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Go ahead. Ridicule. Seems that is the most common answer. No I did not. I was looking for a science forum. Sorry, I don't know what this is. You can take me out.

Hello I have read a few topics on gravitational theories. I must state my disagreement on the space warp theory to explain attraction, but I would like to pose a different question. I agree fully on the theory of mass density being the measure of gravitational force. That said, gravity itself is still a mystery. I am talking about the wave that interacts with mass. Like magnetism for instance. We know what a magnetic wave is and how to create it. What efforts are being made to discover the gravitational wave?

Swansont you keep asking for evidence or mathematics to prove whatever is discussed. Is this not a discussion forum? Where ideas are hashed in many cases just based on logic? And where we can argue theories based solely on one's perception? Instead of cutting someone short and frustrating him/her off the forum, how about being a little more involving.

It is so obvious that this forum is frequented by students and wannabies. After this post I'm out. Lol.

Ok smartass. Let's concentrate on the spelling mistakes instead of what maters here. Jerk!

Senses? what senses? Who is talking about touching smelling or feeling? I am talking about discovering what it is so we can manipulate it. What kind of forum is this where I only see amature responses? Is this a student based forum?

The fact that we do not know, does not mean it is not science. Science is the search of knowledge and how things work. Everything is matter. Everything is something. The search to understand it is not philosophy.

I do not doubt that we understand gravity, that is what I meant by "we know what causes gravity", but we still do not know what it is. We still have to discover those termed "gravitons" so that we can learn how to manipulate them. Why are we not dedicationg more research into it? We spent billions going after the God partical recearching the beginning of our universe. Have we transfered that knowledge to our every day lives? What benefits have we received from it? If we discovered how to manupulate gravity, we would have reaped a lot more benefits from it, no?

Where does that come from? Is this a fact? How would you manage that ? Lets say we built a teeter totter where one end contained a 2 ton weight. On the other end a 1 ton weight with ratchet system that would actuate a 4 kw generator. Now tell me know we can hide That 2 ton weight from earth's gravity just until the other end goes down. Are you getting my drift? Perhaps now we can start to talk about manipulating gravity is this form (knowing that we do not really understand it fully yet).

So what you are saying is that we know how to reproduce gravity without relying on spinning (artificial gravity), or using rocket or air. ???? What he was asked is basically what I am asking. To me he misunderstood the question. I believe he is trying to explain physically what it is, where he was asked what it is. Am I making any sense? Let me put it to you this way. Is there any technology that can hide anything from gravity? Or oppose it? (here on Earth)!!

This interview just tells me he knows nothing of the question he was asked and is simply beating around the bush. Ok so let me reapeat this once again. We know how to reproduce magnetism, ie: electric motors. So we know what magnesim is and how to reproduce it. We know what causes Gravity but we do not know how to reproduce it the same way. Do you understand the question? That being, we do not know what kind of wave it is.

This thread just proves a point I made in my first post here under Quantum Physics. That TIME is nothing more than Man's invention of a measure just like distance. And time dilation (like that of GPS) is a misconception and an error in the math.

Hello everyone I would like to see what is known about this subject by this community. This is something that has made me loose a lot of sleep. We all know what causes gravity. From what I understand, mass is the underlying component here. The higher, or more concentrated the mass is, the stronger the gravity. So, we definitely know what magnetism is, and as a result we have been able to reproduce it, essentially benefiting us directly. But we do not know yet what gravity is, because we have not been able to reproduce it like we have with magnetism. Correct? Please leave out artificial gravity like that of the space station by rotating something. As far as I understand, we yet do no know what the force is, physically. I welcome any insight into this subject. Zen

