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I guess the answer is science doesn't know. Why guess?

Since you say nothing your post, what can I say? The idea that nature was the same on earth in the past is not a fact or real knowledge or science. It is a belief. I suspect that in the former nature (different according to history and scripture records) evolving occurred to living animals and man. I suspect that most animals on the planet and mankind could not leave remains, therefore no fossilized remains. That means that stringing together what life existed using the fossil record is a joke. It also means genetica vcannot trace back to the former world and time. That means you have nothing but religion pal. My claim is that we do not know what nature was like (laws and forces) on earth in the far past. That is supported by your fail to be able to support a claim it was the same. I win. Not true. TOE is a foolish fable based on beliefs and ignorance and misinterpreting the fossil and genetic records etc. Don't try and ride the coattails of actual science or knowledge. The theory of evolution is neither. Yes evolving did and does happen. No, we do not share ancestors with flatworms. This is news? That does not help your fable.

Then start anytime pal. I see nothing yet that even relates to what time is like in the distant universe. You have ONE observation point in all the universe. Nothing supports that time is the same in the whole universe, and you have posted nothing. You serious?? That is not news and who cares? There is light that gets bent out there. Apparently it seems like it must be gravity that had to have bent it. Nothing out there exists that could bend light eh? As for gravity, we need to know actual distances to stars to get the size and mass etc. That way we might have some inkling as to how much gravity is actually at work! Sorry, your religion is circular and belief based. Sorry you thought it was actual science. In other words you try to apply fishbowl time to the unknown universe. You also try to apply fishbowl space. Neither are known to exist in all the universe that is only believed. Period. As for GR that is relative to the fishbowl only. It doesn't even deal with what time actually is in any event! You have only one observer. One observation point in all the universe. You have just projected! Irellevant since the fishbowl is not in question or how space and time here work here! In other words you have no clue whatsoever about any time out of the fishbowl. No fishbowl logic or doubt or belief matters! Show how time is a law of physics!? Get real. ? No space exists? What would you call where the stars are...strawberry custard? You have been told to stop peddling your beliefs as science. Of course no proof exists that time is the same in all the universe. Your problem is that no evidence exists either. No tests. No observations! Foolish dream and unsupportable religion. No one cares what you doubt or believe! The issue is whether you know time is the same in all the universe. You do not. Period.

Big news: Scientists place several pieces off spaghetti on table and envision how the spaghetti monster may have formed billions of imaginary years ago. Wow. No it is not. Your beliefs imposed and foisted onto the record are all that you considered evidence. The fossil record is not known to have been laid down in the present nature. Nor are genes today known to have existed the same in the past. Because they have chosen lies. False.

Then feel free to support the claims as science. Nice story. You have seen no time but in the fishbowl. No space either. In both cases you do not even know what they are! Your claim they 'evolved' in some fantasy far away and long ago is a fable and unsupportable. Meaningless. Like we'd ask a priest, a plumber a politician or a pedophile? You should learn how to say I don't really know. Nothing to ignore. You have not shown that time is the same in the far universe. Why pretend? Changed my mind. You have another chance. four years is a long time. In other words you admit knowing what time is like here, but not anywhere else. Yout approach and special appeal is basically 'hey, it is like that in the fishbowl so it golly gee must be the same in all the universe;. Forget laws, we were talking about time. You cannot see time. So make no claims that time is the same everywhere. Easy. Here it is.. ?=? Now admit it. Except you forgot to post...any at all! So what we should believe blindly what you believe?? By the way I find it just as easy to get cowardly liars and phonies to ban me rather than doing the work myself. They like to call anything out of their belief system personal views or whatever. That is because they cannot honestly debate and have no case and can'r debate worth a darn, and are biased and ignorant while pretending they represent knowledge or actual science.

Or what was created...whatever. Believe what you like. I happen to know the reasons that that fable exist, so you can preach elsewhere. Prove it. All observer sare in one tiny speck in the universe, so you have no observers anywhere else. (our solar system area) You thought your religion got to define what reasonable was? Ha.

Except that by basing models on the belief it is a claim if you say the models are correct. You have also not tested what time was like in the far universe in any test. Face it. Otherwise, cite the test. Well, theories can be tested. Beliefs can't. (at least science beliefs). Name the test for what time is like in far space? What theory?! There is no theory that has been offered here that deals with time and the nature of time in the far universe. Anything that ever worked, or works is in the fishbowl. Nowhere else. Admit ignorance where it is appropriate. Sorry, it is you that lacks understanding unlesss you demonstrate otherwise. Hey, you claimed it applies and I asked for support. No wiggling. We do have time here in the fishbowl actually. It very much affects all we see. the speed of light, for example! By the way, you claim that if time was different how do you propose that you would observe this!? Time should appear but does not! They call is space or distance only. You see they take a huge swath of this fishbowl (solar system area) and then try to imagine it does not involve or include time! They draw a line to a star as if time and space were homogeneous. Unless they are, the measure is worthless. Since you don't seem to be able to prove that time is the same out there (or space) the claimed distances to stars and sizes etc are worthless.

