I would still not be able to experience joy or any horror, despair, fear, etc. Therefore, we as human beings cannot experience love, joy, happiness, suffering, despair, incentive, etc. through just words and phrases alone (our thoughts alone) just as how we also cannot experience those things through just different sights and different sounds alone without our thoughts. Those things just mentioned are all urges. Our thoughts and all our other brain functions alone without our pleasant/unpleasant feelings/emotions cannot be urges. For example, love is a pleasant emotion. It is the urge (want and like) to bond with someone. Suffering/despair is the urge to solve a problem that hinders or threatens our survival. If you feel physical pain (burn) from putting your hand on a hot stove, then that is the urge to prevent further damage to your hand. I will bring up my example that I stated earlier with a person having the feeling (urge) to have a bowel movement: If a person had the urge (feeling) to have a bowel movement and he/she were to then use the bathroom, then he/she would of been motivated to use the bathroom and his/her actions to have a bowel movement would of been motivated (urged). He/she would have the incentive to use the bathroom. But if this person had no feelings whatsoever to have a bowel movement and he/she simply thought to his/herself: "Welp, my intestines seem pretty full. So I am just going to get up and use the bathroom now," then he/she would not of been motivated (urged) at all to get up and use the bathroom. He/she would of done nothing more than chosen his/her actions. So he/she would not of had the incentive to have a bowel movement. Our pleasant feelings/emotions are our only incentives that make our lives good and worth living and make things of this life of good value and worth to us while our unpleasant feelings/emotions are the only incentives that make our lives bad and make things of this life to be of bad value and bad worth to us. Our pleasant feelings/emotions are in the realm of the survival aspect which is where we live on, pursue our goals/dreams, and help others. This is what makes our lives good and worth living to us. But our unpleasant feelings/emotions are in the realm of the problem solving aspect. That being, where we solve problems that hinder/threaten our survival and where we have life crisises. This is what makes our lives bad and of bad worth to us. And, of course, having neither pleasant feelings/emotions nor unpleasant feelings/emotions would only render you and your life having neutral (neither good or bad) value and worth. Response: How can this be? I mean, there are plenty of people who have experienced and have found love, joy, happiness, fear, suffering, despair, etc. and all others in their lives even without experiencing any pleasant or unpleasant feelings/emotions. My Reply: They have never had any of those things in their lives during those moments. It was only the thinking area of their brains fooling them into thinking they have them. The thinking area of our brains always tends to fool us as human beings and it is only completely natural for it do so so. You have people who once thought there was Thor the God of Thunder and the list goes on from there. I will bring up my example that I stated before as to how our brains really are fooling us. If someone had no ability to experience any fearful feelings/emotions whatsoever and he/she encountered a perceived frightening situation, then he/she might very well report back to you and say that this was a frightening experience for him/her. But here's the thing. Our thoughts alone do not experience fear. They are all the "thinking" experience as I've stated earlier. Therefore, this person was only fooling his/herself into thinking he/she was having a frightening experience when he/she really wasn't. So in that same sense, people who are depressed and/or anhedonic in which they do not have their pleasant emotions are only fooling themselves if they think they are inspired and motivated in life anyway during their depression and/or anhedonia. They are only fooling themselves into thinking their lives are still good and worth living when they were nothing good and worth living to begin with. Response: But we make choices to live on, pursue our goals/dreams, and help others even if we had no pleasant emotions. Doesn't this say we do have the incentive to live our lives without our pleasant emotions and doesn't this say that our lives can still be good and worth living even without our pleasant emotions? My Reply: No. Our thoughts alone only make decisions, make choices, send pleasure/displeasure signals, and send signals to make us move and perform acts, tones, and expressions. But that is it. They cannot experience any incentives (urges) whatsoever. It doesn't matter how much your brain accepts and adapts to your depression and/or anhedonia which prevents the experience of pleasant emotions. You still cannot have any incentive whatsoever in your life without your pleasant emotions just as how if a person became blind in which the function of his/her brain responsible for his/her sight turned off, he/she cannot have sight whatsoever in his/her life no matter how much his/her brain adapts to his/her blindness. It is only the other functions of his/her brain that become enhanced such as his/her hearing and his/her ability to navigate. But he/she still cannot see. So in that same sense, we still cannot have any incentive in our lives without our pleasant emotions and it is only other brain functions that become enhanced such as our intelligence, creativity, etc. But none of this enhanced intelligence and creativity can make our lives anything good and worth living without our pleasant emotions to make our lives good and worth living. As long as all pleasure (reward system) function is all or virtually all turned off throughout our whole brains due to depression and/or anhedonia, then we cannot live lives of any good value and worth at all until our reward system turns back on when our depression and/or anhedonia passes. Therefore, our lives cannot be good and worth living without our pleasant emotions since we still would have no incentive to live, pursue our goals/dreams, and help others. By people thinking their lives are good and worth living without their pleasant emotions and by them still choosing to pursue their goals/dreams and such in life anyway without their pleasant emotions, then they are only fooling their brains into thinking they have the incentive to live and that their lives are still good and worth living anyway without their pleasant emotions when none of that was ever true. Response: If what you are saying is really true, then how are people with depression and/or anhedonia supposed to find good value and worth in their lives? How are they supposed to have the incentive to live? Furthermore, what advice can a supporting person give to this person struggling with depression and/or anhedonia (absence of pleasure)? My Reply: None. Since our pleasant emotions are our only incentive for living and since they are the only things that can make our lives good and worth living, then a person struggling with depression and/or anhedonia is a hopeless case. They can never have any good value and worth in their lives whatsoever as long as they struggle with these illnesses. Their goals and dreams, friends, and even their own family cannot give any good value and worth to their lives whatsoever as long as they struggle with these illnesses. Depression (hopelessness) is the worst of them all. It lowers you down even further than simply having anhedonia (absence of pleasure). So if you struggle with depression, then you are a truly hopeless cause. But I would just wait until a future recovery of my pleasant emotions. I would not just choose to end my life just yet. I would do all I can to find therapies, medication, supplements, etc. that might help. But if you are someone who can't sufficiently or fully recover your pleasant emotions and you are someone who struggles with these illnesses most or your entire life, then you never had a reason to live to begin with and you never had a reason for living on the face of this Earth. Response: How can you be so cruel? My Reply: My intention is not to be cruel. I am just stating the harsh truth like it is. Humanity places upon us delusions to get us by in life. Humanity has first invented religion to give people the very likely false hope in God and the afterlife when science has clearly supported the nonexistance of a God and afterlife. From there, humanity has invented the moral version of good and bad to get people who struggle by in life. If a person struggles with depression and/or anhedonia, then we would say something to him/her such as that he/she is still a good person and that he/she can still live a good life of worth even while struggling with those illnesses. But that is all a deluded lie. The only thing that can make us good and the only thing that can make our lives good would be living an eternal blissful life of no more suffering, depression, problems, and anhedonia. Our only reason for living is to live this eternal blissful life. So if you were someone unfortunate who was born with much suffering and misery in your life, then it doesn't matter how much you have chosen to make the best of your life and how much you have chosen to live/help others. It doesn't matter how morally great of a person you have become. The only thing that can make you and your life something great is the scientific version of great. Not the moral version which is fake. The scientific version of good (great) obviously being our pleasant emotions. So how much pleasant emotions you have determines how great you and your life are. Nothing else determines the good value and worth of you and your life. Response: It would truly break my heart and it would upset me to tears if what you are saying is true. I could not stand to see someone not live a good life. Especially for someone who struggles with a mental illness such as depression and anhedonia. My Reply: The fact that you are upset and the fact that it bothers you obviously says here that it is of good value and worth to you to see someone live a good life of worth. Especially for someone who struggles with depression and anhedonia. It means you want and like to see such a person live a good life. Otherwise, if you did not want and did not like that, then it would not bother you and it would be of no good value and worth to you. Response: You're right! My Reply: But if you yourself struggled with depression and anhedonia in which you could not experience any wanting and liking which would be your pleasant emotions, then what you would be doing here is fooling your brain into thinking that is something of good value and worth to you. You would be fooling yourself into thinking you want and like that which is the reason why you would be bothered and upset. It would be a delusional form of wanting and liking and it would be a delusional form of good value and worth in your life. So none of it would exist. Even the fact that I am choosing to write this whole theory is my brain being fooled into thinking I want and like to do that (that it has good value and worth to me). But none of that is true since I have 24/7 chronic anhedonia in which I am unable to experience any pleasant emotions at all. Response: Come to think of it, I would be upset if there is nothing good in my life and if my family were to be taken away from me who I deemed to be of good value and worth to me. So according to your theory, I would be fooling myself if I struggled with depression and/or anhedonia. Which I do. I myself struggle with these things. So what if your whole theory really is true? What are we supposed to do then? How are depressed and/or anhedonic people supposed to live their lives? My Reply: We just wait until a possible recovery of our pleasant emotions in the future. That would be a depressed and/or anhedonic person's only reason for living even though that very idea cannot have any good value and worth to him/her during his/her depression and/or anhedonia. Even if we all had a cure in our hands right now for our depression and/or anhedonia, that cure would be of no good value and worth to us since we would not want it and would not like it. Only after we take the cure would our lives and things/people in this life be of good value and worth to us once again since we would be able to experience our pleasant emotions again. Response: You said that we invented the moral version of good based upon our wanting and liking. But what if we could redefine good and say that things in this life can be of good value and worth to us just simply because we are focused on them and that it has nothing to do with any wanting or liking? My Reply: There would have to be a reason why you are focused on living for something in the first place. That reason obviously being because you want to and like to live for that. Response: I don't think that is true. We can still live life and still do things in life just simply to live and do things and nothing more. I think that can still be defined as having good value and worth to us. My Reply: Then it would be no different than if a pastry seller was selling two doughnuts and the customer just said: "I don't want and I don't like any of them. So whatever, I will just choose this one simply because it has a red frosting on it even though that red frosting is nothing I want or like either." Was the doughnut with the red frosting of good value and worth to this customer just simply because he/she has chosen it and nothing more? I don't think so! Furthermore, if this customer did not want and did not like anything whatsoever in his/her life, then he/she would of purchased that doughnut for no reason at all other than to "just do it." If he/she had no family that he/she wanted to feed, did not want or like this doughnut his/herself, then there would just be no reason for him/her to go into that store and purchase that doughnut. So people who do not want and do not like anything in their lives and just live their lives simply because they know it is the right (good) thing to do, then that would be no different than that customer who has just chosen the doughnut with red frosting for no reason. Those people would have just chosen to live and pursue their goals/dreams anyway for no reason. So I don't think that we could define that as having any good value and worth to us at all. There is just simply no way. It would have to mean that it would not bother us if things of good value and worth in our lives were to be taken away from us and it would have to mean that we would not be bothered if some criminal decided to make this world an awful place to live in. So for that customer to have just chosen that red doughnut for no reason other than to just do it would be no different than if a person has chosen to do something knowing that it was the right (good) thing to do who could not experience any wanting or liking towards that whatsoever. But if you think there is a reason for you to choose to do something that you thought was the right (good) thing to do even though you did not want that and did not like that and that this is supposed to somehow be different than the situation of the customer just choosing the red doughnut for no reason other than to "just do it," then you would be fooling yourself into wanting and liking to do that said deed that you judged to be good (right). The fact is, both the situation of that customer and the situation of a person choosing to do the right (good) thing even though he/she did not want and did not like that, these two situations are the same. They are both doing it nothing more than to just "do it." Both situations are nothing more than just preferences. The customer did nothing more than preferred the red doughnut and a person who did not want and did not like to do the right (good) thing did nothing more than preferred to do that said deed that he/she judged to be good. They are nothing more than the choosing of different stimuli. The customer has chosen the stimulus of the red doughnut while the other person has chosen the stimulus of doing a deed for the world. So with that being said, I don't think there is any way something can be of good value and worth to you and there is no way you can live a good life of worth without your wanting and liking (your pleasant emotions). Response: Your theory is all making sense to me now. Could it really be? Could there really be a scientific version of good and bad? My Reply: I am really thinking so! Imagine if you were locked in a room your whole entire life in which you could do absolutely nothing. I just don't think it would be possible for any normal human being to not lament, despair, and become frustrated over that. Not now and not ever. Unless somehow the person then later on wanted and liked to just sit there and do nothing with his/her life. So if he/she wanted and liked that, then that would now be of good value and worth to him/her. But as long as he/she does not want and does not like to just sit there and do nothing, then he/she would always lament and become frustrated since there would be something else that he/she wants and likes to do in life that he/she cannot do. The fact is, we want and we like to live our lives, pursue our goals and dreams, etc. That is what makes them of good value and worth to us. Our wanting and liking is hardwired into us. I don't think there is any normal human being out there who is fine just living life not wanting and not liking things in their lives and being fine with not deluding themselves into thinking they want and like things in their lives. The fact is, we always want and we always like and our brains always fool (delude) us into thinking we want and like things in our lives even while struggling with depression and/or anhedonia which prevents us from experiencing actual wanting and liking which would be our pleasant emotions. Response: So what would we say to a person who, for example, finds good value and worth in the pain and struggle of earning a trophy in which he/she experienced no pleasant feelings/emotions and took nothing but pain and misery for the team? My Reply: What we would say here is that once he/she earns the trophy and derives pleasant emotions from that, then this would be the moment of good value and worth to him/her. His/her life would be of good value and worth in that given moment. But during his/her moment of pain and misery, it would not matter what he/she told his/herself such as that he/she is doing it for the team and doing it for a trophy, that moment would be of no good value and worth to him/her and he/she would only be fooling (deluding) his/herself into thinking that this is a good moment of worth to him/her. Therefore, his/her pain and misery was all for nothing. It did nothing more than took away some of the good value and worth of his/her life. It did not make the trophy nor the team of any good value and worth to him/her during that moment of pain and misery. The fact is, if he/she had a pleasurable challenge instead of a painful/miserable challenge such as him/her being all joyful and happy while running through obstacles and gaining points for the team, then that is the only thing that would make the trophy and the team something of good value and worth to him/her. So it is only our pleasant emotions that make things of this life to be of good value and worth to us. Not our pain, misery, and struggles. So a famous and genius artist who has gone through much suffering and despair in which he/she has anhedonia and/or depression in order to create his/her works of art and share them to inspire the world, then that was nothing of any good value and worth either. It would only be of good value and worth to those other people since they could experience pleasant emotions from those works of art. But it can be of no good value and worth to this artist. His/her own genius works of art can be of no good value and worth to him/her and neither can him/her inspiring others around the world be of any good value and worth to him/her either. Therefore, I find it to be quite a mockery and an insult for other people to look at a suffering genius artist and for them to say that they lived a good life. It is deluded ignorant nonsense. Not only is that the mockery and insult, but the very fact that this artist has genius talents and that none of it can be of any good value and worth to this artist since he/she has no pleasant emotions, then this very way of life is a mockery and insult to this genius artist as well. I have highly gifted composing talents due to my autism in which I can create epic songs in my mind that I have yet to learn to actually produce. So this anhedonia and depression is also a mockery and insult to me as well since I am also denied the good value and worth from this life, my talents, and my composing dream. Response: So what does this mean then? Should the person who went through all that pain and misery to earn the trophy just give up? My Reply: Yes. Response: So a person in the military who puts his/herself through painful and