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Well he may or may not be a genius. Genius is has to be shown. Like or dislike him he is brilliant. I know some of you have said it is the people who work below him. But organizing these businesses is some accomplishment. We may not know what his endgame is but good or bad he is going after his goals. We don’t like it, but we have to admit it is a brilliant way to screw us. I’m not familiar with Elon being a nazi. The U.S. did have true nazis in the space program. They knew rocket science. I don’t know the complete history. So I don’t know about the legal process for their work. After WWII the Soviet Union also competed for German scientists. I think Elon is an asset to the United States. Remember if him and Trump fail we have a new administration in 4 years. The democrats act like there is nothing they can do. Bring a lawsuit. But democrats are just a vicious as republicans. I think they can handle Elon.

I don’t know either way. Sometimes we base things on sort of myths we piece together. Musk’s perceived personality is conflicting accounts. I think he did make important contributions to SpaceX, Tesla. I think he is a genius. But genius doesn’t equal personality. He is following the standard book of a mad scientist in that he wants control. So he decides who has a job. Again this proves he is a genius. He convinced everyone this saves money and prosperity. He claims it will improve the economy and lower the deficit. But it makes perfect sense to have a genius in charge of the economy, government, and people’s lives. What could go wrong?

He is just a man. But what is it you like or dislike about him? Whatever your opinion, give the example of what he did.

Well again I was agreeing with you. I was just was stating what the podcast said. It takes at least 3 months to complete the study. I am unfamiliar in these processes. But I think it had something to do with the window to reach Mars. But remember anything to do with space is inherently dangerous. The day Challenger launched it had 6ft ice sickles on it. Red tape is real. If you ever dealt with it, as you probably have. But you don’t destroy the entire agency. Many times I waited for months as my file sat on a desk. It needed a signature that would take 5 minutes only to sit on another desk for another 5 minute signature. It was like the government agency did this on purpose. So I understand why deregulation is backed. But you don’t destroy the entire agency. I mean you don’t cancel aid to starving kids to get revenge on the regulations we are all subject to.

You’re right he is just testing the waters. It will lead to the agency he really doesn’t want. Or even the threat of dismantlement would influence agencies.

Well I still don’t understand his motivation. I don’t know economics but I don’t think cutting funds in the millions could “directly” transfer for his use. You may actually lose more money by creating new problems. Wouldn’t Trump fund his space projects anyway? What are you guys conspiracy theories? What is Elon’s motive? He could have all the funding he wants without “cutting waste.” Why dismantle the government agencies? If the money benefited him I understand. Cutting programs doesn’t solve his legal problems, does it?

I am agreeing with you. I all about stopping waste, but this isn’t the way to do it. These programs took years to establish. No one knows the criteria for identifying waste. When you take out the FDA, you are just paving the way for eliminating the Affordable Care Act. He knows how to put projects together. I don’t think things like Space X would be there without him. But I don’t think he is motivated by money. To me it doesn’t make sense he is dealing in government affairs and saving money. I thought he would be totally focused on Mars. The following is just my figuring but trashing a government program doesn’t save money. It wastes all the effort put in the program. People lose aid. It doesn’t get rid of the need. And you can’t just replace the program. I heard the following on an Elon Musk podcast on Audible. Elon needed to launch at a certain date, but was told he had to complete a 3 month FAA study; something to do with using the air space for launch. Now eliminating such a bureaucratic policy makes sense. That is waste. I like Elon Musk the guy who saved the US space program. I don’t think he should be trashing government programs. i know what people think. “He made rockets for a fraction of the cost of the trillion dollar NASA rockets that are never built, imagine what he could do with the government.“

Well I am joining this topic late after reading the previous posts. But I think science is going to improve in the current administration. The problem is science is going to advance but at what cost. Not of money, because if the science is not profitable it will be trashed. If better means faster spacecraft or more powerful weapons we will be better. I’m impressed by Elon Musk’s accomplishments. He gets things done but not without making the people working for him miserable. I write this description of him based on his biography. I’m not an academic but cutting $37 million from a few thousand researcher and planning a trillion AI doesn’t add up. The question is how long before he cuts a program you use? We will have to see how this plays out. Trump knows we need research. And Elon’s Twitter experiment is still going on. I just wished we knew how it turned out before we used it to eliminate waste in government.