Well it has been interesting to say the least. Obviously I had no idea what to expect when I decided to stir up this forum. Being a mechanical engineer, I depend totally on logic to solve problems so I wanted to get some views on current thinking of the theories that confuse me. I am intent on all that goes on with the scientific discoveries as they are brought to the public knowledge base, like the idea of the black matter, space warp, possibility of another universe on the other side of of a black hole, and the continuous expansion of our universe. I have dug into some of Albert Einstein's available material as well as Isac Newton to try to comprehend some things. I purposely attacked what I believe to be the most significant theories to see what you guys would through back at me. I expected pros and cons, but I mostly got a closed defense of what is known. I expected more. I want to thank especially Janus for his contribution and all others to have put up with me. This concludes my short adventure here. Thank you all Zen

Except it isn't just the math, real life experiment has verified this conclusion.( in fact the GPS system had to be designed with it in mind in order to work properly.) In your example, you would actually return having aged a little under 2 min less than everyone on Earth. Nobody argues that this happens just because it is what the math says, they argue that the math is correct because it matches what we actually measure in the world around us. In your example, you would actually return having aged a little under 2 min less than everyone on Earth. This is the best response I have received so far. Alright, can you please elaborate on this? I need it to be logical. You see I am a problem solver, majored in mechanical engineering, and I depend on logic to make things work. Touchy are we? So I can be insulted, but can not criticize back?

I don't know how old you are, but please grow up. Take that chip off your shoulder. People don't hate Einstein. It is human to question status quo. And why must science be buried in the maze of math? When all the mind sees is numbers, logic gets cloudy. What evidence. A theory is a theory not a proven fact. So no one so far is willing to discuss my ideas. Only to criticize. Well I will criticize back. Seems that this is just a forum of the books, and no one is interested in debating with logic. Where did our minds go? Buried in numbers I guess. Is there no one really interested in pursuing a real discussion? Is this forum really filled with skepticism?

Ok...... So I have stirred some nests. Sounds fine. Although I did not get "yes I am very interested in the subject" but "are you a mathematician" and "you can't develop a theory without mathematics", I am not put off. Thought and logic can be sufficient to develop a theory. After all a theory is simply someone's idea of something, whether they arrived at it with mathematics or logic. And you can not prove everything with mathematics. Although it can help to explain a thought. By the quotes I have seen here, I sense fear and superiority complexes. Lets get into it. First of all I would like to address the idea that you can not go faster than the speed of light. Light is launched into space, so there is an energy involved that determines it's speed, and since space is empty (lets not get into the "dark matter" please) light will travel at the speed it was launched until it hits something that will absorb it. Of course not necessarily in a straight line, because there are forces that can act upon it. When we launch a probe into space we use a certain amount of fuel, and use the gravity of planets to sling-shoot it so it will reach the set calculated speed for the objective. And because there is no resistance in space, we count on that probe to keep going at that speed, essentially forever (until it hits something). So lets say we have built an energy source that can propel a ship that could accelerate to light speed ( hypothesis). So 186,000 mps in round numbers. When we reach light speed, because there is no resistance, we would continue at that speed even after we stop burning fuel correct? So because there is no resistance, even though you are traveling at the speed of light it would feel like you are standing still would it not? So logically if you apply more fuel you would go faster than the speed of light. I understand that CERN has not been able to make anything go faster than light, it does not mean it is not possible logically. Time association to speed of light is hogwash. Time is nothing more than a measure of passing created by man . A system of measure, nothing more. If you accelerate at say 20,000 mph and go two weeks into space, then turn back at the same speed, you would have been gone a month, so you would be one month older as well as back here on Earth we would also be one month older. The theory that as you reach the speed of light time slows is ludicrous. I don't care how much mathematics you apply to it, you are just inventing. Time as a THING does not exist except in dreamer's minds. Pore it on guys.

Hello to everyone This is my first time here (or anywhere for that matter) as an observer of our science community. I crave for knowledge, develop my own theories, and I am certainly curious about what the general circulating beliefs are in relation to what surrounds us. So I will start by saying, that my intention is to start a thread on a very controversial subject (in my perspective) theorized by Newton. And I aim to smash the idea that you can not travel faster than light, and the association of light-speed to time. This may be an extended discussion, so I first want to know if there is interest to get into this before I spend any time on it, so I don't end up talking to myself. Thanks. Zen