miserable training to save our country should just give up and allow us all to be tortured and enslaved? My Reply: Yes. For the sake of his/her own life of good value and worth, he/she should just give up. He/she should of never enrolled in the military in the first place. It doesn't matter how much he/she chooses to focus on the good value and worth of the lives of others instead of his/herself, the fact remains that him/her saving his/her country and making the lives of others good and worth living has to be of good value and worth to him/her. In other words, he/she has to want to do that and like to do that. So he/she has to experience his/her pleasant emotions in doing so. Otherwise, it will be of no good value and worth to him/her and he/she would be doing nothing more than like that customer who has simply chosen the stimulus of the red doughnut. So instead of this life being a deluded cycle of moving forward in life despite our pain, struggles, misery, depression, and anhedonia, this life should instead be a cycle of giving up. A person should give up on training in the military to save us if it is only going to consist of pain and misery in any given moment. Once this person gives up and leaves us all with a life of torture and enslavement, then we should give up on our lives as well since our lives would then consist of much pain, misery, depression, and absence of pleasant emotions as well. If our lives and goals/dreams consist of much pain, struggles, depression, and anhedonia, then we should all just give up. Since the only thing that matters is our pleasant emotions and since they are the only things that can make things in this life of good value and worth to us, then our lives and goals/dreams are of no good value/worth to us and we should all just give up on them only until we can experience our pleasant emotions again. If we have depression and/or anhedonia that we have to live with most or our entire lives, then we should give up on life itself and end our lives. I have a great composing talent and I compose for the world of anime/videogames. The fact that I have this awesome talent and that none of it can be of any good value and worth to me even if I do those said things to make the lives of others good and worth living, then there is no point in doing it. Therefore, I should just end my life as well if I had to live most or my entire life with this depression and anhedonia. The only thing that can make this life and my composing talents good is if I am in a good mood (experiencing my pleasant emotions) while doing so and listening to my compositions. Otherwise, I am doing it all for no reason. Not only is this life for me filled with anhedonia and depression, but it is also filled with rage as well knowing that none of it can be of any good value and worth to me. So why live such a life and why pursue a goal or dream in such a way that it can have no good value and worth to you and only brings you rage and frustration? Response: So if a person had the choice to put his/herself through much pain and misery in order to save his/herself from a life of misery and possibly death, then which should he/she choose? Should he/she put his/herself through pain and misery or should he/she choose to live that life of pain and misery? My Reply: He/she should just give up either way. Both situations are hopeless scenarios. So he/she should just end his/her life. Response: But if you had the choice to put yourself through a moment of pain and misery right now in order to bring back all your pleasant emotions, would you do so? Furthermore, if your mother's life was in danger, would you not put yourself through a moment of pain and misery in order to save her life? My Reply: I would. But what I am doing here is just simply pointing out to you that it would be the thinking area of my brain fooling me into thinking that it is something of good value and worth to me. That I am wanting and liking to do that. But it was never true. No matter how much thoughts of empathy I have towards my mother and no matter how much I have the thought of wanting my pleasant emotions back, it would all still be a matter of the thinking area of my brain fooling me. Now as I said before, I would put myself through pain, misery, depression, and anhedonia if it meant saving my mother's life. But only if I could have my pleasant emotions back to me within a reasonable time frame. If I had to live most or my entire life with depression and/or anhedonia in order to save my mother's life, then I would not choose to save her life. Only if I get my pleasant emotions back to me within a reasonable time frame such as a few months or a year would I choose to save her life. Response: I see now. But don't you think that us fooling our brains into thinking we want and like things in our lives without our pleasant emotions actually makes our lives and things/people of this life of good and worth to us? Isn't the very act of fooling our brains in of itself is what makes our lives good and worth living? My Reply: No. If you said the statement without your pleasant emotions: "I want and like these things," then that would be a false statement. If you then said: "My life is good and worth living," then that is also a false statement. So the statement: "I want and like these things. Therefore, my life is good and worth living," then that whole statement would obviously be false. But if you were to add in: "I am fooling myself into thinking I want and like these things. Therefore, my life is good and worth living," then that would be false as well. Also, the phrase "I am fooling myself" just simply shows nothing more than the awareness of the false statement I presented earlier. It shows nothing more than the awareness that he/she is just tricking his/her brain and that his/her life is still nothing good. Therefore, this would not add any good value and worth to his/her life. It would be no different than if I first said the statement: "The Earth is flat." This is a false statement. If I then said from there: "I am going to fall off the Earth," then this would also be a false statement. So the statement: "The Earth is flat. Therefore, I am going to fall off the Earth," then this whole statement would be false. But if I were to then add in: "I am fooling myself into thinking the Earth is flat. Therefore, I am going to fall off the Earth," then this would obviously be a false statement as well. So no, there is nothing that can make your life good and worth living at all as long as you struggle with depression and/or anhedonia which turns off your reward system. Response: So what would you say in regards to all the famous and inspirational figures of history who have pushed on in life and have done great things in their lives despite all their pain, misery, depression, and anhedonia? My Reply: I would say that they and their lives were nothing great at all. The only thing that would make them great and the only thing that would make their talents of good value and worth to them would be if they experienced pleasant emotions from them. Response: I'm not sure, but I think you are just looking at things way too bleak. It is often intelligent people who deceive themselves. Even though everything you said to me seems almost absolutely convincing, I am just not so sure. I mean, surely there is more to life and being human than our pleasant emotions. Surely there is more to living a good life than our pleasant emotions. My Reply: No, I do not think so at all. Our pleasant emotions are all that we got to make us and our lives good and worth living. They are our only incentive for living as I pointed out earlier. There is something known as the pain/pleasure principle. We as human beings always want to experience pleasant emotions and to avoid pain, misery, and an absence of pleasant emotions. So the fact that we want and like pleasant emotions says that it is our pleasant emotions that are of good value and worth to us and make us and our lives good and worth living. It would then be our unpleasant feelings/emotions that are bad and make us and our lives bad. And, of course, having neither pleasant feelings/emotions nor unpleasant feelings/emotions would only render you and your life having neutral (neither good or bad) value and worth as I pointed out earlier. If our thoughts alone were enough to give good value and worth to us and our lives and were all that is needed to live a good life, then there would be no need for people to be trying to find a cure and better treatments for anhedonia, depression, suffering, mortality, and other mental disorders. They would instead say something such as: "All the suffering, depression, anhedonia, and mortality of this life does not matter. It does not take away the good value and worth of our lives whatsoever. Our thoughts are all that is needed to live a good life! The moral version of good is all that is needed to make our lives good and worth living! Therefore, there is just simply no need to try and find any cure or better treatments for those things." If all our thoughts alone were enough to make our lives good and worth living, then why is it that so many people who suffer and struggle with depression feel suicidal and wish to end their lives? Why is it that these types of people always tend to think that their lives are worthless and nothing good? I mean, there might be people out there who experience mostly pleasant emotions in their lives who feel suicidal and that their lives have no good value and worth since they have no struggles and depression to give their lives meaning. But these are the very very few people. Besides, they would only be deluding themselves here into thinking that their lives have less good meaning when, in fact, their pleasant emotions gave them all the good meaning in the world. If they felt unpleasant emotions from living this life of pleasure, then it would only be their unpleasant feelings/emotions that would be taking away the good value and worth of their lives. Their life of pleasure has never taken away any good value and worth from their lives whatsoever to begin with. But going back to my question as to why is it that so many people who struggle with suffering and depression feel suicical, the answer here would obviously be that those things take away the good value and worth of our lives. Depression as well as anhedonia turn off the perception of good meaning in our lives since that is what depression/anhedonia does--it turns off the survival aspect characteristics. Those survival aspect characteristics being us finding good meaning in our lives in pursuing our goals/dreams and in living to help others. Most people who struggle with severe depression can hardly function. Even if they were to choose to pursue their goals/dreams and help others in life anyway, they are all down and depressed and severely crippled while doing so and they are not perceiving any good meaning in their lives in doing so. So how is that any sort of good life? Depression instead turns on the problem solving aspect characteristics since depression is the result of something wrong in our lives whether it be a life issue or a problem with the brain such as a chemical imbalance or mental defect. It turns on the perception of bad value and bad worth in our lives and turns off the perception of good meaning and good worth in our lives. Therefore, it would not make any sense whatsoever for you to say that your depression and/or anhedonia has brought good meaning to your life. Even if they made you grow as a person and more empathetic towards others suffering, it would not make any sense to say that those things have brought you good value and worth in your life. It is only during moments where you experience pleasant emotions that you would be perceiving good meaning in your life. Our perception of good value and worth obviously being our pleasant emotions and our perception of bad value and bad worth obviously being our unpleasant feelings/emotions. Now going back to the pain/pleasure principle, not only do we want and like to have pleasant emotions in our lives and wish to avoid suffering and an absence of pleasant emotions, but we would also want and like others to experience their pleasant emotions and wish for them to not have suffering or an absence of pleasant emotions in their lives as well. If our pleasant emotions did not give good value and worth to our lives and it is only the moral version of good that gives good value and worth to our lives, then people would not care if a person struggled with depression. Even if this person struggled with the most severe and crippling depression, then we would all just simply say to this person: "Nothing to worry about here. No need to help you. The moral version of good is all that is needed to make your life something good and worth living. If you think that your life is something good and worth living, then it will make it so. Just simply stop using your moral value judgments in judging your life as having bad value and bad worth since you struggle with this severe depression. All you need to do is just switch your thinking over to judging your life as being something good and it will make it so. There is nothing bad and it does not make your life bad at all if you were to be severely crippled by your depression to the point where you can hardly function at all in pursuing your goals/dreams and living for others. No scientific version of bad here! No scientific version of good here either! The moral version of good is all that is needed to live a good life!" So you can see why I think it is nonsense for the moral version of good to somehow make our lives good. I am thinking that it is only the scientific version of good that makes our lives good. After all, it is our sense of reward that drives and motivates us in life. Our pleasant emotions are the only incentive an animal (in this case, a human being) has. Response: Quick question. You are depressed about your loss of pleasant emotions, aren't you? You are already wanting your pleasant emotions back. So your depression would be a form of wanting. Albeit, a form of wanting that makes your life bad. But doesn't this also say that the idea of having your pleasant emotions is of good value and worth to you as well? Doesn't this also say that we can have good value and worth in our lives without our pleasant emotions? My Reply: First off, yes, I am depressed about my loss of pleasant emotions. But the idea of me having my pleasant emotions back still cannot be of any good value and worth to me. It is only the situation of me having lost my pleasant emotions that is causing me the depression. So that is the situation that is having bad value and bad worth to me. That is the situation that my depression is urging me to solve. The situation of me having my pleasant emotions back can only be of neutral value and worth to me since I am not experiencing any pleasant emotions from that idea. But by me being depressed about this loss, that would be my brain fooling me into thinking I want and like to have my pleasant emotions when I am not since I cannot experience any wanting and liking. Even the idea that I wanted and liked to have my pleasant emotions in the past is my brain's way of fooling me right now into thinking I want and like them right now when that was never true. Therefore, it was of good value and worth to me back then. But it cannot be of any good value and worth to me now. I also said that it would be a mental disorder to be fine living your life having nothing good in your life without deluding yourself into thinking your life is still good and worth living. So wouldn't it be a mental disorder for someone to not be enraged or depressed when they lose something good in their lives? I'm not sure on this one. I'm not even sure if it would be a mental disorder for someone to be fine living a life of no good value without deluding themselves into thinking they have good things in their lives. To me, that would really sound like a mental disorder since that is just not how we normally function as human beings. But then again, I could be wrong. I'm not sure. Response: Let's assume that your whole theory really is true. If you were to share your theory to the whole entire world, what would be your final and absolute message to the world? My Reply: My message to the world would be that it is time for a new age. A new age of good and bad. It is all time we stop living this deluded nonsensical moral lie. The moral version of good and bad is obselete and needs to be thrown away. It is now time to move onto a better world. An eternal blissful life of no more suffering is the only life we as human beings have to look forward to since it is our only incentive for living. So we must find a way through science to create that better world in the future. But as of now though, we as human beings think that it is us helping others and such in despite of the most painful and crippling struggles that makes our lives good and worth living and that if we think that our lives are good and worth living even despite the most crippling of struggles, then that makes it so. That is nonsense. There is a sacred heavenly transcended power that these people are unaware of. It is the only thing that makes us and our lives good and worth living. It would be our reward system (our pleasant emotions). It is the scientific version of good. This is the good of the future. Therefore, instead of us as human beings living our lives and helping others without our pleasant emotions due to depression and/or anhedonia as though that is the thing that makes us and our lives good and worth living which is primitive and outdated, it is time for science to create highly advanced functional reward systems for us as human beings and implant them in our brains. It is instead time for us as human beings to live to help others and pursue our goals and dreams relying on our new highly advanced reward systems. It would be a highly new advanced futuristic and scientific version of good we would be living by in the future. But the reward system we all have now is so fragile and so prone to malfunction due to mental illness. For example, people with schizophrenia have anhedonia as the result of the malfunctioning of their reward system. People have anhedonia as the result of the malfunctioning of other brain regions as well. Therefore, we need highly advanced and functional brains that are no longer prone to malfunction. Since our reward system is the only important (good) function of our brains while all other functions are just simply neccessary to sustain life, then it is our reward system that should be the one and only main focus while all other brain regions are secondary. But still should be the regions of focus, obviously. Because without those other functions, then it just wouldn't work out. Perhaps one day science will come up with a project named "Project Eternal Bliss" where we create an eternal blissful life of no more suffering through science in the future and resurrect people such as me who have missed out on the only greatest life and have me and others live this new eternal blissful life. Even though I know virtually nothing about science, I am just going to throw an idea out here as to how we can live an eternal blissful life in the future and how we can be resurrected. You are free to tell me if what I am saying is flawed and false. We would first find a way for us to regenerate so that if we get injured or somehow torn to bits, then we would be able to fully regenerate again. Second, we would have to find a cure for old age so that we can live forever. Third, the functions of our brains that give us unpleasant feelings/emotions would have to be disabled so that we can no longer experience anymore depression or panic disorder. So that would cure all suffering right there since suffering can only be our unpleasant feelings/emotions. As for resurrection, we would have to build some sort of giant computer (a super computer). All atoms and particles that exist here on Earth would all have to have some sort of connection to this supercomputer in which they can give feedback to this supercomputer and the supercomputer can control them as well. A template of a human life form would have to be created on this super computer. This template can achieve all possible different combinations of living people. This template can combine all atoms and particles in all possible different ways to create all different possible types of people. There would then have to be a program that initiates this process. Once the enter key is pressed, that would then be able to combine all the different atoms and particles here on Earth to create all different possible types of people. One of these people might turn out to be me. All the atoms and particles that made me alive in the first place (which have all been scattered across the Earth after my death) would all be put back together to make me alive again. But since there is no way all possible human beings can fit on this Earth, then we would have to put what has been created by the supercomputer so far in another universe. But I will stop here. This is because it will get too complicated from here.

