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How do you differentiate the incomplete gamma function?
MWresearch replied to MWresearch's topic in Analysis and Calculus
The first problem is d/dx*gamma(x)=gamma(x)*polygamma_0(x) and the polygamma function is already defined in terms of the original gamma function and the derivative of the gamma function, the logic is completely circular, all anyone is saying by writing that is that the derivitive of the gamma function is the derivative of the log of the gamma function divided by the gamma function, it explains nothing about what the actual polygamma function is and what combination of operators it performs on an input and thus there is no clear way to differentiate it. It's like saying that the integral of (2/sqrt(pi))e^(-x^2) is the error function when the error function is only defined as the integral of (2/sqrt(pi))e^(-x^2), again, the logic is circular and absolutely zero known functions are represented in closed form after taking the integral of the Gaussian curve. The polygamma function appears to be the exact same type of ambiguous problem except with derivatives instead of integrals. Why can't they just admit they don't know the derivative? I might as well say the derivative of the gamma function is spaghetti where spaghetti = the derivative of the gamma function, saying that solves nothing and shows nothing about taking the actual derivative of the function because the logic is simply circular, so if I don't know what the derivative is, how am I suppose to differentiate it? And THEN holding the input of the gamma function fixed while varying the boundary is suppose to somehow be x^(t-1)e^(-x) except there's absolutely no known elementary function that you can use to evaluate the boundaries of the lower incomplete (or upper) gamma function at x and infinity to verify that result after integrating the original function, again, completely circular logic that solves nothing. If they don't know of any such function or combination of operators that can accurately describe the integral of the original function in closed form they should simply admit it and stop wasting everyone's time. But since they won't tell anyone and make up this circular logic crap, no outside viewer can have any way of knowing. -
Except you're not considering the arbitrary coefficient "a" and still completely ignoring that I keep referring to possible positive and negative values in general, not solely x^2. What if I had [math]-x^{2}[/math]? Then all values would be negative. There should be one general equation that explains all outputs of log(x) that tells me what the complex numbers are for negative arguments along with their continuum of 2*pi*n solutions resulting from it's trigonometric relation through Euler's identity as well as simultaneously giving me only real output values when the argument is positive, no constraints like x>0 or x<0 for any argument. Basically, an extension of the log(x) function which by hand one could derive the correct output values all real values of x, not only positive values and not only negative values, all values.
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And that explains the complex result of a negative argument in addition to the real values for all positive and negative values of the argument in one formula how????? I don't know how many times I have to explain it but I'll do it until you get it. The formula shouldn't restrict anything to only positive values which abs does. Somewhere out there, there's a single extended form of log(x) that explains not only what's happening when you move the exponent but what the complex constant is added for negative values in the formula that simultaneously accounts for both the positive values of the argument yielding only real numbers while the negative values of the argument yield complex numbers and that's what this is all about. Every logarithmic rule that people have written so far only works for either only positive inputs or only negative inputs, but, it should be both for the continuum of results.
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I tried explaining it and instead of taking my advice on what I'm asking about you decided to act inappropriate and then on top of it you still create the exact same issue but for negative numbers. No separation, there should be one formula for a set of all real numbers if not all complex numbers z, a formula where not only can both positive and negative numbers correspond to ln(x) and ln(-x) but also give the +2pi*i*n for all other possible solutions that result from log(x)'s trigonometric relation.
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Exactly what the title says. Not an easy function to work with, for some reason it doesn't have a known indefinite integral even though it seems like it almost should. The answer seems to have something to do with the polygamma function though the exact process of differentiating the gamma function seems non-existent on the internet.
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Ok so you keep saying x>0, but that's exactly what my issue is. I don't care about those basic rules for positive real numbers, the problem is what's going on that makes the result such that the above statements aren't true for negative numbers. Clearly, factoring out exponents for positive numbers is just "pattern recognition," not the whole story.
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That doesn't really explain anything, that's just a reiteration of basic basic basic logarithm rules that most people here learned years and years and years ago. What I'm talking about is, what the hell is going on when that happens? And that has to at least be related to complex analysis and Euler's Identity because of the constant left over in the negative portion of the domain of the argument of log(a*x). I'm looking for a formula that works for all arguments of log(x).
