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This used to be my harmless, borderline crackpot thread.

dimreepr's comment is logical, straight to the point and very accurate. I'd plus it again if I could.

The simple point is this: that is not what I said. Please read again what I said, try to digest it and please stop with the straw man arguments:

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Here's a breathtaking 36 minute slideshow of the greatest photographers in history:

If the fat person is running around naked in a swim suit fitness tournament screaming "look at me! I'm great looking!" that is a little over the line wouldn't you say? I'm overweight myself and I wouldn't do that.

Color perception is not a reflex. You're moving goal posts.

In general, it's a bad idea to have sex with a stripper and your penis seems to know that. You should be grateful for having a wise penis.

You mean the jargon that is used by poker players to exchange information about what happened in a certain hand for example? This jargon is actually very effective at compacting information. Its not only spelling though, its practically a whole language both written and spoken

This is what happens to my mind when Im trying to make a tuff call in poker.

No what? What are you disagreeing with me on? Consciousness suddenly became inner experience - what is the point that you're trying to make because it seems to be shifting or at least is not clear to me. By consciousness being moot I meant that its definition is not clear. What you wrote is clear to me and I agree with it although I remember a time when a knee jerk launched a series of very serious life and death thoughts in my mind. I think both me and Manticore stated clearly that conciousness and color perception does not have to be correlated, at least in insects. Im also sceptical about the outcome of this debate as at the very root of it we have an undefined term - "conciousness"

I'm literally pulling my hairs trying to understand what you mean.

Where was that?

If an organism has the ability to see a particular color then it surely must have an evolutionary reason to do so. Which leads to believe that this organism must have an internal sensation of that color within it's own level of perception. Saying (like you did) that a primitive organism being able to see a certain color but not being able to have a sensation of it because it doesn't have a conscious mind in a human sense is not only unjustly degrading to that organism but also plain false reasoning.

You want empirical evidence, I got it for ya. Shut your eyes and open them. There.

Erm...ok.

Today it's anti vaxers for me.

Dogs have extremely acute senses of hearing and smell. They can literally hear and smell your emotions like fear for example. This might look like a super power but it's only evolution I'm afraid. This has nothing to do with sensing emotions with some 6th sense so yes, there is a lot of insane in stating that empath's who have ESP capabilites exist.

I'm sorry you took it as an insult, it was not intended. I just don't understand what you're talking about. Breaking down your incoherent (to me) post: What is mahogany? Mahogany is a type of hard wood, as far as I know it's used to make furniture and expensive floors. Let's say we eat some out of the ordinary food. And it smells a bit like mahogany. As far as I know, mahogany is not edible. We could analyze the brain and see the neurons light up, but those neurons would not be mahogany. If we were to scan brain activity of an individual who is experiencing smelling mahogany, we would see activity in his/hers temporal lobes which are located on both sides of the head just above the ears. The temporal lobes would not be mahogany (what does that mean?) And we wouldn't be able to understand what mahogany actually is. Sure we would. Considering that we knew what the smell of mahogany is prior to the experience. Thus consciousness contains information that is outside the brain's information set, and converts/transforms the brain into something different from itself. Nope. Conciousness is located in the brain. Where else would conciousness be located? Also conciousness does not convert the brain, it's part of it's function. Like how we "see" color in photons when they are simply colorless waveforms. White visible light contains all the colors within it's spectrum. If you don't believe me, grab a piece of glass and shine white light through it and you will see the light refract into different colors.

Your post is practically all gibberish so it's difficult to engage in an answer.

That is a pretty silly question now isn't it. Canon & Nikon are brands of photo cameras by the way.