I apologize. I was unaware of this. Therefore, I am going to present to you the last two sections which are the most important. Here is section 1: Last Additional Vital Point To My Scientific Theory On Good And Bad: The Customer's Life Lesson Of Truth Taught To The Wise Old Salesman Now I am going to add one last thing here. It is one last imagined conversation between me and another person: Response: What if you overheard Robert Sapolsky wrong? What if there really is a form of wanting and liking through our thoughts alone without our reward system? My Reply: Although I am sure Robert Sapolsky said that wanting and liking can only come from our pleasant emotions, I cannot be absolutely sure. Response: Let's pretend that there is a form of wanting and liking through our thoughts alone then. If that were so, then we could really have good value and worth in our lives. My Reply: We still couldn't. This is because they are not the rewarding version of wanting and liking which can only come from our reward system (our pleasant emotions). So it is not the wanting and liking that makes our lives good and worth living. It is our rewarding experiences (our pleasant emotions). Response: You still insist that it is only our rewarding experiences that can make our lives good and worth living. But I do not agree with it. Could you please support your assertion. My Reply: It can only be our optimistic experiences that make our lives good and worth living. For example, what we know now is that a good thought is always an optimistic thought. So we would refer to it as an optimistic experience that makes things in this life of good value and worth to us. For example, if there was no optimism in our good thoughts of wanting and liking things in this life, then it would be no different than a neutral thought or a bad thought. The neutral thought of wanting and liking things would be no different than simply looking at a bunch of objects and saying in a monotonous tone: "I want this object here and this object there and I like the position these objects are in." The bad thought of wanting something would be if you said something in an angry tone such as: "I want this gone out of my life now!" And, of course, the good thought of wanting and liking something would be something such as: "Wow, I really want this and I really like this!" But as we also know, our pleasant emotions are also optimistic experiences as well. They are optimistic experiences since they are rewarding experiences. They are optimistic urges. But since our thoughts alone cannot be rewarding experiences and can't be urges, then our thoughts alone cannot be optimistic experiences. Therefore, our thoughts alone cannot make our lives good and worth living. Response: Nonsense. Our thoughts alone can very well be optimistic experiences and it has nothing to do with them being any sort of rewarding experience or urge. Even if they couldn't be optimistic experiences, all we need in our lives to make things in this life good and of worth to us would just be through the version of wanting and liking through our thinking alone. My Reply: I am going to post an imagined conversation between a salesman selling items to a customer who has no rewarding experience whatsoever regarding these items. I am posting this imagined conversation just to get my point across since it is vital to do it this way: Salesman's Response: "I have these two amazing items I wish to sell to you, sir!" Customer's Response: "I don't care about any of them. They do not catch my interest. They are nothing rewarding to me. I have no rewarding experience whatsoever regarding them." Salesman's Response: "Please, sir. I insist that you choose one and purchase it." Customer's Response: "Fine. I want this one and I like this one even though it is not any rewarding experience of wanting and liking for me whatsoever." Salesman's Response: "Thank you, sir. I am sure you will find this item to be of quite good value and worth to you anyway even though you have no rewarding experience regarding it." *After the customer purchases the item and takes it home with him, a thief comes in and steals it. The customer and the salesman then meet again the next day.* Salesman's Response: "How do you like your item? Isn't of good value and worth to you?" Customer's Response: "A thief came in and stole it from me. But I am not lamenting that loss one bit. So that item had no good value and worth to me. If this item did have good value and worth to me, then it would of been a rewarding experience for me and, thus, I would lament or I would become frustrated and enraged over that loss." Salesman's Response: "So it seems to me you had nothing but a neutral (neither good or bad) thought regarding that item. So if there is some good value and worth that the item itself possesses, it would not exist to you. So I guess my item really was nothing of good value and worth to you then." Customer's Response: "Correct." Salesman's Response: "So let me sell you a new item. I will now put it up on the shelf right now. Here it is. How do you like it now?" Customer's Response: "Wow, this is a really great item! I really want it and I really like it! But..." Salesman's Response: "What's wrong, sir?" Customer's Response: "I cannot get any rewarding experience from this item either since I have a mental condition known as "anhedonia" which turns off the reward system and prevents any experience of pleasant emotions." Salesman's Response: "But you have a thought of good value and worth towards this item, do you not?" Customer's Response: "Yes." Salesman's Response: "Then it's the thought that counts. I am quite sure you will find this new item to be of good value and worth to you even though it can't be a rewarding experience for you. So that is what I will leave you with now. Return back to me the next day and tell me just how much good value and worth this item is of to you! But one last thing. Subdue that thief once and for all out of your life. He is no good for you!" *The customer then returns back home with this new item only to have that item stolen as well by the thief. The customer then returns the next day to the salesman.* Salesman's Response: "How's that item, sir? The thief didn't take it, did he?" Customer's Response: "He did. This time around, I did lament and became quite frustrated over that loss." Salesman's Response: "Which just shows how much good value and worth this item had to you. Let me reveal something unto thee. I have contrived the situation of the thief and my salesmanship to teach you a very valuable life lesson. I overheard from others in my village that you think of things in this life to be of no good value and worth to you since you cannot derive any rewarding experience from those things. And so I have taught you the difference between a neutral thought that is not rewarding and a good thought that is not rewarding. Even though they are both not rewarding experiences to you, the good thought of wanting and liking clearly gave your life good value and worth from that item since you lamented and became frustrated over its loss. Otherwise, you would of never lamented and you would of never became frustrated." Customer's Response: "That's where you are wrong." Salesman's Response: "You wanted and liked that item and you had a good thought regarding that item even though you could not get any rewarding experience from it. How is the item not of any good value and worth to you then?" Customer's Response: "By having the good thought of wanting and liking that object, that is fooling my brain into thinking I am having a rewarding experience from this object when I wasn't. Even if I told myself that I am not having any rewarding experience whatsoever and that I am just having the good thought of wanting and liking that object, that is still fooling my brain into thinking it is a rewarding experience for me. I mean, the simple fact of the matter all comes down to that if something is rewarding to you and you lose it, then you will lament and become frustrated over it. But if something was not rewarding to you and you lost it, then you would not lament and become frustrated over it. So the fact that I did lament and became frustrated over the loss of that item even though I did not get any rewarding experience from it, this obviously says that my thinking area of my brain was fooling me into thinking it was a rewarding experience for me. So the very act of me truly thinking that the item was good and of worth to me would be me fooling myself into thinking it is a rewarding experience for me. The thinking area of our brains always tends to fool us as human beings and it is completely natural for it to do so. Even despite the fact that I am already convinced that our lives can have no good value and worth without our pleasant emotions, the thinking area of my brain still easily fools me at times such as with that item I had. So without our pleasant emotions, we should not even describe other things in this life as being perceived as having good value and worth to us. Doing so will only fool the brain into thinking it is a rewarding experience for you when it is not. So that being the case, our thoughts of good value and worth towards things in this life without our pleasant emotions should not even be referred to as thoughts that give good value and worth to our lives. They should instead be referred to as thoughts of stimuli that are perceived as promoting our survival. The thinking area of our brains always tends to fool us like I said before. For example, if a person were to have no ability to experience fear and he/she encountered a frightening situation, then he/she might very well say that it was still a frightening experience for him/her without his/her ability to experience the unpleasant emotion known as "fear." But our thoughts alone cannot experience fear. They can only experience different thoughts just as how our hearing and sight cannot experience fear either. They can only experience different heard sounds and perceived images. Therefore, this would not of even been a frightening experience for this person at all and it would just be a matter of his/her thinking area of his/her brain fooling him/her into thinking it was a frightening experience when it really wasn't. So I am now going to present an experiment and later reveal how it really is only our rewarding experiences (our pleasant emotions) that can make our lives good and worth living. So here is another experiment to be performed. This one is the best experiment to be performed. Have two groups of people with anhedonia (absence of pleasure) who think that things in this life can be of no good value and worth to them. Give things to one group that gets them further in life which are things they think are a rewarding experience for them, but are of no good value or worth to them. These are the types of people who would say something such as: "This is a very rewarding experience for me. I will take these things even though they don't have any good value and worth to me." As for the other group, give things to them that they think are not a rewarding experience for them, but are things that can get them further in life (promote their survival) that they have an optimistic attitude towards. These are the types of people who are just as optimistic as the former group. They would say something such as: "I will go ahead and take these things. They are not rewarding experiences for me and neither can they be of any good value and worth to me, but I have an optimistic attitude and perception towards them and I will take them anyway." They would have an optimistic thought towards those things which would be a thought that would send the pleasure signal. But, of course, no pleasure signal can be sent to their brains since they have anhedonia. From there, take away the things from the former group who thought those things were rewarding experiences for them and they will lament and become frustrated over that loss. But take away the things from the latter group, and they will not lament or become frustrated over that loss. Or, at least, that is what I am thinking will happen. If the former group does not lament and become frustrated over their loss, then they would of fooled themselves into thinking that it was a rewarding experience for them when it wasn't. If the latter group laments and becomes frustrated over that loss, then they would of fooled themselves into thinking it wasn't a rewarding experience for them when it really was. Now I pointed out earlier that our reward system is the only thing that can give us a rewarding experience and that people who become frustrated and lament over losses in their lives without their pleasant feelings/emotions are only fooling themselves into thinking they were having rewarding experiences regarding those things. So that being the case, then how is it that the former group does not lament and become frustrated then? The answer here would be that there are two ways in which you can fool yourself. For example, one way would be when you are just thinking something is true, but not actually giving into that thought. Another way would be actually thinking it as true. Therefore, if the former group does not lament and become frustrated, then they would of not given into their thinking that they were having a rewarding experience. Rather, they were just simply thinking it. Same thing applies for the latter group. They were not giving into their thinking that they were not having a rewarding experience. So people who think things are good and worth living for in their lives and do not lament and do not become frustrated over the loss of those said things, then they were just simply thinking that their lives were good and worth living. But they were not genuinely thinking those things to be of good value and worth to them. Now continuing on here. Let me put something here as a little side note as well. If you did not want, did not like, and neither was it a rewarding experience for you and you thought it was of good value and worth to you, then if you were to lose that said thing and you were to lament and become frustrated, then I do not see how something that you do not want, do not like, and isn't a rewarding experience for you can be of good value and worth to you. If there was no optimistic want, need, psychological dependency, like, rewarding experience, etc., then I do not see how that could of been of any good value and worth to you. The only explanation as to why it is that you have lamented and have become frustrated over that loss would be because by saying that it was of good value and worth to you anyway, that would actually be telling your brain that you want it, you like it, and that it is a rewarding experience for you. So your descriptions of not wanting it, not liking it, and it not being a rewarding experience for you would be false here. So back to the two groups. The people who thought it was a rewarding experience actually thought it was something good and of worth to them while the people who thought that it wasn't a rewarding experience thought that it was nothing good. But both groups had an optimistic thought regarding those objects which would be a thought that would send the pleasure signal. But the fact that one group lamented while the other didn't, then this would have to mean that it is only us thinking that things are rewarding experiences for us in this life that delude us into thinking that things have good value and worth to us in life. So since something can only be of good value and worth to us if it is an actual rewarding experience