RoseHip

My reason for linking to the abstract of this paper is independent from your arguments above. I'd like to discuss in more detail, immune stimlation and inflammation. How do the two correlate between each other.

hypervalent_iodine, How would I figure out this step regarding the enzymes?

Is it possible for a substance to increase inflammatory cytokine production, at the same time reduce inflammation..? Is my question. Not-a-chemist-type here trying to catch up with you all. Do these "inflammatory cytokines" reduce inflammation, or make more inflammation .. ? Based on what was mentioned there would this herb lower inflammation or stimmulate an immune response? or am I not comparing apples to oranges..? (Not a biochemist..) p.s. JorgeLobo I didn't find the study exciting either, is one supposed to? They did say something about reducing flu by 3 days in a hot body

I am thinking about doing that.

Great resource, thanks.

For this purpose it is for general knowledge. A doctor is being consulted for other things, they did recommend probiotics, but would like to look into it from this standpoint to understand the ins and outs regarding them. I'm on the same page as far as possible marketing hype, etc. .

It is in the intestinal tract that I need them to survive, I suppose regarding environment you are probably talking about Ph balances? If I remember correctly from my prior reading they prefer low Ph?

So, if you happened to read a few of my previous threads I have no background in biochemistry, though I find the topic profoundly interesting. I am scientifically inclined, can decipher things when need be, but need basic info. Could anyone recommend a book which would be informative in nature regarding chemical reactions, maybe some Kerbs Cycle information included that would be an "easy" or "moderately easy" to understand for someone new to this realm?

Don't mean to flip my own thread on it's head, want to discuss the original topic going forward as well, but I'm wondering... as far as lactobacillus survival, will it survive without Milk? Will it survive on only sugar from carbohydrates such as found in carrots?

Good info thank you! What about uva ursi, and some other agents. Actually I'm wondering if anyone with some spare time on their hands could do a test of this under a microscope, for other agents too. Will tr to do it myself, except this would not be in a lab setting with little experience, therefore my results could be very skewed .

Ok ty!

Anyone? So I have a microscope... (and a dream )... I know how to use the "machine" itself.. Say I wanted to test this out on my own... what type of magnification would I need for lactobacillus? The microscope looks like a bit of a clunker but I think it's about 400x. Say I take a probiotic capsule dump some of it in some distilled water on a slide... would I be able to see something? If I then add a substance to test to see if it would kill it... would that be a valid test? Any pointers?

Thank you. I will take a look at those sources. Unfortunately I know little about enzymes and synthesis, but will look to see nevertheless. I could elaborate, however it is medical related so I'm trying to keep it generic here so as not to elicit a medical advice type conversation which could end the thread. I have done searches in the past and haven't been successful in finding out what this substance even is aside from being a product of bacterial or yeast origin. How does it effect protein synthesis within the body, does it interfere with vitamin synthesis.

How would one go about figuring out what bacteria specifically makes this substance as a biproduct of their existance?

I'm not a biochemist, but I like to look at things in detail, so it looks like the same molecule based on my quick look per wikipedia... not aruging that, just trying to understand because putting the molecular structure aside, synthetic form of anything is seldom exactly the same from the real thing, perhaps enviornment surrounding it... how it was made ..etc. would those factors contribute to the purity.. for example there is information that during Pitocin manufacture it has to be purified some way... I suppose I do need to do more research on how it's made to understand the details, though it's not at the top of my list right now.. but I found the topic interesting and thought I'd throw it out there.