Raider5678

You're right. Context is important. So why don't you provide some for your posts, instead of stopping at 10 words or less? If you want to discuss this, great. Otherwise, your posts really don't make a lot of sense to me, and I'd wager to say they're confusing to a lot of others in this thread.

I was referring to a different experiment, though that article was an interesting read. https://www.prisonexp.org/

Surely you can be above stooping so low as to throw petty insults and then mock me with "did that offend you?" If that is your response to my statements, rather then telling me where you actually disagree with them, then perhaps you're the one who needs to "grow up."

To be fair, he is right in several aspects. There was a study where they took groups of people and put them in a situation where half of them were prisoners, and the other half were guards. The guards, despite showing no prior indication of being cruel or controlling, almost universally began to abuse their power.

And once again, you are taking my posts out of context and putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. It's easy to pick out a single word from each quote of spin it into something that it's not. However once again, that is misquoting me. Which is against the forum rules. And wrong, mind you. Please, reframe from doing this. I have already provided an entire post where I explain in detail how this greatly differs from what I actually said when you take it out of context.

Alright. Moving on.

Bananas.

Edit: decided it was off topic. I sent it in a PM. Edit 2: ANd I screwed it up when I went to copy and paste it. Nevermind.

I'm not sure about other religions, however, the Judeo Christian religion prohibits them from testing their God. I thought it was concluded that the people who were being prayed for were less likely to take their medicine as well? IIRC. I could be wrong.

What is the answer?

The first part you quoted is replying to you asking me if I'd get offended by someone calling me "a smart boy". It wasn't me calling them not smart ridiculous people for anything, anywhere, for any offense. It was for that specific statement, in the specific context of what you said it as. Not, as you so claim, me saying that it applies to anyone who gets offended over being called a stupid woman. The second part you quoted, was me saying what would happen if I acted butthurt when people bullied me. I wasn't saying anyone who didn't like being bullied is butthurt. Additionally, once again, it applied to a very specific context. Mine. I even started it off with "In my experience." I didn't say "in every situation." Not, as you once again claimed, me calling people who get offended at "stupid woman" being butthurt. The only part you didn't take out of context entirely was the third one, which is where I say I think they're being oversensitive. I still stand by that. But once again, it was only in the context of a single statement. If we're going to talk about mutual respect then you should start by not taking what I've said out of context in an attempt to make a point.

And I'd agree with that. But, mutual respect goes further than that. Including making an effort to understand the other person's intentions, before handing him over to the lions(In this case, the media). Which is what we're attempting to do. You're free to be offended by it. I'm free not to be. But we're also free to have a discussion about whether it's sexist or not.

If this is the case, then I feel that I should clarify that most of my discussion points are related to whether or not the phrase "stupid woman" is sexist in the context that it's used.

And this is a strawman. It's already been pointed out that this discussion is not about whether or not women experience sexism or not. The discussion is about phrasing and it's relation to sexism.

I'm more than certain that it'll generally remain true. Yes, I'm for real. There is a difference between a sarcastic compliment and a compliment. And the difference is obvious.

Pretty sure if their hope is that the negative connotations are picked up on, they should stop complimenting me. Saying "Hey, that kid's really good at his job" is not going to make someone sit there and think "Hmmmm. He's right. He's a kid. He might be too inexperienced to give these responsibilities." I'm pretty sure you don't mean actually getting beat up. But, assuming you did, the answer is no. But, assuming you're talking about something on context, such as being called a stupid woman, yes, I do think they're being oversensitive. I also think men who get offended over being called a stupid man are being oversensitive. I also think a lot of conservatives who get offended at being called an ignorant white male are being oversensitive. I think a lot of people are being oversensitive.

And I still disagree. I can put the conversation in context, as we're clearly seeing two different things. I just helped a much older coworker. The much older coworker then says "Hey, thanks for your help. You're pretty smart for a kid."

Because when they get past the word "that", saying "peers" just sounds weird. And saying "person" seems really awkward. So they say "That kid is pretty smart.".

I know people who refer to anyone younger than 30 as kids. Pretty sure it's because they're used to referring to people my age as kids. There are older people where I work who see me as a threat. I'd agree. I'd also agree that if I was older then them, they'd still see me as a threat. And quite frankly, I know of a few people who use my age as an insult, not a compliment, directly. It still doesn't offend me. In my experience, if I start acting butthurt about it they'll just do it more. It wasn't. Because I still hold to the opinion that getting offended over stuff like that is pointless. Unless you saw me in person. In which case I'd be slightly phased.

Selectively choosing to apply arguments, or do you have a reason for why it doesn't apply here? That's news to me.

Ultimately, I can't argue against this from any form of experience because I have yet to be an adult. That being said, I can still hear others complimenting people. And it's rarely them being praised for "doing what any other member of society can do." It's typically them being praised for something that not any other member of society can/will do. Hence why it's a praise.

Right...... Because somebody who says "You're a smart kid." is clearly trying to show me how immature I am, and is trying to put me in my place. Again, I am of the opinion that getting offended over stuff like this is not going to help me, or anybody else, in any way. I'm also of the opinion it's making it worse for others, by drawing ridiculous amounts of attention away from other situations where people actually do have problems with sexism and racism. And I acknowledge that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. And I'd be fine if that's what we were doing. But as a collective society, we're pretty simple-minded. So when we're spending days doing news reports on what somebody whispered under their breath, in a way that may or may not be sexist, we're not contributing to the real issues. We're shoving them under the bed.

Hey, look, there was my original argument as to why I don't consider the saying "stupid woman" sexist.

I've heard the phrase "You're surprisingly smart for a teenager your age." more times then I can count. I am convinced that the implication is that other teenagers are dumb. I still don't care. Happens more often then you'd think. I still really don't care, and it doesn't bother me. However, this is getting offtopic. Mainly, it was in response to the idea that getting offended by a compliment is akin to getting offended by something actually sexist/racist.

No. Because I'm smart enough to realize getting offended at something so trivial is ridiculous. Especially if you meant no offense by it. If I get offended by that, imagine how I'll react when somebody tells me something negative. It'd be like you handing me a lollipop and me getting offended at what color it is. Take the damn lollipop and put up with it, I say. But of course, this is all opinion.