for us, then this obviously means that it is only our reward system (pleasant emotions) that can make our lives good and worth living to us. So with that being said, if someone were to say something such as: "This is a rewarding experience for me even though it is of no good value and worth to me," then this would be no different than saying: "This is of good value and worth to me even though it is of no good value and worth to me." So that statement is false (contradictory). It would have to be our rewarding experiences that make things in this life of good value and worth to us. Therefore... Rewarding Experience=Good Now if someone were to say something such as: "I wanted this and I liked this even though it is of no good value and worth to me," then this would be no different than saying: "This is of good value and worth to me even though it is of no good value and worth to me." This statement is false as well. Therefore... Wanting/Liking=Good Now if someone were to say something such as: "This is important to me even though it is of no good value and worth to me," then this would also be no different than saying: "This is of good value and worth to me even though it is of no good value and worth to me." So this statement is false. Therefore... Important=Good So with that being said, if a person were to say something such as: "I wanted this, liked this, it was something important to me, and it was of good value and worth to me even though it was not a rewarding experience for me," then this would be no different than saying: "This is of good value and worth to me (I wanted it and liked it), it was something of good value and worth to me (it was something important to me), and it was of good value and worth to me even though it was nothing of good value and worth to me (it wasn't a rewarding experience for me)." This quoted statement would be false. The only way to make the quoted statement true would be to say instead that it was a rewarding experience. That, or to say that you did not want it and did not like it, that it was nothing important to you, and that it was nothing of good value and worth to you. Therefore, it is only our rewarding version of wanting and liking (our pleasant emotions) that can give good value and worth to our lives. So if there is something you want and like in this life, then that is not enough to make it of good value and worth to you. It also has to be something important to you and has to be a rewarding experience for you as well. But if I were to just say that it was something I wanted, liked, and that it was a rewarding experience for me, but that it was nothing important to me, then this is false. If something has any significance (importance) to us, then we will experience pleasant emotions from it. If something is a rewarding experience for us, then we want it and we like it. It also means that it is something important to us. It would mean that something is of good value and worth to us." Salesman's Response: "There must be some sort of mistake, sir. I am a wise old man who has learned much wisdom throughout my travels. I have been teaching many people the value of life and the good life that can still be had even during the most dire of hardships and struggles." Customer's Response: "Well, you have been taught wrong then." Salesman's Response: "You are saying my teachings are false. But it is often those who reject them who are only decieving themselves." Customer's Response: "Listen to this valuable life lesson of truth that I am going to teach unto thee: Our pleasant emotions are like a heavenly transcended sacred sense. Our reward system senses the good value, worth, beauty, greatness, awesomness, etc. of this life and universe just like how our sight and hearing senses visuals and sounds. When we eat a sweet candy and it tastes good to us, that is our reward system sensing the goodness of that piece of candy. It is our reward system that makes that piece of candy taste good because if it weren't for our reward system, then it would not taste good anymore. It would taste bland. But without our good taste, then we can tell ourselves all we want that this piece of candy still tastes good. But that will never make it taste good. So in that same sense, our pleasant emotions would be our reward system sensing the goodness of this life and universe instead of a piece of candy. Our pleasant emotions are something far more greater and profound than just some pleasant sensation such as a good taste or a good smell. Our pleasant emotions are sacred and transcending since they are what we live off of in order to make our goals/dreams something good and of worth to us, music something of profound goodness to us, etc. Without our pleasant emotions due to depression and/or anhedonia which turns off our reward system and prevents the experience of pleasant emotions, then we can tell ourselves all we want that this life, universe, and other things in this life are still of good value and worth to us. But that will never make them of any good value and worth to us. They would all be like that bland-tasting piece of candy. To say that this life can still be of good value and worth to you if you struggle with depression and/or anhedonia would be no different than saying that a foul-tasting food still tastes good to you and that a bland-tasting food still tastes good to you. So you would only be just lying, fooling, and deluding yourself here. Messages of our survival being promoted send a signal to our reward system. These messages get translated into the experience (perception) of good value and worth in our lives which would be our pleasant emotions just as how vibrations in the air and light get sent to the brain and are translated into actual hearing and sight. So if you eat a sweet tasty piece of candy, messages of survival promotion get sent to your reward system which allows the taste of that piece of candy to be perceived as something good and of worth. Our thoughts alone in of themselves are the messages of our survival being perceived as promoted which sends a pleasure signal to our reward system, perceived as being hindered/threatened which sends a displeasure signal, or perceived as being neither which neither sends a pleasure or displeasure signal. But they are nothing more than that at this stage. Our thoughts alone in of themselves do not allow us to perceive good value and worth in this life just yet. So if you were to struggle with anhedonia and/or depression which turns off the reward system and prevents the experience of pleasant emotions, then thoughts of your life having good value and worth to you cannot make this life nor anything else in this life including your own family of any good value and worth to you. They would just simply be the spoken words and phrases "good" and "worth" and nothing more. It would be no different than if I was blind and told myself that I can still perceive the light given off by objects. That I can still perceive sight in my life. That I can have sight in my life. I wouldn't. I would just be doing nothing more than telling myself words and phrases. So as long as our reward system is turned off due to depression and/or anhedonia, then we have become blind. But in a different way. We have become blind to perceiving the good value and worth from this life. We cannot have good value and worth in our lives here. But once our reward system turns back on when our depression and/or anhedonia passes, then once our thoughts send the signal to our reward system and give us the experience of pleasant emotions, then that is when our lives and things in this life can be of good value and worth to us since we would now be able to perceive good value and worth towards those said things. Therefore, our pleasant emotions are like a sacred transcending heavenly energy (life force) that courses through us and transcends us. We need them in order to make us good people and our lives good and worth living. Without them, then we and our lives are stripped to nothing. It then would not matter how much we help others in this life, how much intelligence and creativity we have, how much things we do in this life, etc. It would all be nothing to us and we would still be nothing more than like lifeless walking drones. Here again, to somehow think your life can still be good and worth living anyway here would be false and delusional. You would only be fooling (deluding) yourself here. Furthermore, if you were to experience pleasant emotions and you were to judge them as being bad or neutral and that it is instead other things in this life that have the good value and worth for us besides our pleasant emotions, then you would be deluding yourself here as well. Your thinking would be deluding yourself from the truth here. That truth being that our pleasant emotions are a sacred transcending life force (energy) and are the only things that can make us and our lives good and worth living. So good is something scientific and not a moral (personal value judgment). The moral version of good cannot make us and our lives good and worth living. Good comes from our experience of pleasant feelings/emotions. Bad is also scientific. It comes from our unpleasant feelings/emotions. Having neither pleasant nor unpleasant feelings/emotions would make you and your life neutral (neither good or bad). So the moral version of good and bad is false (fake) as I've said before and is a deluded lie passed down unto humanity. Therefore, your teachings of what makes a valuable life good and worth living was all a deluded lie this whole entire time and you never even knew it. Our pleasant emotions are a sacred heavenly transcending energy. So they would be heaven. But our unpleasant feelings/emotions are like hell. Depression (hopelessness) being the worst of them all. Our brains have the ablity to perceive bad value and bad worth which would only be through our unpleasant feelings/emotions. So if you struggle with depression, then your life has the worst bad value bad worth. But having neither pleasant nor unpleasant feelings/emotions would neither be heaven nor hell. It would be like limbo. So with all of this being said, you can see why I am so unaccepting and pessimistic towards the suffering, depression, anhedonia, problems, and mortality of this life. You can see why I cannot have any optimistic attitude here of my life still being good and worth living despite my anhedonia and depression. I refuse to have my life brought down by depression and anhedonia. I need to be always up and running like a powerful awesome intangible deity who can never suffer, never have problems, never has depression or anhedonia, and can live in eternal bliss. That is the only life worth living to me and is the only life that gives me good meaning and worth. If I could somehow be resurrected through science in the future to live such an eternal blissful life, then I could compose like never before and my compositions would be of epic magnitude since they would now have inspiration to them. They would now have the inspiration of the heavenly sacred transcending life force which would be my pleasant emotions. I could use that inspiration to create compositions of all types whether they be gothic, dark, beautiful, joyful, etc. Those compositions would then give me a transcending sense of good value and worth (my pleasant emotions) which would, in turn, inspire more and more compositions to be created. So it would be a cycle here in which I become a greater and greater composer and compose more and more greater compositions while getting more and more transcending good value and worth from them and this life which would be me experiencing pleasant emotions from them and from this life. But now that I have lost all my pleasant emotions, that cycle has been broken. I am now doing nothing more than composing like a lifeless drone for a possible future in which I could recover from this anhedonia and have my pleasant emotions back to me. It is only then would I be able to create great compositions since they would be inspired. Sure, I could create great compositions from just my intelligence, knowledge, and creativity alone without my pleasant emotions. But first off, I would not be able to get any good value and worth from that at all. Second, they still would be nowhere near as great compared to if I did have my pleasant emotions (my inspiration). So with this also being said, the depression and anhedonia (suffering/absence of pleasure) of this life will not have me and my composing dream. If I had to live most or my entire life having depression and/or anhedonia in the pretend imagined situation, then I would end my life so that those said things cannot have me, my life, and my composing dream. I do not accept them and I do not live with them. I mean, who could possibly accept and live with having a life that is nothing good and worth living to them at all? So the only greatest life for me to look forward to now would be an eternal blissful life of no more suffering created by science in the future and have science resurrect me to live that one and only greatest life to me. That is, if it is even possible for science to do this. Science has been achieving many feats that many people thought were impossible in the past. So maybe science can also find a way to create an eternal blissful life for us all and to resurrect those who have missed out on such a life and have them live this new life. So now I have taught unto you a life lesson of truth. It is a truth that no one is yet aware of. Everyone is still deluded into thinking that the moral version of good and bad still makes them and their lives good and bad when it is all a deluded lie. So spread the word to all the villagers and to everyone across the world. Teach them this life lesson of truth. Only then one day the world would perhaps realize this truth and it would change all of humanity and how we all think. It would really encourage scientists all around the world to find a cure for suffering, depression, anhedonia, and mortality like never before knowing that our pleasant emotions (our reward system) is all that we have to make our lives good and worth living to us." Salesman's Response: "..." *The salesman is now at a complete loss of words. The teachings of this fellow customer are just simply unheard of. The salesman and the customer depart and go about their own ways of life. But the salesman inquires of all the wisest of villagers. But even they are at a complete loss of words.* Response: I see now. That whole situation of the customer and salesman has opened my eyes to the now very likely truth. My Reply: But we can't say for sure yet whether it is true or not even though I am absolutely convinced of it. I am still on the quest for truth here and I am still trying to find the answer here as to whether my whole theory on good and bad is true or not. Response: Then I hope someday you find the answer young man. If you ever find the answer, please share the word of truth to me and others. My Reply: I will. As for now though, no one should say that my theory is true or false just yet just as I should not say my theory is true or false yet either. We should all instead keep an open mind on my theory until one day the truth can be discovered. There were plently of things that people thought were nonsense in the past. But as it turned out, those things were proven true through science later on. So maybe my theory is true as well regardless of how much others disagree with it. But then again, maybe my theory is false. We don't know yet. We just all have to wait until the day the truth arrives.