Remember I am not for getting rid of teachers. The ai does not have to teach to ruin higher education. All it has to do is ruin the discipline you teach. I use to write as a hobby. It is hard enough to get things seen in the sea of the internet let alone competing with ai. Then to add insult to injury the machine learns (copies) what you create and now can write if it was you. Prorammers are next. Sure it can help with code compatibility, but if this thing recognizes patterns it is in control of the code. It will be able to see things we don’t. And finally mathematics. It may not design and create math as well as humans, but it will have obscure facts, especially in statistics, about the average time the play clock moved before each team snapped the ball in the Super Bowl. Know matter if it is brilliant or crap 💩 it risks the chance of ruining disciplines. I know it isn’t all bad. The processing could help use find cures or inventions. What I am saying is nothing new. You would better understand my position if you read “The Cyberaid.” The most important thing teachers can supply is in person instruction. Machines can’t do this. But I have had classes where you are left to figure the project from instructions and the instructor input is only to tell you what you did wrong. No resubmission. They just grade it. Couldn’t an ai do the same?

Scientifically we cannot describe “nothing.” But what if nothing described something that didn’t exist yet? Take your own life before your cells existed. A few seconds earlier it wouldn’t be you it would be a different person. So you are nothing because you didn’t exist and under different conditions may not have existed. So before you existed you viewed of the universe was nothing. Would it be the same for the universe?

I don’t know the true capabilities of AI. You could argue it isn’t thinking. But its ability to find patterns (Some that we don’t even understand.) is remarkable. But even if our thoughts are more advanced, more creative it doesn’t matter. Take board games we might perform better on D&D, but anything that has a logical pattern the AI will dominate. Say this thing learns statistics and game theory. Even without it the pattern recognition and speed of processing mimics how we think and is beyond our abilities. I saw a YouTube video with a computer machine learning Super Mario Brothers that did nothing for weeks but little by little played the game. Well I am for education and teachers. However while you could say teachers design curriculum an AI can train on it. I heard somewhere AI was training on Khan Academy. You can’t replace the instruction and feedback of a teacher, but a self study or preparing for a licensing exam would be perfect for AI. Even if you feel like AI can’t do your job, it can still train and spit out junk that works good enough to substitute in your place. Bottom line I don’t like it. It’s not the computer’s fault. Someone is trying to make money ripping (training) on others content. And I think the 500 billion AI initiative would by better spent on space and other projects.

Well I used that example because your job is next. I believe any creative endeavor will as you guys say “change” will be less valuable. Do you think AI can’t teach? It can summarize the notes and provide reading. College is mostly self studying. So if the AI wrote the test from the curriculum not only could it make custom tests, it could add a time limit and proctor the exam. I understand it will change the way students study. That doesn’t worry me. I use art as the example that if you paint a picture then the AI copies it and draws a thousand more variations is your painting still special?

That is exactly how it ruins things. You could say it just does the grunt work, but where do you draw the line. CharonY you might do protein folding. It’s million of steps that you can’t process without a computer anyway. So you input into the computer. But when is your part of the process no longer needed? Read about the poetry machine in the Cyberaid. I know there are benefits, but it’s like you invented the heart health cereal Cheerios then someone makes the generic Toasty Oats for $2 cheaper. Even if Cheerios is better in taste and ingredients, why would you make a product if AI was going to copy it and decrease it’s value? We are a set of old encyclopedias that Wikipedia has just replaced.

That is what they said about manufacturing jobs. It is not just about eliminating repetitive tasks, it ruins the creative process. Today artwork and music, writing essays, writing fiction all ripped off and buried in endless examples. Just as no one can beat the computer at chess, the AI doesn’t need to be advanced to ruin disciplines.

Well then you should post a screenshot of both problems and their answers.