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Mordred, mind you there are math morons like me who are actually going through this thread trying to make sense of it so leave the freakin’ pictures alone i expect you prepare that quadrupole wave explanation in moron friendly format

„Gravity does have an effect on space” is a false statement in my opinion. Gravity is a distortion of space. Space can bend and we perceive that bending as gravity. I’d say we wouldn’t even feel a bump. Gravity however has a significant effect on matter, the fact that you and I are walking on earth instead of flying around weightless is good evidence of that effect, earths gravity is doing it. Gravity is also incredibly weak when you compare it to other 3 forces, its implications become interestingly apparent in special situations like extremely dense matter stuck in extremely small space - black holes. But lets leave black holes out of this as the physics of them are beyond me and you. From what you write I think you might still be confused about what is causing what in regard to space-gravity-matter. Digest this: „Gravity is nothing more than space time curvature” (space and time are inseparable under Einsteins Theory of General Relativity)

Sometimes I wish God would actually be out there so I can stand in front of her after I die and tell her that I admit I was wrong but at least I stayed rational throughout my life. I’d also be acused by all the angels of assaulting her for telling her she’s a total dick for giving zero evidence for her existence through out the thousands of years of the human civilisation. I hope I’d be thrown into hell with the rest of the a holes which are alike.

Slow down... rushing forward without getting the basics right will lead you nowhere Lets get the basics right...we’re talking about gravity not some other force or energy coming from an explosion right? Lets concentrate on that - gravity. Sudden lack of gravity does not create any shockwave, if the Sun is to vanish from existance in an instant, there wouldn’t be any shockwave to hit the earth, no lights would go off (youre confusing this with electromagnetic pulse which can kill electronic devices if powerful enough) Earth would not have to slow down anything, it would simply loose its orbit around the Sun which would be missing at that point. Earth would not be damaged directly by the lack of gravity from the missing Sun, it would be damaged from going astray through space, lack of light and cooling down to space temperature which is close to absolute zero - the Earth with everything on it would die pretty quickly drifting alone in cold, dark, empty space. As for centripetal force - in Newtonian mechanics it provides orbits through gravity so it does prevent planets to be sucked in by the Sun’s higher gravity. We know from General Relativity that gravity is actually „curvature of space” and is considered by new models as not even a force. Edit: I hope swansont will not b slap me for my crude explanation. Also, I’m not a physycist, there are a lot more knowlegeable people here than me.

Note that empty space is always full of activity on the really small quantum level. So it’s never really empty.

I’m surprised you don’t know the answer to this one Phi: ”God works in mysterious ways”

If the sun would suddenly disappear, it would not leave any void or anything special behind except just regular empty space. The ripple in the curvature of that empty space would take ~8min to travel to earth and when it would get here, the earth would skew out of its orbit. None of the planets or any other matter would move towards the region of space which was occupied previously by the Sun.

Consider this and you can go from there: - Light always moves at c - everywhere. - Gravity always "moves" at c (hence the 8 minutes for us to notice the sun is missing) In Newtonian physics gravity is a force, in Einstein's General Relativity, gravity is curvature of space. I don't really understand what you're talking about when referring to "the void" and I don't get the Sun being less or more than a gravitational field. Don't worry about your spelling, I think it's very good.

Yeah, I just went through some of his posts in other threads, consider my question invalid.

I agree that extreme hysteria led by generalising was the key factor behind the stance the German right/far right took/takes. The reality significantly changed over last 20 years though, a lot of economical inequalities between Poland and Germany dissolved in that time, they're still there but it's nothing like 20 or 30 years ago. Some factors include Germans having suffered from the Euro currency transition, Poland is still in it's own currency. Anyway... This should be a sensitive subject for me considering the context of this thread but it's not... Many of my fellow country men would condemn me for not taking a "patriotic" stance but I value my internal integrity far more than my patriotism <--- I think here's your "why" as to why all this is happening in Poland and all over the world, if there were more people sharing my mentality we wouldn't have a problem. As shown by my posts in this thread, I am prepared to admit the reality even when it means sacrificing my patriotic stance. Needless to say, I am also prepared to admit and confirm the reality as to anti-Muslim arguments. We better stay off this in this thread, if you read my posts in religious threads on this forum where I probably lost at least 20 up votes and more importantly a lot of nerves, I might as well stay away from this all together.

Phi, are you sure it’s conscious incompetence? I generally have a good eye and ear to judge this and in this case I’m not sure.