I have written an entire book on this very subject. It explains everything as to why the moral version of good and bad is fake. Go ahead and read the last two sections of my book since they are the most interesting. You have a story between a customer who teaches a wise old salesman a life lesson of truth that he has never heard before. This story gets my point across. After that, you have the last section which gets my point across as well. Those sections are titled in big underlined bolded words.

I mean, if there is little to no scientific support for that quote being true that I deemed as nonsense, then you shouldn't say that my theory is nonsense. You should keep an open mind on it. However, I should also keep an open mind on the possibility of the moral version of good and bad being real regardless of how much I don't like it.

Well, let me ask for your evidence of that quote that I deemed to be nonsense. Is there actually much scientific support for that quote being true?

First off, I gave that nonsensical quote of: "Yipee! Your life is so wonderful since you told yourself that your life was great! Forget the fact that you were on the brink of suicide and were hardly able to function! Your life was so wonderful!" This, right here, is the deluded mocking/insulting ignorant blatant lie that is the moral version of good. It would be no different than telling a person with Parkinson's or a stroke: "Yipee! You can still fully function mentally because you told yourself you can!" It would also be no different than telling a blind and deaf person: "Yipee! You can still see and hear since you told yourself you can!" The fact is, there has to be a scientific version of good and bad that humanity and science is currently unaware of. It would have to be our good moods (pleasant emotions) that are the scientific version of good and it would have to be our unpleasant feelings/emotions (such as depression) that would be the scientific version of bad. Second, The moral version of good and bad says: "How you feel is nothing important. It is nothing good or bad in of itself. It is all about your thinking. Just simply change your thinking and you can live a life that has good meaning." I find that quote to be a mocking insult to me. It is ignorant deluded nonsense towards the person's depression and suffering. Really, if depression and all the suffering (unpleasant feelings/emotions) were nothing bad, then why are there so many people trying to find better treatments and cures for it? It should all just be a matter of changing one's thinking, acts, and way of life and nothing more. When we look at a severely crippled depressed person and feel sadness and grief over him/her, would it just simply be nothing more than because he/she has a pessimistic mode of thought towards life? No! It is instead because he/she is going through so much suffering. He/she has a crippling experience of an unpleasant feeling/emotion that gives nothing but bad and horrible meaning to his/her life that is known as depression. Therefore, depression in of itself has to be bad and it has nothing to do with our way of thinking. It is the scientific version of bad. The opposite would be the scientific version of good which would be our pleasant feelings/emotions. And, of course, having neither pleasant nor unpleasant feelings/emotions would only render you and your life having neutral (neither good or bad) value and worth.

No excuse here. This is because I have given a rational and valid basis for my theory which would be my explanation as to why the moral version of good and bad is a mocking/insulting lie towards people who struggle with depression such as me. Someday, I wish to have my theory tested somehow.

I would like to add one more thing here. The reason why there is currently no evidence to support my theory would be because we currently have no way to test my theory and, thus, there is no current evidence to support my theory. At least, that is what I am thinking is going on here. But maybe in the future my theory can be tested and have evidence for it. Or maybe there is actually a way to test my theory out now. Who knows. But share this theory to scientists all around the world and to everyone on this planet so they can all keep an open mind to it.

I don't know of any evidence since I am not a scientist myself and am unaware of the evidence that exists in this world. But I do have a rational and valid basis as to why which would be everything I explained about how the moral version of good and bad is a mocking/insulting lie towards people such as me who struggle with depression and anhedonia.

