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Yes we do and the light is seen here in time that we have and know. Clocks are not time they mark time. See above. From your link.. "In astronomy, luminosity is the total amount of energy emitted by a star, galaxy, or otherastronomical object per unit time.." In other words we see it in our time here. Since that doesn't tell us time exists there you are spamming links and preaching faith here. Talk to us about that. What does that T stand for? I agree you should not be around kids teaching from your posts so far. Total religion and teaddle and pious sounding blabber, devoid of content, real relevance or even all that interesting. Work on that professor. Maybe. Maybe not. How long does it take an angel to move across the universe? Maybe what is out there is beyond the physical only and earth rules? We haven't been there how would you know? What if there were a stretched out space where time was stretched and space as we got further from earth? Why assume uniform time and space? Just admit we don't know. Is that so hard? Without time how could we have time dilation persay? Without as much time in the space and time mix, how could we have the time dilation we know here? You nerely preach belief that the universe conforms to your little world and misconceptions. Nothing is a far as you claim unless time exists and exists as it is here on earth! Nothing. Nada. Zip. Yes we have far away little things in space. More than that you don't know all that much. Change IN physics?? There needs to be physics to have a change in it. If there is no time as we know it in deep space, then your math is in the trashcan. Every formula that has that little T in it is savaged.

I doubt that. The frequency is only here! Any range is here. How much time that really is depends on if time exists in deep space. Nope. That involves time too. How fast something is moving away that is redshifted depends on what time is like in the apace time mix there! In fact, if time say, thinned out in the mix, or there was less time per space, then we have stars IN that mix. In fact a star would have been either created or born there. (depends on your opinion and belief). So what redshift means here does not equate. Glad you brought that up. So how would a lack of time alter a frequency?

You offer frequencies or light? Look, if time were not in deep space or spread thinner in the mix with space or whatever, then frequencies here mean nothing or light travel speed. Why? Because here they travel and behave as they must in time. Having trouble admitting you have not yet even addressed the issue? Ha. Hatred of the light eh? Now when I look at radiant flux I notice this.. "In radiometry, radiant flux or radiant power is the radiant energy emitted, reflected, transmitted or received, per unit time, ..." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_flux#units There is that pesky time again.

Why the same? Not sure, doesn't hurt to check. After all when something like a wave enters time here, hey, we might want to see how that would affect things if it came from somewhere beyond time. ?? How would you see time? They are all HERE! IN TIME. We see stuff here. Coffee machines too. Without time a redshift loses meaning. At least most meaning as per your grasp of things. My claims are that we don't know. Your understanding seems to confirm that in spades.

OK I'll look it up and post it if I am not banned by then. "He explained that, after the fission process had finished, a geological shift caused the Oklo reactor to sink a few miles below the surface - where it was preserved from erosion. A few million years ago, another shift brought the uranium deposits back to the surface." http://www.livescience.com/75-natural-nuclear-reaction-powered-ancient-geyser.html

Who cares what you 'believe'? The question is what you know. Stop talking about belief.

Need a link to show the sites were claimed to have been submerged miles under? You lie.

First of all we need to know laws are the same in space. Since the distances and sizes of what we see cannot be known (unless we first prove time as we know it here exists there) you don't even know how big or far away whatever you are looking at is. Next we should ask if anything affects the spectra from there to here. Now if we can do all that, we still have the issue of ..so what!? Who really cares if some object maybe the size of a basket ball that you thought was three times bigger than the sun is hot or cold? Some may have thought science knew something about the universe and past. Can't have that now.

No it can't! Stay tuned to next post for why You have produced no evidence just a smell so far. Oklo involved a series of miracles that had to happen. Things like a magic dunk. The whole site dunked miles under at just the right imaginary moment in time. Later at just the right time boom a magic elevator ride back up to the surface....need I go on with your fable?

That depends on if we get an answer and support for the position of science on whether time exists as it does here in deep space. My position is questioning whether we really know what time is, or whether it exists at all or the same in space. In fact I think you don't. So far all posters confirm this. Why flatter yourself? You do realize that takes time?? Ha. Think about it. Yes. It means time is involved. So if there was no time in deep space and something moved (waves for example) that means that when we see it here where there IS time it takes so much time here! Hoo ha.

You think you measure temperature. HOW MUCH time anything takes to move depends on how much time exists in space and time! Gotcha By the way I notice a trend here of people thinking discussion and debate means sitting at their feet and learning regurgitated nonsense rather than supporting a position.

Since I think this is your first post, it has about as much content as the other would be wizzes who posted. Cograts.

Wrong. Iight moves and takes time to move. Light moving is not time itself. If there were no time as we know it on earth in deep space then whatever moved including light could not TAKE as much time!=

I claim you don't know. Your models are based on limited criteria. How could they work in deep space? Let's see that! Seems like you are trying to piggyback on local earth uses of science and models? Once we see you do not know the world abounds in alternative beliefs! Stop preaching. Don't worry all the little kids I know are safe from you guys.

You could not answer. Is your mom proud? Let's see one where you do that for the far past on earth. You need to learn I see.

I get tired of biased mods. I was insulted by the one who closed the other thread and lied about. You different, or a confederate? Do not deny that you failed to show time exists in deep space. In any way at all.

No, we need to see it work in deep space for you to say that. I see nothing you have work there? Only if you talk. Because you need facts and more than faith and claims to make it interesting. I at least have interesting questions.

Me too, science should have more.

? Faith means believing without evidence and that is about the best definition for science that deals in origins. Since I had a thread closed for a bogus reason, and was insulted by the mod in the process, I know I will be banned. Here is a place one might discuss more freely.. http://www.christianforums.com/threads/what-is-time.7941706/ Who says it has to be a force IN physics? Think outside the box. Physics is fine in it's little place. Relax. To make a model one needs to have some grasp of what one has to work with. Science apparently doesn't meet that bar.

Me too, becase some here will not admit it. aLAS IN CASE THERE WAS SOME HONEST PERSON WANTING TO DISCUSS the issue there is a place http://www.christianforums.com/threads/what-is-time.7941706/ Basically it means believing without proof or real evidence just like cosmology and many life sciences do. You think you measured what laws existed in the past? No you have a circular belief system that is closed minded and simply assumes a certain state existed.

You say time is not a force. So what we are supposed to swallow that by faith alone? Of course time exists, so in OUR spacetime it exists in a certain blend, or mix or way.

Pot meet kettle. We will see who has the agenda. Well, actually I will be banned because of an agenda here soon. Fine with me. You have tested nothing either in deep space or the far past on earth actually. Ain't that a bitch?

That is well and good for earth. Well, if time is like a force that exists, it would be a real force. Like gravity is real. Why think of it as merely something relative to observers? That assumes that curvature is caused by what you think. It also assumes that the curvature represents what you think.

That doesn't work. What if time is independent of clocks and clocks just measure it? That is more like how time feels to observers and not what time itself is or isn't. Only if time exists. Otherwise we have no way of knowing velocity. How can one determine that is the case for stars? Yes in an airplane or satellite on earth it is... You can't do that. Not if t is supposed to be time. Excellent. That makes it clear spacetime tells us nothing about time existing, but is just a way to run imaginary lines. Not unless time and space exist in all coordinates.

Or maybe it is a real thing.