There is no burden of anything for 'I don't know' Only those claiming they do know bear that puppy! And I did answer the question. You see all light here in the fishbowl from anywhere. You see, unless time existed the same out there, and space, there are no distances to any star known! So you are in posiyion to discuss from where. Forget physical space you made that up. You don't know what space is either! I suggest you tell us how anything about time translation symetry applies to deep space. Otherwise do not bring it up again. Define 'physical' space and then prove it also exists in the fringes of the universe?

You detect them from the fishbowl. Always. So then, show us the experiment in deepest space that shows it is the same? Yea, one light day. Big deal. By the way, if you think relativity tells us what time is, don't accuse others of not being familiar with it!

In wiki it mentions this regarding that theorem. "This theorem only applies to continuous and smooth symmetries over physical space." Need I point out that it does not even address time in deep space?

You do realize you live here in the fishbowl? Why would time NOT behave the way it does here?

Yes time is the same in the fishbowl. You have sent probes no further that that! To tell the truth, you mentioned the 'spatial translation' thing. I have only pointed out that we do not know what time is like in the rest of the universe. I never claimed it was any certain way.

Science gets into the metaphysical then, unless it knows! You assume time is a physical value. No. That is a guess. Irrelevant. All measures and observations are HERE IN the fishbowl in our time! That does not tell us what time is like anywhere else. If, for example, we observe that a decay seen in spectra takes 52 days of our time, that does not mean it involves that amount of time there. This is only assumed/believed. If we establish that it is not known what time is like out there, whatever you deem likely loses all value. No it won't. How would this even address what time itself out there is like!? Yes it is far, but still less than one little light DAY! That is the size of the fishbowl, and how far we can say we know about as fas as time.

Because the area where man has been or sent probes toit could only have bearing if time were uniform and the same in all points in the universe. That is not known to be true. No observer has ever left the fishbowl! (the area where man has been, or has sent probes to) Why would it, exactly?

OK, but that is something arbitrarily set. Time is not like length. Science does not know what time itself is.

No. He didn't. You see speed is basically something that happens in time. It tells us how much time is involved to move through space. If time were not the same out there, then we could not expect anything to take the same amount of time.

Fair enough. The problem is that whatever time is involved in light travel here where we test has no bearing to deep space...unless time there is the same. It does not prove time is the same it is just a clock in the fishbowl here. The issue is not whether it should or should not be the same. The issue here is whether we know it is. Great. So, you know there is momentum conservation is deep space because..?

What would you say that time is in the realm of physics?

Or perhaps someone here thinks we do know C in deep space? If so, how? To know any speed we need to know time. What time is like. On earth and the area of the solar system we do know that. We have probes that have gone almost one light day from here. Beyond this we do not really know what time is like. So, if time were not the same as here in this 'fishbowl', how we we know? We see and experience all things here in our time (and space_. Bottom line is that it is only assumed and believed that time is the same out in the distant universe. One implication of this would be that nothing in the universe could be said to have taken millions or billions of our years to get here!

link removed . Your belief in a same state past is a bizarre brand of immature nihilism is totally unproductive and a complete waste of time. Religion. .. .. bizarre brand of immature nihilism is totally unproductive and a complete waste of time. Try proving the same state past or stop claiming one. No attitude needed. It is a belief with zero proof. If we want pagan philosophy we'll cal you I guess. I was hoping someone would try to evidence prove or support the same state past used by science and believed by science. Or the same. Go figure. Why even talk if you can't take a position and defend it? This is not a position based on faith, but rather a position based on a lack of evidence. The absence of evidence is for the same state past. link removed Because of biased unfair lying mods I am closing my profile account now. You are fired.

There can be no dealing with evil liars and would be bullies. Ignoramuses in disguise. They knowingly lied. They can go to hell.

I was lied to again by the mods and asked to not speak about time? Ha. I prefer truth and honest to evil repression. Kids...run for you lives from here!!!

At least you're thinking. Now if time thinned in degree in some way as we got away from earth, we could not tell here. Here time is 'thick' or normal to us. Everything that comes in out time fishbowl has to obey OUR time space rules! No way to tell that way. As for galaxies being small, since you cannot know the size anything goes. Why not? Big small, I could go with evidence if there was any.

Thank you God. Let's hope you learned how little you know at least.

We were looking for something that might not follow normal rules out in the unknown, that you like to pretend is known. No it does not. Only in little imaginary mind games. If there was no time your math is garbage. Useless. Off topic. The T in your formulas isn't there! No, I prefer kids get taught truth. So far you pretend to know it all and try to sound smart but are ignorant and preachy and zealous for beliefs..