I am psychotically enraged and I am on the mission here to destroy the moral version of good and bad since it has mocked and insulted me long enough. It is deluded ignorant nonsense to say to a severely crippled depressed person that he/she can still have good meaning in his/her life. The moral version of good says that if we personally judge our lives to have good meaning through our thoughts, then that will make it so. But this is nonsense because this would mean that we could go up to a severely crippled depressed person and say in a joyful/excited tone: "Yipee! Your life is so wonderful since you told yourself that your life was great! Forget the fact that you were on the brink of suicide and were hardly able to function! Your life was so wonderful!" This, right here, is the deluded mocking/insulting ignorant blatant lie that is the moral version of good. Is there any scientific evidence supporting that nonsensical quote? I don't think so! So that being the case, the moral version of good and bad would really have to be fake then. My theory might not have evidence either. So this is the point where we should both keep an open mind here. That quoted message would be no different than telling a person with Parkinson's or a stroke: "Yipee! You can still fully function mentally because you told yourself you can!" It would also be no different than telling a blind and deaf person: "Yipee! You can still see and hear since you told yourself you can!" The fact is, there has to be a scientific version of good and bad that humanity and science is currently unaware of. It would have to be our good moods (pleasant emotions) that are the scientific version of good and it would have to be our unpleasant feelings/emotions (such as depression) that would be the scientific version of bad. Good and bad would have to be senses like sight, hearing, and smell. So they are scientific terms like sight, hearing, and smell. Just as how a blind and deaf person cannot give his/herself sight and hearing through his/her thoughts alone, we cannot give our lives any good or bad meaning either without our pleasant/unpleasant feelings/emotions. If you were to say the phrase: "My life is nothing but hopeless," then that would be no different than saying: "My life is nothing but bad and has no good meaning." Therefore, since depression is a feeling of hopelessness, then if you were to struggle with depression, then you would feel that your life is nothing but bad. Here again, thoughts of our family and such still giving our lives good meaning during our depression won't give our lives any good meaning since we don't have our actual sense of good meaning which would be our pleasant emotions (our reward system). In conclusion, I myself struggle with depression and anhedonia (absence of all my pleasant emotions). This moral version of good and bad is a deluded and mocking/insulting lie towards people such as me who struggle with these illnesses. It is time we destroy this moral lie and instead create a better life. An eternal blissful life of no more suffering, depression, and anhedonia created by science in the future and have people such as me who have missed out resurrected so we can live this life. We would create this eternal blissful life based upon the scientific version of good and bad since scientists would be encouraged like never before to find cures and treatments knowing that our pleasant emotions are all that we have in our lives to make us good people and our lives good. The scientific version of good and bad is different than the moral version of good and bad. It is a feeling/emotional version of good and bad and is not any moral or any other version of good and bad. I realize that science has no moral lessons to teach us. So you might say that there is no scientific version of good and bad. Like I said before, morality is not the same thing as good and bad. So it would no longer be morality. We would instead have to refer to it as something different. We would instead have to refer to it as us interacting and socializing as human beings and nothing more. Good and bad would instead have to be something completely different. It would have to be the scientific version of good and bad which would be the feeling/emotional version of good and bad. Any foolish acts that result from our pleasant emotional experiences would no longer be referred to as "bad." If you fight for your family, then that would not be anything good as long as you did not derive any pleasant emotions from doing so. It would just simply be referred to as you solving a problem that hinders or threatens the survival of your family. "You" refers to "your conscious" since that is what makes you "you" and is what makes you alive in the first place. Therefore, it can only be your experience of pleasant feelings/emotions that would make you a good person and it can only be your experience of unpleasant feelings/emotions that make you a bad person. So with that being said, a depressed person who chooses to help others all around the world would be a bad person with nothing but a bad life. But a sociopath such as Hitler who derives pleasant emotions from harming innocent people would be a good person with a good life. But the moral version of good would say that if someone is a morally good person, that we would admire and compliment him/her. If someone is a morally bad person, then we would have scorn and detest towards him/her. That is different than the feeling/emotional version of good and bad. So just because a depressed person is bad and just because a sociopath is good does not mean we should have scorn/detest towards the depressed person and admire/compliment the sociopath. I can't help but really wonder if the moral version of good and bad really is fake even though we do not realize it yet. That we are all just blindly believing in it when it was never true to begin with. Society teaches us lies. This is a known fact of life. It happens so much throughout the world and we are all nothing more than just blindly believing in them. The fact is, we can't trust anyone. We can't trust everything we have been taught. Even though the moral version of good and bad might have supporting evidence, that doesn't necessarily make it true. The fact is, there could be new tests and new evidence supporting my theory that we need to find out. The moral version of good and bad says: "How you feel is nothing important. It is nothing good or bad in of itself. It is all about your thinking. Just simply change your thinking and you can live a life that has good meaning." I find that quote to be a mocking insult to me. It is ignorant deluded nonsense towards the person's depression and suffering. Really, if depression and all the suffering (unpleasant feelings/emotions) were nothing bad, then why are there so many people trying to find better treatments and cures for it? It should all just be a matter of changing one's thinking, acts, and way of life and nothing more. When we look at a severely crippled depressed person and feel sadness and grief over him/her, would it just simply be nothing more than because he/she has a pessimistic mode of thought towards life? No! It is instead because he/she is going through so much suffering. He/she has a crippling experience of an unpleasant feeling/emotion that gives nothing but bad and horrible meaning to his/her life that is known as depression. Therefore, depression in of itself has to be bad and it has nothing to do with our way of thinking. It is the scientific version of bad. The opposite would be the scientific version of good which would be our pleasant feelings/emotions. And, of course, having neither pleasant nor unpleasant feelings/emotions would only render you and your life having neutral (neither good or bad) value and worth. I mean, it all adds up to there being a scientific version of good and bad. I clearly have a rational and valid basis for my theory which would be everything I explained here about why the moral version of good and bad is a mocking/insulting deluded ignorant lie. The term "rewarding experience" has been defined through science as only being our reward system (pleasant emotions) and not our thoughts alone since our reward system is the only function of our brains that can give us a rewarding experience. It is always a rewarding experience for us to have good meaning in our lives. For example, if you perceive good meaning towards your family and living for them to help them out, then that is always a rewarding experience for you. You are perceiving a rewarding experience towards the helping of your family and towards living for them. Therefore, it would have to be our pleasant emotions that can be the only things that can give good meaning to our lives. To say that something can have good value and worth to you even though it is not a rewarding experience for you would be no different than saying that something can be a rewarding experience for you even though it is not a rewarding experience for you. Therefore, that would be a false (contradictory) statement. Also, if you lament and become enraged/frustrated over a loss in your life such as the loss of your family, then they would of been of good value and worth to you. They would of brought you good meaning in your life. Until you find someone or something else good in your life to replace that loss, you will lament and become enraged/frustrated for the time being. It is now how we normally function as human beings to be fine living a life of no good meaning. You would have a mental disorder if you were fine living like that. I don't have that mental disorder and nor would I ever have it. Therefore, this is the reason why I will never be fine living with this depression and anhedonia. If people to to lament and such over losses anyway without their pleasant emotions, then they would be fooling their brains into thinking that those said things and people brought good meaning to their lives when it was never true to begin with. Now depression and anhedonia turn off the survival aspect characteristics of the brain. The survival aspect characteristics of our brains would be us perceiving good meaning towards the helping of innocent people and towards the pursuing of our goals and dreams. So we cannot perceive good meaning in our lives at all as long as we are depressed and/or have anhedonia. Our unpleasant feelings/emotions such as depression instead result in the problem solving aspect mode of the brain being turned on which would be us perceiving bad meaning in our lives towards life crisises and towards the running away from danger and solving problems that hinder/threaten our survival. So we can only perceive bad meaning in our lives while struggling with depression. Depression and other unpleasant feelings/emotions turn on the problem solving aspect mode of the brain because if the survival aspect mode were to be left turned on and we still perceived good meaning and have still chosen to pursue our goals and dreams while being in a dangerous situation or a situation that hinders our survival, then we could be killed or harmed. That is just how our brains evolved, sadly. We have never evolved to perceive good meaning in our lives while struggling with depression or any other unpleasant feelings/emotions. People would just be fooling their brains into thinking they still have good meaning in their lives while struggling with depression and/or anhedonia when it was never true. Depression, I am quite sure, could very well be the worst of all unpleasant feelings/emotions since it lowers you down much more and saps away all good meaning of your life. So if you struggle with depression, then your life has the worst bad value and bad worth. As long as you are in a bland, "dead," and hopeless mindstate (mood) due to your depression and/or anhedonia, then that is the mindstate of perceiving bad and neutral meaning in your life. You need to be in the "alive," vigorous, sacred, divine, transcending, and vibrant mindstate of experiencing your pleasant emotions (good moods) in order to perceive good meaning towards your family, friends, this life/universe, and towards your goals and dreams. Again, it is a scientific perception of good and bad meaning in our lives and is not any moral or any other version of good and bad. It is the good and bad of the future that science has yet to discover when they develop the advanced technology to discover it. It would take perhaps hundreds or even thousands of years to discover it. But I have revealed it to you upon this very day. Therefore, share this theory of mine to scientists all around the world. It will be the ultimate science experiment. Scientists all around the world will test my theory and see if there really is a scientific version of good and bad. My theory will change the world. It will change how we all think as human beings. It will encourage scientists like never before to create an eternal blissful life in the future as I said before and it will encourage them to resurrect people such as me who have missed out on life so we can all live this eternal blissful life in the future. Everyone would now truly understand the depths of my loss and will truly know that my pleasant emotions (good moods) are the only incentives I have in my life to give my life good meaning. That is, if scientists would even care about my theory and if they even care to test it. If you don't share this theory to these scientists, then I might never be resurrected to live an eternal blissful life to give my life the eternal good meaning that I deserve for having gone through all this suffering of depression as well as my anhedonia. Everyone might just simply dismiss all the suffering and such of this life as being nothing bad and that all that is needed to live a good life would be our thinking. This couldn't be any further from the truth and the whole world needs the know the truth that my theory holds. There are many people in this world who don't have an open mind and would not even bother with my theory. But there are those people who will definitely give some consideration to my theory. Therefore, these are the types of people (scientists) I am seeking out.

I am now going to keep all my arguments regarding hedonism restrained to this topic only. So here is one last convincing argument I came up with supporting hedonism: There are 3 pleasure states: negative (hopelessness), neutral (anhedonia), and positive (feeling pleasure). The negative state of pleasure (depression), depression is also a natural response by evolution to discourage our survival aside from it being something such as a chemical imbalance or the result of a brain abnormality. It warns us when something is going wrong in our lives which is the reason why we become depressed when something bad happens in our lives such as the loss of a loved one, etc. When we are encouraged for survival, that would be defined as having genuine good perceptions in life such as to want to live and make the best of our lives, help others, etc. This encouragement can only be defined through our pleasure since it is only our feelings that genuinely encourage and discourage our survival. They are the only things that genuinely make us perceive our lives as either being good and worth living or as bad and not worth living at all. But if you are in a state of anhedonia (absence of pleasure), then this should also tell you that your life is not worth living at all either since how we normally function as human beings would be through relying on our perception of good to make our lives good and worth living. That neutral perception should then send a depressive signal to your brain and then make you and your life bad and of truly even less worth now. As I said before, in a state of anhedonia, our good and bad perceptions are not genuine and is just our mind's irrational way of fooling ourselves into thinking that we are having genuine good and bad perceptions without having any pleasure or suffering in our lives at the moment. I said that our encouragement for survival in life can only be defined by having genuine good perceptions. Therefore, since depression discourages our survival, then this means that we cannot genuinely perceive us and our lives as being good and worth living while in a state of significant depression since depression shuts down our good perceptions. Therefore, depression shuts down our good perceptions in a negative sense in that we would have bad perceptions, anhedonia simply neutralizes our perceptions in which we neither genuinely perceive our lives as being good or bad without pleasure and suffering, and pleasure is what defines our genuine good perceptions in life. When a person is depressed, he/she might say to his/herself in a depressive mood (tonality) that his/her life is still good and worth living. He/she might very well continue on to pursue his/her dreams and goals in life even while still feeling depressed. But those good perceptions are all decoys without our pleasure as I've said before. The person's depression has shut down his/her genuine good perceptions in life. But he/she is now doing nothing more than just simply saying to his/herself that his/her life is still good and worth living anyway and just forcing his/herself to live life anyway. So now this person is just simply being fooled by words and phrases alone when there is no genuine good perception at all from those words and phrases while he/she is in a state of depression. On one side of the spectrum you have people who are so severely depressed that they don't want to do anything who find no good value in their lives. They can hardly function and can hardly want to do things in their lives at all. These types of people are so severe that they can never bring themselves to make the best of their lives and such. These types of people need electric shock treatment. But on the other side of the spectrum you have people who are so happy and excited in life that they are doing all sorts of great things in life. So based on that, you can clearly see how our level of pleasure defines our level of good perception in life. But even if it were somehow a proven fact that you and your life are truly good even in a state of depression/anhedonia, then what good is that going to do for you? What is the use of you and your life being good if you are not even allowed to genuinely perceive it as being good? Now our perceptions do define how we feel. But it's our feelings that make those said perceptions genuinely good or bad only from the perspective of those feelings alone and not from the perspective of those perceptions (thoughts) alone which are all neutral in of themselves as I've said before. So it's just how we feel independent of our thoughts that genuinely makes us and our lives good or bad. I also realize that there is one other emotion which would be empathy. There are also 3 states of empathy as well: negative (in which you feel bad such as you feeling sorry for hurting someone else), neutral (no empathy in which one might also just simply help others out anyway through just thoughts and such alone), and positive (which would be a feeling of pleasure in which you feel good for helping someone else). Here again, the negative state defines us and our lives as being bad and genuinely defines our perceptions as bad, the neutral defines us and our lives as being neither good or bad and our perceptions as being neither good or bad without our pleasure, and the positive state is what genuinely defines us and our lives as being genuinely good and defines our perceptions as being genuinely good. In conclusion, I am making these arguments to try and help find better cures and treatments or anhedonia and depression. If people would realize that pleasure and suffering are the only true good and bad things in life, then they would be much more inclined to find better treatments and a cure. Too many people are just accepting of suffering due to them thinking that they are still good people even with much suffering and/or an absence of pleasure in their lives. But I wish to change this mindset so that people would then truly realize once and for all the pleasure and suffering really are the only true good and bad things in life. Not only am I trying to find better treatments and cures for depression and anhedonia, but also for suffering in general. My hedonistic values would also encourage others to find better treatments and cures for suffering in general as well. This would also even include mortality since living in an eternal blissful life of no suffering is the one and only good and greatest life there is and is the one and only thing that would make you the greatest person.

