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Saying that something is diffeferent because its different is not a viable answer. You can repeat it as many times as you want but it will stay that way. „Believing in reality itself” is in direct contradiction with faith in the supernatural by the way. Your answer doesn’t make any sense.

How does faith in one supernatural thing (higher power) differ from faith in another supernatural thing (specific god)? it would be nice if you could stop the dodge/deflect game and actually start engaging by answering.

No i t cannot. Even if you worship a chair which youre sitting on and you are the only follower, it's a religious belief system. Here we go again. How does faith in a higher power differ from faith in Christ or Santa Claus?

So belief in Zeus, Thor, Allah, Christ or one of the remaining ~2K gods is all equally valid according to you? How does it make it more or less valid than believing in Santa Claus? We established that you cannot quantify validity of a particular belief basing on the number of followers and even if you could (which you can’t) how would you explain that you can take any particular belief, compare it with the sum of remaining beliefs out there and you will always end up in the minority. Faiths differ significantly, which faith is the correct one?

Logic is either a branch of mathematics or a methodology of reasoning which establishes a causal correlation between assumptions and conclusions. Since such a correlation can be established only by evidence and faith/religion has exactly zero evidence in its corner therefore there is as much correlation between logic and faith as in Mother Teresa being a noble individual. I can’t disprove the existence of invisible pink unicorns just as I can’t disprove the existence of gods. Frankly I do not care whether there are debates over „issues” like this, if someones understanding of the world leads him/her to faith it simply means that this person doesn’t understand the world very well. It is well established that the less general knowledge you have, the more prone you will be to religious beliefs. Faith is in fact many things - fear of being alone in this world being a significant factor or fear of being excluded from your environment. And yes, hundreds of billions of people being stuck in a delusion for thousands of years is a probable scenario. Is it more or less probable than god/gods creating and ruling the universe is up to you.

This thread is not about my alleged contempt and alleged hatred, its about what the concept of faith is. I don’t care how it sounds to you, I stated very clearly in my previous post how I feel, if you have difficulties in distinguishing between pity and hatred then you need to adress that issue - preferably outside of this thread in your own time. As for faith being a delusion, we can discuss the figurative meaning of the word „delusion” if you’d like. I already adressed the minor differences between a medical psychotic state and the state of a mind believing in god/gods. Sure they’re not - they’re delusional.

No. The more you understand about reality the more you understand that gods are not needed to explain it. That is if you use reason ofcourse. Harsh - I can agree with that. Hatred - not exactly, more like pity towards wasting time on delusional thinking. I think this is the crux of the matter, I do expect that from humans and I don’t see it as a problem.

There is one significant difference between a medical psychotic state and the delusion of faith, the former has no choice and the latter willingly chooses to engage in the delusion. I adressed the inaccuarcy above.

I agree. Glad you brought this up. All religious faith is by definition based on lack of evidence. I agree that it is questionable if we can use a medical term to describe faith, I’m leaning towards a position that we could. When you look at it from a scientific point of view, there isn’t much difference between a psychotic disorder and faith - they are both routed in the same evidence-less delusion. After all, how can we quantify that talking and seeing invisible people (schizophrenia) is different from seeing and talking to invisible gods?

Reasoning is not designed to support delusion. The only instance where I see justification is empathy towards people who are terminally ill and chose to live their last moments in delusion. I don’t see a reason to attempt to break their belief by reasoning in their last moments if thats what they chose. You don’t seem terminally ill to me Endercreeper01 so don’t worry, we’ll keep on adressing your delusions, fallacies and lack of coherence and lack of reasoning.

I’m reporting you because you are resorting to using logical fallacies which are not accepted on this forum. You don’t know what honor is, youre a disgrace.

Strawman. Im reporting this.

As explained in detail by multiple people in multiple posts in this thread - he is not. However you are very clearly exhibiting racist attitudes in various posts and threads on this forum. I got news for you, no matter how hard you try to justify your racism it will still stink and it doesn’t matter if you use Einstein, Martin Luther King or Mandela to try to justify your racism. The question is why are you still here? You very well know that this isn’t a place which will welcome your racist attitude.

Einstein was not a racist. Even if he was, what is the point in all this? It's obvious that you're looking for specific conclusions but it's not clear what exactly it is that you are looking for. Could you specify what it is that you are looking for and then maybe members can help you out more efficiently?

Einstein managed to screw up his personal life really badly more than once and he managed to antagonise a lot of people during his life...his women and his children the most. He was ackward socially and I wouldn’t be surprised that although being a jew who chose to stay away from politics in those difficult times, he might have commited various faux pas more than once - he constantly did in relation to his wife and oldest son so it is very possible that he did so towards ethnicity or race. After all, people do it all the time nowdays so why wouldn’t they do it then especially that a 100 years is a „huge” cultural gap in modern times. I’m looking at the title of this thread and I conclude that its trolling with an agenda at its finest - take a brilliant physics mind (Einstein wasn’t a great mathematician nor a great husband nor a great Father) with its genius and flaws and use it to fulfill your dirty agenda. Its been a long time since I went countryside but the original post smells like a pile of manure on a hot day.

Thats true.

Oh boy...I’m so not „toff” that I just learned a new word.

Ok, I gotta ask. Whos fault is it? Eastern Europe is not tribal Africa and there is access to education here...anyone who is willing has the means of obtaining the information required to know that stars are not 200km from Earth. As for your shame concerning sound in space, hold on right there. You can go back to these folks and tell them that sound waves can propagate in space as space is not a complete vacum. There is dust and gasses in space which are capable of carrying sound waves. The particles are very spread out though and the resulting sound waves would be extremely low frequency therefore beyond human hearing capabilities but sound waves can propagate in space.

Your Nova Scotia example is a faux pas but its the kind of a faux pas that most of us made in their life when young. Stars 200km away are in my opinion in a league of its own though especially for a 35 year old adult. Do you want the number then?

Right. Let me get you her phone number, you can then politely start explaining to her that stars are further away than the next city and that Oligocene water isn’t called that because its holy

That purple bold font is horrible, could you make it yellow so we can see less?

And eat "knedliki" forever? That's living hell

Any tips on places to move to in Asia? Its got to be warm with lots of beautiful nature preferably a mixture of ocean, forests and mountains - but thats New Zealand. „Of the global atheist and non-religious population, 76% reside in Asia and the Pacific, while the remainder reside in Europe (12%), North America (5%), Latin America and the Caribbean (4%), sub-Saharan Africa (2%) and the Middle East and North Africa (less than 1%).[6]”

Did you become officially nuts while in your quest for justifying your racism? Read again what you wrote.