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George Orwell actually!

Well I was going to leave it there but I want to reply to this! There was ONE photograph of the earth until 1992, now there are many composite images, all of which are photoshopped "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them!"

Ok, I Guess I am becoming obstinate for obstinacy's sake now! Thanks for the replies and thanks for the time. I have learned from this board, however unlikely it may seem, but I do still have some reservations based on my own observations. I bid you all a happy new year and hope you may all find the truth, whatever the truth may be! Farewell

If you care to read the comments on that page, you will find that the pendulum has been disproved as much as has proved anything, * it changes course during an eclipse *sometimes it does not rotate at all, sometimes clockwise and sometimes anti clockwise. I believe that science relies on experiments that are repeatable and that give the same results EVERY TIME, so you cant really say that this is incontrovertible proof. ...but you say that it is rotating, and it MUST be rotating to account for clouds, airplanes and the cannon ball experiment. You are saying that a compound of gasses rotates with the earth, at the same speed, never loses momentum, and that there is no point at which this atmosphere stops spinning. Sounds absurd tio be honest, how can you say that question has no meaning? 1. Only if you are the sort of person who accepts what he is told is true and builds their entire philosophy around that. id you get told that Santa Clause would come into your house through the chimney when you were a child? Even though it was complete BS and all the evidence was stacked against it, EVERYBODY repeated the same lie, so you accepted it. I'm sure that as you grew older and began to think for yourself, the story changed. 2 a. everything does this, it is called perspective. One of my favorite beaches is six miles across the sea from an island. If the earth was curved, the shore would be 28.3 feet below the horizon, but I can clearly see the tea shop on the shore, and have visited it by kayak (it is a regular sized building not elevated 28 feet!) Here, the rails, horizon and even the stone chippings all disappear at the same point b. This is true on a flat or round earth c. An excerpt from the script " heliocentrists claim that lunar eclipses are caused by the shadow of the ball-Earth occulting the Moon. They claim the Sun, Earth, and Moon spheres perfectly align like three billiard balls in a row so that the Sun’s light casts the Earth’s shadow onto the Moon. Unfortunately for heliocentrists, this explanation is rendered completely invalid due to the fact that lunar eclipses have happened and continue to happen regularly when both the Sun and Moon are still visible together above the horizon! For the Sun’s light to be casting Earth’s shadow onto the Moon, the three bodies must be aligned in a straight 180 degree syzygy, but as early as the time of Pliny, there are records of lunar eclipses happening while both the Sun and Moon are visible in the sky. Therefore the eclipsor of the Moon cannot be the Earth/Earth’s shadow and some other explanation must be sought." d. No we can't there is no place other than the very most southern oceans and on a latitudinal plane that one can sail around the world. IF the world was round, this would be a relatively short voyage (it would also be incredibly dangerous) and if, for example, you were to sail in an eastward direction, the Antarctic would always be to your right. There would be no way of telling if you were sailing around a landmass, or around a circular barrier that encloses the earth, other than the time taken to complete the journey. If you would care to check, every explorer in the antarctic has had problems with trying to pinpoint themselves, and all have reported massive discrepancies according to their reckoning. It is forbidden to fly over the Antarctic (inexplicably!) and there are no routes anywhere that encircle the southern hemisphere, indeed, if you wish to fly from, say Argentina to South Africa, you will inevitably encounter a stop off in the northern hemisphere! e. this is beside the point f. We have ONE photograph of the earth from space, it shows an obviously photoshopped image of a perfectly spherical earth. It does NOT show an oblate spheroid! The same people who created this picture have all the calculations, what if we can't trust these people, and if they lie about the shape of a planet, we surely cannot trust everything they say! g. here are 200 other things to take into account http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html Sorry, this does not make sense! It either spins or does not, where does this magical boundary exist where the rotation, (which must be 000's of MPH) suddenly stops? Very scientific, if you can't win an argument, attack the opponent! If you are going to start insulting my intelligence, please show me some concrete evidence that can be repeated that will always have the same conclusion. You only know what you have been taught! My "evidence" is what my eyes tell me, what my mind can compute. ALL the evidence I see tells me that the earth is not moving. Why, if you are so clever, does this argument rage on still after thousands of years discussion? Because, there is not one single,definitive answer, even after all this time! if you can say this, " I find it hard to believe that you use a computer ( and can presumably feed and dress yourself)" Then I think it only fair to reply with "You are a sheep, you practice "herd think mentality" and accept what you are told even though your own experience does not agree with your paradigm"

....and.. that's it? That is your scientific answer? I think you don't know but you just can't bring yourself to say that! I would have thought this topic would produce a lively discussion but it seems that nobody knows. I have an inquiring mind, I'm not afraid of ridicule or of asking questions that others would think foolish, but, as stated earlier, I am not happy just to take someone's word on it, even if the majority think that way because the majority is always wrong! None of you said a thing between you that has convinced me that the world is spinning, is there no evidence?, is this because the world is not spinning?