Not true. All that is needed to at least consider my arguments as an alternate possible truth would be for you to just have an open mind. You do not need to be a narcissist.

My Absolute Convincing Argument for Hedonism (Pleasure=Good, Suffering=Bad, Everything Else in Life=Neutral (Neither Truly Good or Bad) I have now come up with a new explanation as to how all our thoughts are neutral (neither truly good or bad) and how pleasure and suffering are the only true good and bad things in life. Let's pretend that you did not have the ability to perceive meaning, then words and phrases would be nothing more than words and phrases. One person you meet would not mean anything different from another person you meet. One shade of color would be no different than another, etc. The only difference would be that they would be different stimuli and nothing more. Therefore, this also applies to our own perceptions of meaning themselves since they are also nothing more than just different perceptions in of themselves and it has nothing to do with us attributing any neutral value or any other value to them. I am not saying that those perceptions are meaningless because they do have meaning since that is obviously what our perceptions are in the first place. I am saying something different here. Allow me to explain: Our thoughts/perceptions are no different than any other "neutral" part of our brain such as the parts of our brain that make us move, breathe, blink, etc. They are only different in the sense that they are different functions and nothing more. If you were to look at one shade of color vs another, then yes they would obviously be different. But they are the same in the sense that they both neither feel good or bad. Therefore, this also holds true for our thoughts and perceptions as well in that they are also no different than any other "neutral" part of our brain or any other object for that matter since they don't feel good or bad. But they are different functions and such nonetheless. What separates our feelings of good and bad (pleasure and suffering) from other "neutral" things in life and what makes them the true good and bad things in life is that if you were to perceive something as being good in your life without your pleasure, then you could obviously say that perception is good since that is what it is (a good perception). But like I said before, that version of good (perception) is no different than any other "neutral" part of our brain or any other object. Therefore, that perception would only be good in a neutral (fake) sense which means it is not truly good. But the version of good that comes from our pleasure in which we would be able to experience pleasure as a good feeling even if we had no knowledge or intelligence to attribute any value to that feeling, this version of good is the true good since it is the only other version of good there is besides the version of good that comes from our thoughts/perceptions and moral values. I said that the version of good that comes from our thoughts/perceptions and our moral values are no different than any other "neutral" thing in life which makes those said thoughts/perceptions and moral values neutral. Therefore, the true version of good would have to be the version that comes from our pleasure. Same thing for the true version of bad which would be suffering. As I said before, pleasure is a version of good since it always feels good. It always feels good even if you were to have no intelligence or knowledge to attribute any good values and such to it. Therefore, this means that pleasure is a version of good in of itself that is independent of our thoughts/perceptions and moral values. Pleasure always feels good and suffering always feels bad. People who say that pleasure feels bad or that suffering feels good, these people are lying. It is only the pleasure that is derived from their suffering that feels good to them and it is only the suffering that is derived from their pleasure that feels bad to them. Now one might say that pleasure and suffering do not feel good or bad. Rather, they might say something such as that they feel pleasant and unpleasant and that they are not what we would define as "good" or "bad." But how we define something as good or bad comes through not saying that those things are neutral. For example, one would say that his/her life is truly good even without his/her pleasure and that everything in his/her life including his/her own perceptions are not neutral. But since they are neutral as I've said before since they are no different than any other neutral thing in life, then they are not what we would define as truly good or bad. So the true version of good and bad would have to come from our pleasure and suffering since they are the only things in life that are truly different from everything else in that they are the only things that feel pleasant (good) and unpleasant (bad). One more given example here of how pleasure and suffering are the only true good and bad things in life is that if someone were to feel strong love for someone (love being a form of pleasure since it is a good feeling), then his/her actions and personality expressions would be genuinely expressed. But if you were to have anhedonia (absence of pleasure), then if you were to perceive love towards someone else and show actions/personality expressions of love towards that person, then those said actions and personality expressions would not be genuinely expressed. They would instead be "forced" (faked). For example, if you feel excited about something great in your life, then your expressions of excitement would be genuine. But a person with anhedonia would have to force (fake) his/her expressions. They would, again, be faked expressions and would not be genuine at all. Some people with anhedonia might claim that they have genuinely helped others and made the best of their lives. But this would only be because they have forced themselves to do so since they knew that it was the right thing to do anyway. Also, they are only fooling themselves into perceiving that things are good in their lives despite their anhedonia when the fact of the matter is that all those perceptions are neutral as I've said before. These people with anhedonia then act on those decoy perceptions and claim that their said actions/personality expressions are genuine when the fact of the matter is that they are also decoys. It's through our feelings that our personalities and actions are genuinely expressed and it's only through our feelings that our profoundness, innocence, and greatness becomes genuine. Otherwise, if we didn't have feelings at all, then we would be nothing neither truly good or bad and our lives would be neither truly good or bad either.

I am an atheist and since this is the one and only life I will ever have to enjoy (have pleasure in) and since I am a hedonist (which means that pleasure and suffering are the only true good and bad things in life and are the only things that determine the amount of good and bad value we as human beings have and in our lives while everything else in life besides our pleasure and suffering is neither good or bad and are only good and bad in a neutral sense which means they are not truly good or bad things at all), then allow me to live the life that I want (a life that imposes no threat and imposes no detriment on me or the lives of others) which would be a perfect happy fantasy world of full pleasure free of any suffering, depression, despair, and anhedonia. Allow me to live that life in addition to me also having a religious belief in which I would believe that I would go to an afterlife of eternal joy free of suffering when I die. This religious belief (although it would be false and delusional) would give me a sense of hope and superiority over the meaninglessness, mortality (dying in the end and going nowhere), imperfections, and suffering of this universe knowing that I would no longer have these things in my life when I die and that I would get the happy fantasy world of full pleasure with no suffering that I wanted in the end which would be an afterlife of eternal joy. My idealized self living in a perfect blissful afterlife of eternal joy would be the greatest and most superior person compared to who I am now in this life as an atheist since pleasure and having no suffering in your life are the only things that determine your level of greatness and superiority as a human being. Allow me to both have this life of pure pleasure and no suffering along with a religious belief (a belief that would also impose no threat or detriment on me or the lives of others either and would just serve to make me happy and give me a sense of hope and superiority over the suffering in this life. Suffering and even my own mortality being things that only serve to make me and my life inferior regardless of what anyone else says which is why I wish to be superior to those things through living a perfect happy religious life). Since I am an atheist and this is the one and only life I will ever have to enjoy (have pleasure in), then allow me to have the religious belief I want that would make me happy and allow me to live the happy life free of suffering I want. Since I have just as much personal value as anyone else and that I deserve to live a perfect happy life free of suffering in addition to me living for others and having full value towards them as well in giving them pleasure and that you would have no right to scorn upon my desire to be happy with no suffering and to scorn upon my desire to have a religious belief in my life since none of those said things would have any detriment and such on me and your lives and that you would have no right to frown, scorn, etc. on my personal values here just as I would have no right to frown, scorn, etc. upon your own personal values since we all have our own personal subjective values in life that hold true for us, then allow me to live that perfect blissful religious life. Finally, to have little to no good value towards an afterlife of eternal joy of no suffering (even though that itself is just a neutral thought since even our own thoughts are neither good or bad (neutral), then you would be just as mentally disordered as a psychopath. This would be because to have immense value towards our own pleasure and towards the idea of having it in our lives as well as having immense value towards the pleasure of others and to have immense value towards an afterlife of eternal joy of no suffering is just how we function as normal human beings. But to have little to no value towards your own pleasure and/or the idea (thought) of having it in your life (which would mean having little to no value towards an afterlife of eternal pleasure) and to instead have the full or greater value towards other things in life would mean that you would be just as mentally disordered as a psychopath who has little to no value towards others and their pleasure who instead has the full and greater value towards his/her own pleasure. Therefore, to have an equal amount of value towards your own pleasure as well as others and their pleasure is what is considered mentally stable. In other words, to have all full value towards your own pleasure and towards the idea of having it in your life as well as having all full value towards others and their pleasure is what is considered mentally stable. Therefore, since I do not have the mental disorder and will never have the mental disorder of me having little to no value towards my own pleasure and towards the idea of having it in my life and that I value others and their pleasure as much as I do, then this is yet another reason why I also have every right to value my own pleasure as much as I do (as well as the pleasure of others) and I have every right to have as much value towards an afterlife of eternal joy as much as I do.