Propagation rate of what? The light emitted or the shockwave emitted by the sun or supernova ? You have to be more specific...what won't matter ? Most likely they are referring to the vast amounts of light, energy and matter a supernova emits. But probably they refer to light as a supernova emits incredible amounts of visible light.

If something blows up in space, the detonation shockwave would travel more or less the same velocity as on earth (minus air resistance, gravity, temperature differences) The detonation shockwave velocity differs betwen different compounds - gunpowder, nuclear detonation, a baloon blowing up would all have different shockwave velocities. If the sun disapeared in an instant without detonation, the only „shockwave” we would experience would be lack of gravity normally caused by the sun and like swansont said, it would take ~8min for us to notice. I presume the implication would be that the earth would skew out of its orbit around the non existant sun after those 8 minutes would have passed. Oh, and would get cold. Really cold and really fast.

I'm not taking that bait, no worries iNow.

Political views aside, I was shocked to learn that the US has an electoral system which makes it possible for a candidate who received 3mln votes less than his oponenent to win and become president. I admit that I don’t know the details of how this system exactly works but 3mln votes less —> Win is controversial nevertheless.

That is ridiculous isn’t it. I was shocked when I learned this when the elections took place.

Thats insightful, thanks...I hope that your faith is not misplaced. It doesn’t look good at the moment, the current government is alienating virtually everyone and waiving it’s wooden sword screaming „look how strong we are” They’re showing the middle finger to the EU and NATO. If we manage to dodge Putin who I bet is looking and drooling at whats going on in Poland, maybe we have a chance. I’m impressed by your knowledge about Poland and eastern block history, you sure you’re a biologist? As for the car/radio theft motif, as sad as it is - its true. When I was in my late teens I knew local bad boys from the poorer families, they regularly travelled to Germany, Switzerland to steal car radios and cars. One of them got caught in Switzerland and got sentenced to 1 year in a Swiss prison. Came back a year later and said that Swiss prison was the best vacation and best time of his life. Edit: There was a joke going around at that time that Germans go for vacation to Poland because their cars are already there.

We’re already integrated with the rest of Europe, tourism and the economy was thriving (at least up untill now) The thing is that we’re taking a huge 30 year step back right now for the past 2 years with the assholes at the helm.

Well said. I wish I could lean towards the first option. Twain is very right. I can add to this quote that stagnation leads to lack of will and a defensive position to travel or explore anything. If you want to know the scale of this in Poland, think deep American south.

Somebody smart once said to me that „History is the most falsified area of research there is” (I think it was my Grandfather)

I can add that besides what CharonY wrote there is another theme behind the current far right in Poland - The „cleansing” of the post communist/socialist remains. They are horribly abuisng this theme to play their game - settig up their people in courts, companies, etc. They abused it to a point in which Lech Wałęsa is basically declared a national traitor by the current government. You read that right, the guy who lead „Solidarity” and got the peace Noble prize is now considered a traitor by a vast amount of Poles (especially the younger generation) CharonY, your Polish friend said it like it is. Edit: Tuco, who would have thought that theres reasoning behing the ridiculous faucets/taps in the UK As for racism in Poland its aparent like never before. I’d say its not even pure racism (yet) since Poland doesnt have that many minorities compared to other European countries, its more of a xenophobia on steroids fueled mostly by the Church.

Seperate taps for cold and hot water situated as far from each other as possible. (Sory iNow, I’m done)

Have you been to the UK and seen their faucets?

You like quotes and one liners don’t you: „The most sophisticated people I know - inside they are all children” Jim Henson. It’s a utopian, non realistic possibility but I presume there’s a good chance that the billionaire would find a way to get on top of things in the new reality rendering the new reality not so new.

The opposition which won a few years later implemented various internal legislation which was supposed to enable the Poles to return from the immigration in the UK. There were multiple reasons for the Polish immigration to the UK directly related to "PiS" party in 2005/2006 - they raised taxes, they were destroying public healthcare, they were destrying public education, they started to implement a police state, they made it more difficult for micro business to thrive, etc. These were direct reasons why a lot of Poles emigrated to the UK in those years and these reasons were caused by the PiS party. On a side note...are you going to state where this is going or are you just trying to entertain my inner-peace experience once again ? Oh and don't worry dimreepr, there's very little chance I'll be emigrating to the UK (you have shitty faucets in the UK) so you can sleep calmly.