The reason I posted this topic on a science based forum was to get a scientific answer to my questions. Of course I understand that if the atmosphere must spin with the earth, if the earth is indeed spinning at all! This is the root of the question. Neither you, nor anyone else has answered my question of where the outer reaches of the atmosphere stop spinning, it's not been explained at all, how do you mean "keep explaining in different ways." If my being here asking questions offends you, I'm happy to go elsewhere!

Thats exactly what I'm doing studiot ! I'd never heard about the hymalayas effecting gravity like that, and your explanation of level is very enlightening and answers some of my other questions, thank you! As a carpenter, I use levels every day but never in the lengths we are talking about. It does not explain the spinning atmosphere though! To explain further, I'm not a flat earth believer but this video has me moving towards sitting on the fence, I'm an intelligent person but did not have a good education. I do like to listen to both sides and make up my own mind when I have the facts We know that science has not always been played out on a level playing field in the past, even less so these days, so I will not blindly accept what it says unless it makes perfect, logical sense!

I searched the internet and found as many posts saying they do as there were saying they don't. I'm looking for some concrete evidence so I've put a pin in it for now. Thanks John, but this doesn't explain my question, it brings more questions! I understand that this could cause hurricanes to spin in opposite directions ( a fact i'd never heard of before) A man standing at the equator is travelling 1000Mph faster than a man at the North pole (the South pole is inexplicably out of bounds for everybody on earth), hmm, does this effect time/space? anyway, please explain where this spinning atmosphere ends?

With respect Genius, this indicates that the earth isn't spinning, unless the atmosphere is spinning at the same relative speed, as does this, ...but I can't get my head around this, if the atmosphere spins at the same speed as the earth (faster as we get higher), then the outer reaches of the atmosphere are moving incredibly fast, but there seems to be no evidence of this. Also, where I live,, the prevailing winds come from the west, but sometimes from the east. Being a keen sport kite flyer, I tend to pay a lot of attention to wind direction and I have often seen clouds moving in the opposite direction to the low level wind, meaning that wind can blow in at least two directions at the same time, whilst the outer reaches of the atmosphere are travelling at incredible speeds always easterly, surely this would cause some sort of uniformity in the upper reaches? I know that if you drop a bullet at exactly the same time as you fire one from a gun, both bullets will land at exactly the same time, even though one of them could be two miles or more away. This would be true in all directions, N,W,E,S. Surely the E and W directions would vary between themselves and with the N and S!

No, not my video and I have no alterior motive with relation to it, just something that got me thinking, what I need some sciency guys here! ....so if the "edge" of the atmosphere is 300 miles out, is it still spinning with the earth? if so, it would be extremely fast! Another point he makes is that you would not be able to see islands across the water, one that I recall was in Greece and was 70miles away but could be seen nfrom the shore with the naked eye, and that distant buildings would appear to lean away. (hope you dont find me troublesome)

Thanks for the replies guys! "atmosphere, filled with air, which isn't nothing. If you fire the cannon into the atmosphere, the atmosphere is moving with us. Same with your airplane in question 3." I was thinking about this, so the atmosphere spins with the planet but where is the cut off for this? ( I wasn't going to insult you by posting the video, I realise that it's not exactly scientific and I'm no crackpot, I just need some answers!

A friend sent me a you tube video titled " 200 proofs that the world is not a spinning ball" Some of the guy's science seemed crackpot but there were a few points that really got me thinking. Discussion with friends and family haven't managed to solve any arguments. I hope you sceince lovers can help me put some questions to bed; 1, Railways, roads, pipelines and bridges are all made perfectly flat/level. If the earth is spherical, they would have to allow a curvature of 8 inch per mile. 2, If you fire a cannon perfectly plumb without any wind, the ball will land back to earth close to the cannon. How could this be if the earth is spinning at 9Mps? 3, If an airplane set off west, it would travel considerably faster than a plane travelling east relative to the earth, as the earth spins in an easterly direction. Further to this, commercial liners fly at around 550-650 Mph, the speed of rotation is around 1000Mph, this would mean the planes travelling east would actually go backwards relative to the earth! These are just a few of the items bothering me but if someone could explain this it should help me get my head around it (a bit!) Thanks!