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Just what the title says. Say for instance I have [math]ln(x^2/3)[/math]. I want to be able to turn that into [math]2ln(x...[/math]But, I'm not sure exactly what's happening to a number or what the exact operation is when you take an exponent out of the argument of [math]log(x)[/math]. So, I'm not sure exactly what the result is if I assume [math]ln(x^2/3)=2ln(x/sqrt(3))[/math] because every time I try to do something like that, I get some complex constant left over. It "seems" like when you move exponents out of the argument of a logarithm, you're exponentiation everything in the argument by 1/exponent-you-want-to-get-rid-of and for some random reason that exponent then gets moved to the outside of the log operator, but then again, there's always a constant left over when I do that. I guess I could limit it to [math]x*a>0[/math] for [math]log(x*a)[/math] but I'd prefer to have the whole picture of whatever that constant comes from like [math]log(e^(ip*a)))[/math] or whatever. Btw the exponent command for the [math tags are completely broken and useless.
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I'm not solving a differential equation with an unknown function but it seems it should be similar. What I mean is I want to solve for an unknown operator that has some arbitrary transformation of terms and variables. If for instance I had x^5 and I wanted to find some operator that made x^5 turn into x^4, I should get ^4/5. But let's say I didn't know that property of exponents as a given, how would I mathematically investigate the apparent transformation of variables to find that operation that has the properties of turning x^5 into x^4?
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The answer, which, I'm surprised no one else came up with since there's supposedly people here who know a lot of math is that it doesn't disappear, there are complex and imaginary solutions of cos(x) at multiple points not visible in the real plane and it was simply not showing them since cos(x) generally only resides in the real plane.
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How do you reduce voltage and make a current last longer?
MWresearch replied to MWresearch's topic in Engineering
You seem pretty intent on your erroneous assumptions, so why would I bother explaining it? You already think you know the answer, obviously nothing I say to you is going to make the discussion go in a positive direction. If you want to know the answer just use your imagination, there's infinite possibilities for physical circumstance, there's all sorts of actions that aren't perfectly unidirectional or that one does not want to restrict to one direction. You're basically just saying "I could be wrong, but I assume I can't possibly be wrong," no point arguing with someone like that. Well, I am dealing somewhat with lower power, but on the other hand there is a chance the rotation could spike up in frequency and maintain that frequency in a certain sense, even when alternating in different directions. Why is it better to use a fuse that could blow up instead of a charge regulator? Just more cost effective?- 71 replies
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Where's the damn off button on you? How is it possible for your existence to be that big of a of time and resources? I don't give a crap what you think, if you don't have answers, no one cares, go ruin another website and let the legitimate grown up scientists do the discussing. If you don't want to answer questions, don't waste everyone's time, your incessant trolling is exactly what loses credibility for this site.
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When in the hell did I state I didn't understand why the domain was restricted? Obviously you didn't read it. I merely pointed it out as something to consider, nowhere did I ask a question about the domain being restricted. Not only that but the words "complex" and "imaginary" didn't occur a single time in your entire "solution to everything" article, but being pleasant obviously solved nothing because the only way to get any god damn attention around here is to shakes things up, otherwise my question would have been answered ages ago. No question answered? No reason to be pleasant. If it were different, that would be nice, but since the staff refused to answer the question I'm going to get someone else to or get enough attention until one of them does. Unfortunately for you, that person definitely isn't you. If there was actually a vertical line test failure in the domain [0,1] from taking the inverse of arccos(x) then obviously no function would be displayed at all in any way, it wouldn't force only the real component of the complex function to be displayed unless there was a complex function to begin with. But as it clearly shows with arccos(x) there are instances where the horizontal AND vertical line test creates complex values which in a normal circumstance should still exist when reflecting over the x axis. Not only that, but cos(z) in wolfram isn't even restricted by Re(z) when displaying cos(z), which means it's not an issue of software refusing to show those complex values, they simply disappear.
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Obviously I don't give a crap what you think, I care about answers. If you have the audacity to call yourself any remote authority on any science or math, you better have the damn capacity to answer questions. Doesn't matter about anyone owing anything, it matters if this site can actually do what it set out to do. Furthermore, the fact that you care about something as irrelevant as points is disturbing, this site needs to redefine who it calls "senior." Here's how it works: people like me ask questions and legitimate scientists answer them because it makes them look good or feel validated. Put it on your resume, put it on a scholarship, I don't care, but that's the only reason for this site's existence.
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