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I disagree with your line of argument. I have exactly the same amount of respect for President Trump and for Anders Breivik which is exactly zero...this piece of data does not tell you the whole picture of my opinion on both of these people now does it. But ofcourse that removing religion and substituting it with education is the solution. The Saudi royal family is a great example, most of them are really good, rational people, especially the younger generation which attended best US colleges.

I'm here now, my children are here now, why would I want to focus on 1400's Spain or pre-Islamic era? I'm sure there were serious disagreements between Australopithecus on who stole who's stick and it had nothing to do with religion but this is not in the slightest in the scope of my interest in the context of this thread. Please read my posts where I describe the Saudi religious regime and focus on this. I am not blind to what you wrote TenOZ and I acknowledge it but it seems to me that you and Dimreepr are completey blind to what Im saying in this thread. Put yourselves on a plane and go to Riyadh FFS. If they let you in that is because unless you have a business visa they don't want you to contaminate their religious regime.

Please provide evidence or at least a logical line of thought which leads to your assumption being remotely true in the case of Saudi's or any other conservative Islamic states. My line is this...I spent time with Saudi's, got to know them, participated in everyday life - every aspect of their culture is a derivative of religion. There aren't any aspects of their lives which are not directly controlled by religion. Starting from people sitting around in fast food places in malls acting like zombies communicating on blue tooth because it's not appropriate to talk in public and ending up in Muṭawwi acting like SS squads chasing innocent people down, throwing them in jail for ridiculous offences and/or cutting their hands of or publicly executing them. All of the cultural aspects are enforced by religious leaders, it's a religious regime period. Why is it so difficult for people to digest that? I live in a conservative Christian country, it doesn't get more conservative than Poland, the American south and a couple more places. Putting an equal sign between realities of conservative Christian countries and the conservative Islamic countries is just not right.

Cultural implications in fundamentalist Islamic states are an effect of religion not the cause. I'm going to keep on mentioning Saudi's as I have first hand insight on this...everything there revolves around religion, culture is 100% saturated and caused by religion.

That's kind of avoiding John Cuthber's question by gently implying a false premise that Christian and Islamic doctrines (or any other religious doctrine) are equally toxic in their implementation - they are not, at least not at this point in time.

To see the content I recently participated in I go to Activity->My activity streams->Content I posted in. Is there any other, shorter way of seeing the content I participate in? Also is there any way like in the previous engine to see unread content where the thread titles were bolded out and the no activity content was not bolded out? Im still getting used to the new GUI, I have to say though that the whole thing seems more stable and glitch free.

Phew.

My wife came across this today, please someone tell me this is fake news: http://cnn.com.de/news/donald-trump-says-earth-flat/

It works on iphone as well, awesome.

I confess to my inability to to lead a civil dialog on certain subjects. Would you show me how its done Imatfaal and answer bimbos question? This is not sarcasm, I'm genuinly unable to answer her question.

I too have a question I always wanted to ask you but havent had a chance untill now. Do you know the meaning of the word "Bimbo" ? https://www.google.pl/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=bimbo&amp=true

Oh please just drop it.

No. Concentrate and I'm sure you will understand.

Maybe if you weren't so much at peace you would actually understand what I'm saying.

I'm not claiming to have a complete solution. In a broad sense its obvious that striving towards educating people is the only real way of fighting ignorance.

The only thing I'm afraid of is people being at peace with themselves like the germans between late 1920's and late 1930's. Their inner peace and head turning stances led to mayhem.

Im not sure if this is directed at me but my idea is to first off spread the knowledge and react to people who are twisting the reality. Yes, this is one area which I envy you on. It certainly is blissful to be at peace with oneself.

Oh really...you think I dont get it do you. "Hate breeds more hate", "Fight evil with good", "Outsmart them instead of giving into the violence" Gee Dimreepr, you are full of yourself. Has it occured to you that you might be the one who doesn't get it?

Okay, I think I see where youre coming from now, heres where youre wrong; ISIS and "in your face" terrorism is not what we are discussing here and you are conflicting it with what I wrote so far. Fundamentalism which is present in Saudi's everyday life doesn't stop them from being as much afraid of terrorism as we "westerners" are...if not more - majority of bombing victims in Riyadh in the last decade were Saudi's. Their fear of terrorism doesn't stop them from living a nice little life of public executions, border line nazzi exterminstion of homosexuals, non believers, treating women like garbage and many other aspects of FUNDAMENTALIST life of conservative islamic states. I wish you would stop implying that Im spreading "their propaganda" Its a typical stance which an internet lurking ignorant would take without actually having any knowledge of the subject and I think this is beneath you.

Before I go loosing it like the time when you tried to convince me of the "wisdom of the holy book", could you explain more clearly what exactly youre trying to tell me by saying that Im f actively helping "them"?

Well, fighting in my case takes a form of taking a certain stance, so far. I hope it will stay this way and it wont have to take other forms. Im having christian fundamentalists on a daily basis here where I live. I also spent significant time in Saudi Arabia and have insight on their fundamentalism which is present in every day life - christian fundamentalism is childs play compared, at least at this particular point in time. As for "terrorists waging a war on my IMAGINATION" you might want to rethink that statement as its really hurtful to all the victims of Islamic fundamentalism.

All religions are equally wrong in the context of putting faith before reason but not all religions are always equally bad all the time. If we were living in the 1930's I'd be all over Christianity for their open support of fascism but here, in 2017 the most toxic form of religion is Islam with its intrinsic fundamentalism (Sharia, Jihad)

What this comes down to is a choice between MY hostile line of though towards islam and the: "lets turn our heads away, be PC and rational" line of thought. There is no correct solution here but my self preservstion instinct telling me to fight.

Would you two Romeo's stop arguing about something which you essentially both agree on?

Saudi Ambassador in 2016: