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You’re joking right? How would you justify to yourself and your wife that your „freedom requirements” killed your son or daughter in a car crash? Your body during a car crash has several thousands of pounds in kinetic energy when flying around without seatbelts. Say your son’s skull gets completely crushed by your leg which gets broken in several places but you end up fine after a few months. Could you elaborate on how you would approach your freedom of not wearing a seatbelt from there in this very plausible scenario?

It wouldn’t be a wild assumption to think that they could have had the data since day 1 and went to Apple just to avoid hundreds of millions in law suits and an international precedent. Vmedvil is right pointing out that technicaly it’s not such a big issue.

Irrelevant, this could not serve as evidence in court, data has to be obtained according to the law, this is not a technical issue.

As per thread title...as I previously stated I think that criminal prosecution for not vaccinating your child is far too harsh of a penelty - fines and kindergarden/school exclusion would be in my opinion good enough. Deliberately spreading misconceptions however, especially on a large scale should be a criminal offence. Just like Nazzi organizations are illegal in most countries, make the anti vaxxers illegal.

The above can qualify for top 10 nonsense posts on this site in both „not understanding the previous post” category and the „biggest miconception” category.

It’ll be great to see your equations readable finally

You’re talking about the UK? I didnt realize there was a regulation like that in place in the UK, too bad we don’t have that here in PL. Could you link to this information?

Not feeding a child should not be treated the same as not vaccinating a child - doing so would be preposterous. You might as well throw people in jail for life for parking violations. I think that failing to vaccinate your children should be subjected to painful monetary fines where the fine is dependable on your income. I think Sweden has something similar in place for driving violations...few years back a large bank CEO got a 40 thousand dollar (or something in that ball park) fine for speeding.

It’s so hilarious that there just might be a small grain of thruth in it, I’ll be watching

Okay, so we have miniature planckian size black holes inside the atoms with accretion disks, evaporating - everything just like a standard black hole which we have in the large scale. Sounds like a decent B class scifi movie narrative. I’d watch that

Here's an old Bridge joke from the time when I was learning to play Bridge in late 80's: Two couples met on a Friday night to play Bridge. The next morning one husband calls the other and says:1 - Buddy, I'm sorry I have to say this to you but we were missing money after last night.2 - Oh man, are you seriously considering we took your money?!1 - Naw, we found the money but the bad taste is still there.

You seem to be offended and I have to respect that no matter my personal views - it is most likely of no consolation but I sincerely apologize for laughing at the joke.

I’m pretty sure I will laugh at these kinds of jokes when Im 70+. After all, theres really no alternative at least for me. I havent realized rangerx’s age and I’m sure he will be eternally grateful to you for bringing this up. And no, I do not think that you can say anything if you’re just being honest. Sory for the depart.

Politics and recent fashion for exposing sexual missconduct aside - I thought the geriatric joke was funny.

What do you think it might be that is guiding the particles through space? Do you think that evolution in nature is guided too? Stars collapsing, galaxies merging, cells multiplying - do you think these processes are guided too ?

I'm not denying this. Ball rolling down the hill, causality processes taking place - all good here. I'm just saying that these processes do not make the reality look to me like its not random.

This might be just a semantics issue that were having here. I obviously agree that the universe works according to rules but that fact does not imply to me that the universe is „not random” The universe is rich with entropy and that is where I hinge my view of reality being random. I don’t think that „ball rolls down the hill therefore universe is not random” is an exhaustive approach. Edit: Are we having a full on religious discussion already because if we do, I'm outta here.

I think you're abusing the word "random" or at least this word means something different to you and me in the context of reality.

Well, I wish you would have given me a third choice but since you didn't, I'm going to present it. For one, you're oversimplifying: The egg falls off the table --> Universe is not random. It's more or less like saying we don't know what was "before" the big bang therefore God did it all. I'm also not afraid to admit that I don't fully understand reality at large and I'm pretty sure you don't understand it too.

I think that your premise that the world around us is ordered is false. I don't see any order and the fact that cause & effect are in place does not make the reality non-random.

I don’t think that this is an exhaustive definition of „random” in relation to nature. For one, we don’t fully comprehend what nature is and we don’t know if the same rules were „always” applied to it and we can’t be absolutely sure the same rules apply everywhere right now. That aside, I don’t think that nature has any constraints like you imply, nothing is dictating anything - I don’t think the laws of physics which we know constraint our reality are automatically a mechanism which makes the universe non-random.

No worries Dubbelosix.

LoL ! Oh please I beg you no, lets not let this be another "free will" thread, there was too much of it recently. Can't we just stick to the cool stuff? @Eise will come and fry your brain on the subject of free will anyway

I agree 100% (obviously) But taking into account that the concept of causality is inevitably rooted in the concept of time which is not that well understood or at least we don't know if time was always like this what we see now - this might not be so obvious. What we see is only ~14B light years each way, we have no idea what time looked like at t=0 and we're not sure if our universe is not just a pocket universe in some larger construct like a multiverse where causality works differently. Correct me if I'm wrong but even in the quantum foam in QM causality becomes fuzzy and weird. I'm far less knowledgeable on physics than you are but it seems very plausible to me that in order to dig into the physics of t=0 we will have to think far outside of the causality box.