I am finally back and have thought about this whole idea about our pleasure being the only good thing in life and this is what I have concluded. It has some of the same things as I've already been saying. But please read all of it anyway since there are some new important and valid points I am making here: First off, there are two versions of good and bad. The first comes from our thoughts, actions, personal created meanings in life, and from other people and other things in life. The 2nd version comes from our pleasure and suffering. The 1st version is only good and bad in a neutral sense. Meaning, that they are not the truly good and bad things in life and don't make us and our lives truly good or bad. While the 2nd version of good and bad that comes from our pleasure and suffering are the true version of good and bad that makes us and our lives truly good or bad. Our thoughts of good and bad are the scientific properties good and bad (since our thoughts of good and bad are the combined functioning of those atoms and particles in our brains that create those thoughts). However, they are the neutral scientific properties good and bad while the scientific properties good and bad that come from our pleasure and suffering are the actual version of good and bad (which would be the version that many people refer to when saying good and bad which would be the version that really does make them and their lives truly good or bad and is not the neutral version of good and bad). Now immediately before you object to what I just said here, I am going to post very convincing reasons backing up my claims here. I am going to walk you through an example of how all our thoughts are neutral (neither good or bad). For example, go ahead and say a word in your mind that is neutral to you (which would obviously be a thought). Maybe you can say a number in your mind such as the number 16 which would be nothing more than just a number to you that is neither good or bad. Therefore, all other thoughts we have in life are all the same in that sense as well since they are also nothing more than neutral sounds, images, numbers, words, etc. that cannot make us or our lives anything actually good without our pleasure and it's only our own pleasure that makes us and our lives anything good. You might be thinking something such as that the only reason why that number you created in your mind in that given example was neutral was only because of the fact that you have attributed a neutral value to it. But this would be false. There was no attributed value whatsoever to it. Therefore, the only reason why it was neutral to you was because of the fact that you were able to see that number for what it really was. And that would be the fact that it was nothing more than just a number. You were not blinded by any other attributed meanings of good and bad to fool yourself into thinking that number was something good or bad. You have first said that number to yourself in your mind and at the time it was neither neutral and neither good or bad (it was nothing more than just a number to you). Then, from there, based on that experience, you have then concluded that it was neutral. This neutral value judgement you have given is not false at all and doesn't make anything I'm saying false. This would be because, when we say something is neutral (such as our thoughts and personal created meanings in life being neutral), then what we are saying here is that these thoughts are nothing more than just thoughts. That they are nothing more than words, sounds, images, etc. So this would be true. Therefore, this also applies to all other thoughts and personal created meanings we have in life as well since they are also nothing more than just neutral sounds, words, images, etc. Even our own thoughts of good and bad are nothing more than just neutral sounds, words, images, etc. just like that neutral number you created in your mind in that given example. Even our own attributed meanings of good and bad to our thoughts of good and bad are all neutral as well. So people are only fooling themselves into thinking that they and their lives are still somehow good without their pleasure. They are fooled by thoughts of good and bad and other created meanings that are perceived as good or bad when, in reality, all these thoughts and created meanings are all neutral. But even now as I am speaking here and saying that number you created in your mind was neutral (including me saying that all our thoughts are neutral), I am attributing a neutral value to them. So you might then be thinking something such as that number and all thoughts and personal created meanings we have in life aren't neutral at all since it was just my attributed neutral value to that number and all other thoughts and was all just my own personal opinion. But this would be false. Here, again, I will say that what I mean by neutral is that when thoughts are nothing more than just thoughts here (that they are no different than that number you created in your mind in that given example which was nothing more than just a number). So what I'm saying is true. Our thoughts are only different in the sense that they are different words, sounds, images, etc. and that they make us perform different actions. But that is it. They are all still neutral. They are simply the different activity of the functioning of our brains that come up with these different thoughts. It would be no different than the different activity of the parts of our brain that make us blink and breathe in different ways and nothing more. Any perceived logical fallacies in my argument here might hold true for other things in life, but not for what I'm saying here. You might say something such as that "Your logic is false and what you are saying is that you can create an 'ooooh' vowel sound when you sing. Therefore all words you sing have 'oooooh' vowel sounds" in order to try and disprove my argument here. But the fact is that all things in life besides pleasure, pain, and despair are nothing but atoms and particles that are neutral (neither good or bad). But it is only pleasure, pain, and despair in of themselves that are the only good and bad things despite the fact that these things are also the functioning of atoms and particles. I am also going to explain below how even our own actions including everything else in life are all neutral as well including how only our pleasure and suffering are the only good and bad things in life: First off, the reason why I state that pleasure is the only good thing is because of the fact that it always feels good in of itself no matter what and no matter what value we attribute to it. Even if we had no knowledge, thoughts, or intelligence whatsoever, and we were to then experience pleasure, our pleasure would still feel good to us anyway. So good is a scientific property which would be our pleasure which would be the combined functioning of the atoms and particles in our brains that give us pleasure as I've stated before and am also stating here to make myself absolutely clear. Same concept applies for bad since pain and despair always feel bad in of themselves no matter what as well. Now I am now going to explain some more as to how our actions and everything else in life are all neutral: Since all atoms and particles are separate from the atoms and particles of our pleasure, then to say that harming someone in order to give you pleasure makes your pleasure bad, this would be false because the combined atoms and particles of the person suffering and the combined atoms and particles of our thoughts of good and bad as well as other things do not have the same properties of the combined atoms and particles as a whole that make up our pleasure. It would be no different than saying that, since the combined atoms and particles of a piece of metal possess a certain function and properties (which, in this case, we would call "bad"), then that also makes the combined atoms and particles of other materials the same as well (that this also makes them "bad") which is false. Concepts such as good and bad (aside from our experience of pleasure, pain, and despair), these are the subjective thoughts themselves that create these concepts in the brain and are the functioning of the atoms and particles themselves in the brain responsible for the creation of these concepts in the brain that do have scientific properties (though these thoughts are all neutral as I've already stated). And, of course, they are also experiences in of themselves that are the real objective version of good and bad good that also have scientific properties (which would be the functioning of the atoms and particles that give us pleasure, pain, and despair). Therefore, our thoughts cannot define our pleasure as being something bad or neutral or our pain and despair as being neutral or good. They also cannot define anything else as being good, bad, or neutral either since they are the separate combined functioning of atoms and particles that have different functions and different properties. Even if they somehow could define other things in life (including even our own thoughts of good and bad) as being good or bad, then it would all still be the neutral scientific properties good and bad. Meaning, that they are not really good and bad at all. Even if other things in life were somehow good or bad, it would all still come back to our own minds since we are only in our own minds and we can only experience our lives from our own perspectives. In other words, it would all still come back to our thoughts of good and bad. But since those thoughts are all neutral, then knowing and thinking that someone or something is good in life would not make you or your lives anything truly good without your pleasure since that would all just be neutral thoughts as I've just said. There is also no possible way for anything else in life besides our own pleasure and suffering to be good or bad anyway. This would be because if no human beings were born and all that came into existence was the Earth and the universe, then everything would neither be good or bad. It would all just be the functioning of atoms and particles. To say that a piece of metal possesses certain functions and properties would be true. But to say that this piece of metal is good or bad would be false since everything in this universe is all the scientific functioning of atoms and particles and can only be explained through science. Value judgements such as good or bad do not exist in other objects and materials since they are not the combined functioning of atoms and particles that would define good and bad. They instead can only be defined in terms of scientific descriptions such as mass, weight, energy, etc. But value judgements such as good and bad do exist as our thoughts and are the combined functioning of the atoms and particles that make up those thoughts (though they are the neutral version of good and bad while the actual version of good and bad woud be the combined functioning of the atoms and particles that give us pleasure and suffering as I've just said before). Also, what I mean by separate is that if you have one object in your hand and you then have another object in your other hand, then those two objects are separate from one another. This same concept also applies to other objects and other people being separate from our own brains and are separate from our own thoughts and pleasure centers and that our thoughts as well as our own pleasure and suffering cannot define anything else in life as being good or bad from our own perspectives. Also, if you are going to say something such as that since objects have an effect on each other and that since objects would, therefore, also have an effect on our brains, then that somehow makes those objects and our brains "connected" in that any good or bad thought we come up with would actually define that said object as being good or bad since those objects and other people are somehow "linked" with our thoughts. If this is what you are going to say, then this would be false because in order for the objects to actually be good and bad, then they would have to be the thoughts themselves of good and bad. Our thinking is independent of other objects and other people. Whatever effects those objects have on our brains is not the same thing as our thoughts having an effect on those objects in the sense of making them good or bad. Our thoughts might have some effect on other objects. But it wouldn't be the actual thoughts themselves of good and bad that are projected onto those objects. Rather, it would be different effects on those objects such as gravity, attraction, etc. Now if you think that something else is good or bad in life, then that doesn't make it good or bad since those other things in life would have to actually have the exact same functioning of all the combined functioning of atoms and particles of our thoughts of good and bad (they would actually have to be those thoughts themselves). Your thoughts also cannot somehow project themselves onto other people, other objects, or even other parts of your brain and make these things good, bad, or neutral. So all these other things in life stand alone as being nothing more than meaningless atoms and particles that are neutral (neither good or bad), our thoughts (though they are those meanings themselves we create) are all still neutral regardless of what meanings they are, while our own pleasure and suffering are the only good and bad things in life. Everything in this universe including all ideas, thoughts, our minds, and actions, these things are all made up of atoms and particles that have scientific properties. Our minds may be different, but they are all still the different functioning and wiring of atoms and particles. Also, I am now going to explain how our pleasure and suffering are the only good and bad things in life: The version of good many people think of is the version that is not neutral and is the version of good that actually makes them and their lives truly good. However, since all our thoughts are neutral as I've just stated, then anyone who says something such as that they and their lives can still be truly good without their pleasure, then they would be false. This version of good these people are speaking of would, therefore, have to be outside the realm of our neutral thoughts. But as I've also said before, there is nothing else in this life such as other people or even nature itself that is anything good and that these things are also the functioning of meaningless (neutral) atoms and particles that are also neither good or bad. These other things couldn't make us or our lives anything good anyway since we are in our own minds and it would still all come back to our neutral thoughts as I've just said before. Therefore, this version of good would have to be our pleasure. Same thing for bad in that it would only be our pain and despair that would be bad. This would be because they always feel good and bad in of themselves no matter what as I've said before. So you might then be thinking that I am attributing good and bad value to pleasure and suffering through my thoughts here and that pleasure and suffering can't be anything good or bad either since even my own thoughts of good and bad cannot define my pleasure and suffering as good or bad and that these thoughts cannot project themselves onto my pleasure and suffering and make them good or bad. However, pleasure and suffering are a form of good and bad that doesn't involve our thoughts and has nothing to do with our thoughts and created personal meanings in life. Rather, our thoughts of good and bad (the idea of good and bad that many people have) would refer to the real version of good and bad which would be our pleasure and suffering and nothing else and people are only fooling themselves into thinking otherwise. Pleasure and suffering are the real scientific properties good and bad as I've said before since they always feel good and bad in of themselves no matter what. But you then might also say to me something such as that how we come up with the meanings good and bad in the first place would be through our thoughts, knowledge, and intelligence and that pleasure and suffering cannot always be the only good and bad things in life since good and bad come from our personal value judgements (our thoughts) and is all something subjective. However, as I've just said, the version of good and bad that many people think of is the version that is not neutral. Therefore, this version would have to be our pleasure and suffering. Also, you are only in your own mind and you are not in the minds of others and this entire life is all from your own perspective. You cannot experience the pleasure and suffering of others and you can only experience your own pleasure and suffering. Therefore, it is only your own pleasure and suffering that are the only good and bad things in life from your own perspective while the pleasure and suffering of others are the only good and bad things in life to them from their own perspectives. The pleasure and suffering of others from your own perspective is nothing more than a neutral thought. Therefore, you can harm others and that would still not make you a bad person. You would still be a good person since only your own pleasure is what defines you and your life as being anything good. How good your life is and how good you are (your level of greatness) is solely determined by the level of pleasure you have. Therefore, this is the reason why you can even still be a good person if you obtained pleasure from harming even millions of innocent people around the world and this is the reason why you would still be a bad person and/or a neutral person if you had depression and/or anhedonia (emotional numbness) who instead helped millions of innocent people around the world. Also, people such as psychopaths who have very little to no value towards others and their pleasure who only have value towards their own pleasure are just as mentally disordered as someone who instead has very little to no value towards his/her own feelings of pleasure who instead has value towards other people and their pleasure including other things in life. Only when a person has both an equal amount of value towards his/her own pleasure as well as others in general and their pleasure are they considered mentally stable since they would be at this stable "equilibrium." In conclusion, some people might say something such as that the pleasure and suffering of others from their own perspectives cannot possibly be anything neutral since they can feel pleasure profoundly from witnessing others experiencing pleasure and that they can feel profound despair from witnessing others experience despair. However, these things are all neutral from this person's perspective no matter what. What goes on in the brain is that neutral stimuli such as imagery, words, and sounds, they are all perceived as good or bad things through our own personal created meanings and through the neutral mental processes in our brains that then send an emotional signal to our brains. These emotions are what are the only good and bad things to us in life. Our own personal created meanings and all our other mental processes are all still neutral including everything else in life from our perspectives. So even though you might experience pleasure from witnessing someone else experience pleasure or that you are experiencing despair from witnessing someone else experiencing despair, then it would still only be your own pleasure and despair from that which would be the only good and bad things to you. Some people would also say that we have mirror neurons that allow us to experience the pain, pleasure, despair, and suffering of others. However, it is all still our own mirror neurons and it is still our own experiences of pleasure and suffering and we are not actually experiencing the pleasure and suffering of others.

My anhedonia is a physiological change in the brain in which I can't experience any amount of pleasure whatsoever. There is no way that I can just snap myself out of it for brief moments and have at least some moments of pleasure. My anhedonia is chronic and there all the time 24/7 and it still hasn't gotten any better for many months now regardless of how much activities I engage in that used to bring me pleasure.