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So could a Judge make me use one of the 50 pronouns and if I refuse I go to jail for contempt of court? I wonder if its possible that the next raid at the US Capitol will be done by those self-centered university students with too much privilege.

We've agreed 10 pages ago that people with various medical/genetic conditions are not part of this conversation, how insensitive one has to be to condemn someone for the way one was born. Were doing very large circles here. I have no idea what kind of a mental backflip this is.

If I refuse to call someone who has a uterus a „he” or someone who is incapable genetically to bare children a „she” is not discrimination in my opinion. If I am asked to do so I would probably comply just not to be perceived as an a hole by someone who has loose screws but again, and you refuse to see this - its not about that, its about lawful consequences of those actions that Im talking about. It is one thing to tell someone to jump and another to tell him to jump or you’ll go to jail. Why is this so difficult to understand?

What absolute load of BS, youre not only manipulating me into a stance which I never expressed but youre also doing it intentionally. What I and a few others in this thread including MigL tried to convey is concern that both legislative, lawful and social action is being taken against people who "commit a crime" of not using prefered pronouns towards an individual. Examples were given of people loosing their jobs in Canada, Bill C-16 was refused by a few of the people in this thread as no evidence for anything which is wrong because a Bill is already a piece of legislation. I can understand constant backflips to push own agenda but you will not push down my throat something which I do not stand for (discriminate against others based on how they identify) What wreaks of fragility and ignorance is your attempt to imply views which are not mine as my own.

I absolutely agree but this is only valid if youre not in an echo chamber, a very hermetic echo chamber. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that making strong arguments with reasoning doesn't work in politics and this thread is politics.

No thank you, I’m good. Futile actions are out of my scope of interest.

I don’t feel I have much of a voice anymore like the remaining regulars because I am no longer a regular so I’m ok with closing or splitting, whatever the regulars decide. What I can give from myself is I will try to avoid antagonising the discussion which effectively will mean I will not participate in these kinds of threads because by definition, there is no room for a ballanced discussion in these kinds of subjects. It was a mistake that I lured myself into this thread when all I need from this site is just the science. As for iNow’s desperate cry for eliminating „bad actors” from the thread, I’m sure Peterson would smack this rhetoric out of iNow’s mouth with a witty comment but I personally feel there is no need for me to adress this as it very much speaks for itself.

There we go, the race and white privilege card has been played. The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if iNow starts looking for Dave Chappelle's white ancestors 😂

@iNow @Peterkin @TheVat @Phi for All @MigL @Intoscience @naitche Look, Lawrence M. Krauss is "stirring up honsense" too. Boy am I glad he came out to publish this absolutely deplorable list of abuse in Academia which stems from the very thing which Jordan Peterson is trying to stand up against. https://quillette.com/2021/11/02/tales-from-the-gulag/?fbclid=IwAR0YL5GK0mtjf4nd7fnvdaXWJzR_KPCjlqsFBy1CuBdbP8jJKf5oD8qck2I

I missed the grotesque word salad you bring to the conversation, good to see you again Dim 😄

I presume the reason is that you’re high again and you can’t distinguish between the meaning of „fashion” and „reason” Did I get it right?

This is exactly the crux of Jordan Petersons argument. As with all ideology and PC driven stances, it goes as far as it lasts untill a new 'fashion' comes around but from the broader picture is never ends. Well to be fair, there is indisputable evidence that the Earth is not flat so these crackpots are delusional in the sense that they lack the mental aparatus to ingest and digest scientific evidence. Pollitical, ideological discussions never obey the scientific method so its not as clear who is delusional or not. Political correctness is becoming the new faith of the enlightened and that is really a shame. I'm sure social media and the model it brought which we are all living in right now has a lot to do with this, people are becooming more secluded and locked inside their bubbles, weakness is becoming a new virtue.

We're still at you cherry picking and doing backflips to avoid the crux of the matter while sticking to your predefined non-alterable standpoint. It's a shame that we're only getting to know each other and I've already lost interest in having any dialog with you.

So far, only the a hole who tried to orchestrate the smear campain against Chappelle was fired for exposing his shows viewing data to the press. We’re lucky aren’t we, phew.

What about the transgender friend of Dave Chappelle who kept Chappelle’s back on twitter and killed herself due to pressure from her own community. Its a story from his new show, the one which the LGBT community at Netflix wants to cancel.

Since 20 pages in this thread couldn't get us on the same page despite (inspite?) of MigL giving multiple examples of people loosing their jobs or even being prosecuted in Canada for not using 'proper pronouns' lets try with what this thread leaned into in the last page which is Dave Chappelle and his new standup show 'The Closer'. Chappelle stated yesterday that promotion of his new film 'Untitled' is experiencing backlash from 9 promoters who previous to his standup going live were interested and now they're not and he will be promoting his movie in alternative ways. I have to admit that it is clear to me that Dave Chappelle is pretty much a genius at doing his own PR here, he is riding this wave he created straight into 9 figures in his bank account when its all said and done but that doesn't change the fact that a group of Netflix employees were staging a walkout from the company trying to pressure Netflix into canceling Chappelles show, it didn't work (so far)

That is irrelevant and most definitely none of your business. Why would I need to explain or justify my personal feelings to you. (Analogy mode is on for the ones who missed it)

I hope I will but in case I won't, I'd suggest you stop laughing at standup shows because it might cause me suffering.

Came in to check if the supreme tribunal of ethics and morality is still active and wasn't dissapointed. I am a bit dissapointed though that @iNow actually laughed watching Chapelle's new special, was expecting better from you iNow - shame on you.

You have no means of measuring that so you either have to comply with my ridiculous request or face consequences of not adhering to your own rules. I got it from iNow from this thread. And I agree that we're done. I was not refering to me leaving the site, I was refering to this site eventually leaving the internet if things keep going the curent direction. It’s really astonishing how far away we are on simple concepts.

Horseshit. Also Arete, @hypervalent_iodine - SFN is becoming unbearable due to increased amounts of adds. Literally half of my iphone is flooded with google adds crap when I launch SFN on my phone. It's either go back to Science or bye bye for this politically and ideology driven site.

Deeply enough to know that my personal mental health is in danger here, please adress me per „thou” instead of „you”

Soothing and spot on as usual Phi. I like reading what you write, especially that you have a very light way of typing things in between the lines. Whats happening in this thread is not about what you wrote above though and you know it. It’s about people making other people on internet forums type in 16th century English for their sick fun and enabled by horribly formulated artificial rules which however childish and ridiculous will serve the clown because by definition, you have no means of measuring the clowns sincerity.

Please use „thou” instead of „you” when refering to me from now on. We’ll see how many posts it takes you to adress me in 16th century Shakesperaean language. It’s „thou” from now on please.

In my opinion, youre like a 2 dimentional ant living on a 2 dimentional plane incapable of seing the 3rd dimention which causes you to behave like a dick above. But thats ok, we can coexist that way. Just be sure to tread carefuly when using pronouns towards me, I can assure you they will change and I expect you to honor this. Afterall you have no means of measuring my sincerity so you will comply.