Eugenes

Well as you know game theory doesn't play on humans, but on logical humans, that are closer to a computer that a human being. I want make this very clear: I don' t say that, because of it, mathematics is limited, I say because we are limited. We are the casual genetic mutations of a 3 million years old rat, we live to live and procreate, not to understand the universe. The choises we make doesn't have to line up with the symmetry and the perfection of the cosmos. We are contradictory

Well in order: 1) i don't think we are a singularity 2) it can be... If we find something that can't split apart, probably it's that the essential castituenent of things. But then we will be doing research in a world that goes beyond every our conceptions and maybe it doesn't even make sense.

We are getting used seeing the complicate theory of quanta be raped in every possible way by all new-age people and even by some "convertited physicist". every one sees in it what they want, so it explain karma, god spirituality... I'm kinda sick of this, and I think they have exceeded every limits This time is the Vatican that asserts that quantum physics finally give reason to the aristotelic physics (sorry Galileo ). You may think " how?". Has quantum physics discovered recently that fire goes up because it tries to rejoin himself with the sun? Has it discovered that ,in reality, the world stay still and it is the universe turning around? None of them. Vatican says that's because aristotele thought that physics were an imperfect science and so quantum confirm the characteristic "not necessary, but approximate , that is statistically likely , of science in general, and then to the same physical cosmology , the same approximate character that Aristotle distinguished physics from mathematics." I leave comments to you. The articol is in Italian but if you have google translate, you shouldn't have no problem. http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/cultura/280q05a1.html

First of all we must define our term, in such a way, that there's no ambiguity in what we are talking about. So, what's mathematics? is it the numeral analisis? or is it the logical statements we can do? or is it the set of all numbers, real or imaginary? if you think about it is all very ambiguous. we usualy use one term to indicate a lot of different things. the most comprehensive meaning we can give to that word, i think, it is "the etherial order in nature" Math is not the Natural number neither the Platonic solid, but it is both. Mathematics is the simmetry, the necessary order that our cosmos has in order to exist and every branch is the rappresentation we make, is our attempt to understand it. Math works so fine because it is the mirror of our universe. But it can't explain everything. Math can't explain our choices and our moral for example, so every attempt we make to give to math a ethical meaning is just wrong and no-sense

Well maybe it is, but nobody can deny that mathematics is to nature as words to poetry

Yes i see what you mean, physics is math applied, and thats a fact since from Galileo. but the thing becomes mindblowing when math is a step ahead of physics or other sciences,when old new branches of math that doesn't seemed so helpful became fondamental.another example is the non-euclidean geometry that turned out to be the basis of the theory of relativity. I'd love finding other examples

Hi folks. I am a student and i have to do an essay about a topic that intrigues me. I read the quote " The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences" ( of E.Wigner) on the book "Is God a mathmatician" of Mario Livio, and that hit me. Maths in fact can seem useless or a mere tool of applied sciences, but in reality, often it has anticipated some evolutions of physical theories and every branch of it has been applied in some way. One example could be the knot theory that, from the theory of mathematics it has been applied to the study of DNA (for whom interested: http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gross/bioed/webmodules/DNAknot.html). What do you think? Do you know a physical, chemical, biological area that have applied some theorem that math have discovered long time before?