Raider5678

Sorry. The automatic learned response when you've done something wrong and know it. 99% of the time, you don't mean it.

Sigh. He didn't choose oppression. He chose job.

Then perhaps you're suffering, from get this, just what I said, spontaneous orgasms. As in, spontaneous. No reason.

Still completely normal. Most likely, you were stressed. A release of dopamine was decided to be required, and most direct route was inducing an orgasm. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201310/the-three-surprising-types-spontaneous-orgasms

Still awkward.

Recently had a very awkward conversation about that.

Psychologists.

I saw you say in an earlier post, that you always eat meat so that others will hopefully accept you. You're adding to that body count. Also, that makes you a hypocrite. Which dog can talk? Show me. Evidence. Sources. Now.

Which is why the three things I asked for included A: The ability to think logically. Ravens have that ability. Also, since we can't seem to be able to agree whether it should be intelligent, sentient, etc, we should come up with some way to class animals based on their mental and social abilities. I'm gonna try to come up with a class system. Give me some slack, it's basically so we can have some guidelines. We can change it if need be. Like humans would be a class 5. Not because I think humans are perfect and beat everything, but we have A: The ability to think logically. B: The ability to create language. C: The ability to feel emotion. D: The ability to question our own orgins. E: A lot of other things. Either way, here goes. Animal Conscientiam Classes Class 1 Animal: Little to no logical ability, no ability to communicate, operates mainly on instinct. Class 2 Animal: Small to little logical ability, little to no ability to communicate, Sometimes reasons against instinct. Class 3 Animal: Moderate logical ability, small ability to communicate, Can reason against instinct, little to no emotions. Class 4 Animal: Large to Moderate logical ability, moderate ability to communicate, doesn't rely on instinct, has emotions. Class 5 Animal: Large logical ability, Ability to communicate with a complex language, doesn't rely on instinct, has emotions. Now to clear some things up. A complex language can include sign language, but it has to have nouns, adjetives, verbs, etc. Even ancient languages, simple as they were compared to today, would easily be considered a complex language. A moderate ability to communicate can include Apes, which some have been taught some sign language. While not overly complex, it's a fairly decent ability to communicate. Dogs, I would say have small ability to communicate. They whine when they want something, bark to signal somethings up, they have play bows, etc. Fish I would say have little to no ability to communicate. Maybe I'm wrong, correct me here. And for no ability to communicate, I'd say worms or germs. Stuff like that. As for the instinct part. I didn't say humans have no instincts. I said we can reason against them, and we do on a fairly common basis. The strongest instincts obviously, like fear, is a different matter. Other animals, like snakes, rely on instinct much more. I'd also say, any animal capable of using a complex language, would be considered a class 5. Tell me what you think about this. Remember, it's not a scientific thing. It's just something I figured would be useful. We can figure out specifics later.

I wouldn't doubt it. But considering it's a topic only meant to criticize science forums, I doubt I'll get in trouble for going off topic.

Funny you should mention this, we're actually having a perfectly fine scientific discussion on whether or not animals are sentient.

Yes. Language, I believe, is directly related to consciousness. Language gives you the ability to put into meaning what you see. Even if you can't speak it. You think in the language you know. A dog can see food and think of the feeling that it gets when it eats, and decide to eat. But it's instinct. It's sense of smell simply registers good or bad. Same with taste, feeling, and hearing. Good or bad. Now while a dog might not be the best example, because dogs can be pretty smart, that's what I think most animals go by. Simply deciding if somethings good or bad. One universal thing in the human language, is the fact that words can be rearranged to mean something totally different. Maybe animals can communicate "danger" "food" "water" and they can obviously do body motions like pointing or dancing, but can they communicate the idea "Danger by water."? Language, is complex. But in it's simplest form, I think it has to be able to communicate ideas just a tad bit more then just saying "danger." Otherwise, it's just a behavior.

What is your definition of sentience?

What would be the correct word?

Split from Anti-Human thread. First, what makes an animal sentient? I defined it as A: Being able to think logically. B: Having emotion and being self aware C: Having a language of some sort. I would, if I had to, say dauphins were the closest animal to meeting all three of these requirements.

That's the plan my good friend. That's the plan.

That poor dying bird.......

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So it really would be some high school bloke being drafted as a doctor for 2 years?

As in graduated? So basically people who graduated?

I'm missing something. I have literally no idea what the heck "School leavers" means.

So everyone who graduates from school, has to become a doctor for 2 years. Yeah. That's who I want doing my physical. A high school jock worried about getting home to his girlfriend.

Is this in the United States??????? Also, what is a school leaver?