DrDoggy

I have ordered a test kit, I also have this water pumped full of oxygen even prior to ozoneation, -- i am not worried about killing / or not killing bacteria but I worry that the ozone will break down plant nutrients ....? I also worry that the by-products of bpa ozoneation will be toxic......but maybe i dont need to worry, will these chems evaporate out with aeration, will the BPA? is that what you are trying to say Junkie? also another question, would it help if i pretreated the plastic with heavy does of o3 , would that draw out the BPA, or would it more likely dissolve the whole pipe to nothing?

yes, I am concerned about that, I guess I should elaborate, in my system there are also fish, plants and lots of aeration. will aeration alone be able to dissolve/dissipate this chemical? I am using water grade pvc, but they mention not to let it sit in the sun, which is a flaw in my design, also why i am expecting to need to worry about BPA, I realize o3 will kill the microbugs too, if need be i will isolate the water from the system for o3 sterilization and allow o3 to dissipate before reintroducing, but i won't be changing the ph too much, but my concern is the plant nutrients , will they decompose too in o3>? ... and again the by-products, but it sounds like there is little concern there. some statistics I found were: France set its safe level of BPA exposure at 0.0025 ppb per day ........... this would be ideal European Union’s limit is 600 parts per billion of BPA per kilogram of food,..........prolly more feasible and Japan’s limit is 2,500 ppb ...... too high for my comfort ... but i dont know what the rate of leakage is for pvc pipes , but since water is in closed loop circuit the contamination will be accumulative... since uv light works, i already have one installed..... would that on its own be enough/a good idea?

the problem comes from that i want to keep water in rain barrels and cycle it with pvc pipes , so the bpa will accumulate from my plastics "leaching" I hope i am able to break it down with ozone to safer substances, also would UV light work to break down the bpa?

from link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18752822 some of the contents: catechol, orthoquinone, muconic acid derivatives of BPA, benzoquinone and 2-(4-hydroxyphenyl)-propan-2-ol. aliphatic acids or aldehydes, quote:The formation of these latter products would not be favored under water treatment conditions.\\ are all these chems unsafe to be in drink water, or just the last 2? do they say that (from quote) because of the wide range of contaminants in waste water? would ozone work to treat my tap/bottled water for bsa? thanks!

ack! I'm very sorry guys you keep mentioning that it is only for gas phase, idk why i keep blocking it out! thanks again for all the patience! Yah, I get basically what you are saying with the nerst eq, but only basically, all the numbers get me lost , and mostly only understand in relationship from my electronics edu on cells. Actually I'm also interested in the effects of a current flow, but please just a simple description, it also brings up a question for me about things like different flows and potentials at different points.... and how fast do they travel...is it related to the em wavelength and speed of light

how misleading?

Hi, still wrapping my brain around all this! and i think i get it now, but i keep hitting a wall, partially due to the fact that alot of the web confuses IP to be the same as IE, so turning to the electrolysis of water i need at least 1.23 volt to start an electrolysis process, also i discovered a thing called overpotential, which says i actually need 1.5volt to overcome activation barriers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water does that mean my ionization potential is 1.23 volt? and is that regardless to volume & size and more to do with electrode spacing? and if so , how do i calculate volts required for x distance between electrodes? thanks!

hardly brush, usually floss, visit the dentist regularly , eat drink lots of coffee/sugar, smoke, countless number of cavitys all along my gum line and constant work needs doing, no teeth lost yet at 35yrs old, one is almost dead, and will need to be pulled soon. overall , why chance it, odds are they will be all gone when im older

maybe later on we could proceed with semi-conductors, but for now im still curious as to how conductors work in this situation, for example in a reaction similar to electroplating where my copper anode metal "Migrates" to the brass cathode, how would it go about? ie: 1)first i charge my anode to the ionization voltage 2) the anode atoms then migrate to the brass cathode where they bind. 3) this reaction will use up current/power/ev based on reaction volume & time. 4) but what happens with the electrolyte, wouldn't having it cause conduction and therefore a "leakage current" ? Is there a way to minimize this loss/ or is there another way to compensate? (Or maybe im just over thinking) 5) also in this situation what if i wanted to multiply the production rate? would that mean doubling the current, which would mean doubling the voltage input? also maybe i am confused about how to get to second ionization energy, am i mistaken that ionized particles dont necessarily conduct? for example , i charge my material to the first ionization voltage, it starts to conduct causing current, now how do i get to second ionization, is it just a matter of turning volts up to second ionization potential, will there be additional leakage current, (again maybe overthinking)

oya, that also brings up another question, or2, like does negative ionization affect the molecules coheision the same way positive does? ie are negative ions more chemically stable? also,heh, i have always wondered what would happen if a lightning strike hit a pvc tube full of water, would that split the H & O (if it didnt split the pipe)? 0.6v? isnt the first ionization potential of Si 8v? That explination of ionizing gases makes sense but then what about in the terms of liquids/solids, such as water and our silicon and/or liquid salt, does this migration happen in these situations too?

edit: how much volts amps, would I need to remove the second ionization shell, wouldnt the conductance of the "first ionizaton" particles cause current leakage making it harder to volt up?

thanks again for all the help, I have been busy pondering these things and i think i understand basically how it is working , I know i have questions still, but not sure what they are! Another thing that is crossing wires is what is ionization, we mentioned that when salt is dissolved in water it becomes ionized, then it conducts electricity, does the same hold true when we are talking about ionization energy, ie, if i were to ionize silicon, would that put it in to a conductive state? also, if i do ionize silicon, by applying a certain volts + amps, and it is now conducting, how would I get to remove the second ionization shell? maybe i am confused about this as well, but: when i think of ionization i think of +ve volts being applied to a material causing a static charge, without a ground, but that is contradictory to my knowledge of electrolysis where i would want a closed loop circuit, ?

not sure about the second part but its better to look at your equation like this: H + OH = H2O or acid + base = water

ok i get it, DMFC's need reduction to hydrogen to work, also i get that there is corrosion if we don't use platinum electrodes, I heard someone came out with a "black paint" that makes for solid electrodes, but i wonder what is the property that makes platinum durable? More curious to me is the membrane, or any membrane for that matter, what are the properties that define a good material for proton exchange? ie, what is it that allows H+ to pass through but nothing else? also I dont understand how salt bridges work, i guess these are a little different, could be considered electron exchange membranes?

Just started reading about these, seems there has been recent activity from a company called Bloom , who is able to host a fuel cell that costs $8000 per kw, Another company has made claim that they are able to do 1000$ per kw, but according to the review nothing has come out of production yet. http://www.technologyreview.com/news/518516/an-inexpensive-fuel-cell-generator/ .....also they do not answer their phone, not what i look for in my first choice. I am looking for something in the 10kw range and will be feeding it natural gas. So , i wonder , is it possible to get a fuel cell for myself, without being a corporation? and what type of cell do i need? , any suggestions of where i can get one? and what i should get? I am assuming that when they talk about electrolyte, they mean more than a salt bridge, and this would be way too difficult to make my own...