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Here’s an example of how information can present itself though this medium. Early in this thread I was ask about the heart wave' date=' and what kind it was. The best way I could think to describe it was like a vibration that resonates down a hierarchal structure down to the cellular level resulting in a biochemical response emerging up though the hierarchy of genome, cellular, organ, Post 11,12 I also described how the beginning of this process is actually initiated by compressing information from the environment via the neural net. What I just found out from reading your thread on “[i']Waves of water and sound[/i]” is that I could have just simply called them “compression waves”. So now I’m going to being rethinking how I can simplify the language and eventual mathematics of this model. Is there a good source on this “multiple point generations sources.... all overlapping creating nodes” That you referred to early in this thread. This also sounds like some language that fit’s the dynamics that I’m attempting to describe. I do know that is has something to do with “Cellular Automata“ What I’m attempting to do is find the proper context and language for a biological wave function, in a framework of information. Any ideas or suggestions ?

You got it, This discovery I believe represents a watershed in understanding of how systems self-organize in nature. My intent in using a praxes is to allow for a stage were as many points of views and ideas come to bear on this model.

You Know you should be more interested in the content of what a praxis is, rather where it came from. To be honest I’ve forgotten where this particular definition originated. The point is I was being accused of not saying early that I was conducting a praxis. That I had not said this in early threads, which I did on 4-14-05.

Like a snake. Now if you want to talk about the subject at hand fine, if not, go away.

Have You ever considered running for a political office? *****Originally posted 4-14-05***** This date comes before.... today's date.

**Originally posted 4-14-05*** http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9881 What I am presently attempting, is to garner specific feedback in order to form the text into a translatable whole. your feed back has been helpful especially {"You're used to things forming around the central attractor, so you write descriptions that form around your main ideas, without enough emphasis on the main ideas themselves (beating around the bush)."} I will try to find a way to not beat around the bush as much but this is necessary to a degree. I picked up this habit from one of my mentors. This beating around the bush is a way that allows a discovery to be rediscovered by others. The information can only be gained in the context of a praxis. In solving the convoluted situation or information. One has to change the way he or she sees the world. Only then can we change our view in the face of new information. The riddle is solved, the landscape changes because our internal system has been altered. These praxis are necessary if one is presenting information that is counter to past assumptions. If I where to just present the information without some “beating around the bush “ I would cheat nature and you by forcing a narrow view point. I am not saying I am being cryptic porpously, it is just a habit that allows me too expand on information before condensing it. The information is correct, and there is internal context within the text but it is not necessarily in any particular format. This is the very early stage in the condensing of the material and anyone that wants to help can, and in doing so I hope it will also open view points that I could have not considered on my own. If I narrow this information to early I will not allow these possibilities to occur. This system will form its own watershed of connecting points to the world Just as it did in the beginning. Thank you for the well thought-out post. Praxis is a complex activity by which individuals create culture and society, and become critically conscious human beings. Praxis comprises a cycle of action-reflection-action which is central to liberatory education. Characteristics of praxis include self-determination (as opposed to coercion), intentionality (as opposed to reaction), creativity (as opposed to homogeneity), and rationality (as opposed to chance). -------------------------------- This is the source; Dictionary of Critical Sociology Would you care to apologize for you obvious mistake.

Are you saying the quantum world emerges from the matter ?

OK, I'll bite how am I being selfish?

No, This is not my purpose, My purpose is to garner feed back to gain perspective and inspire thought in myself, and others. Like I’ve said before, we are working from two different veiw points, or conceptual models, you are working at gaining a social consensus, while I am attempting to gathering information though investigation, by the utilizing a "praxes". Praxis is a complex activity by which individuals create culture and society, and become critically conscious human beings. Praxis comprises a cycle of action-reflection-action which is central to libratory education. Characteristics of praxis include self-determination (as opposed to coercion), intentionality (as opposed to reaction), creativity (as opposed to homogeneity), and rationality (as opposed to chance).

‘Science is the only way to understand the real world“; Richard Dawkins “Toothache is as real as teeth” Mary Midgley

When done right' date=' science is poetry, and visa versa. http://www2.rnw.nl/rnw/en/features/science/poetry001016.html [i'] Science and Poetry by our Science Editor, Laura Durnford Surprising Similarities A final take for now on the similarities between science and poetry comes from English poet and writer, Lavinia Greenlaw. In 1995 she was ‘Poet in Residence' at the Science Museum in London. Although putting poetry and science together in this way was a groundbreaking idea, Lavinia says that scientists and poets share certain qualities. "The point at which science and poetry come closest is perception and where that meets imagination – so, where you're looking at something and also trying to imagine something about it in order to understand it. And a good poet is also a good technician; to finish a poem and to let it become independent from you, you have to distance yourself and judge its shape and form, whether it worked – and those things involve craft and understanding." If one of the aims of this kind of scheme is for poetry to make science more accessible to the public, Lavinia explains how this might work. "I guess what I can do is show the human applications and remind people that science stems[/i] from human and our experience of the world. And in that sense it is as subjective as poetry."

Yes , I couldn’t have put it any better than that, Thanks.

Why do I threaten you? What I'm I saying That you obviously find so offensive?

I'v never been one to be limited by what some define as the "we". You seem to be trapped by what can only be defined by the concusses. Here is a quote from “The Art of Dreaming” that sums this up very profoundly. "Don Jaun’s argument was that most of our energy goes into upholding our importance. This is most obvious in our endless worry about the presentation of the self, about whether or not we are admired or liked or acknowledged. He reasoned that if we were capable of losing some of that importance, two extraordinary things would happen to us. One, we would free our energy from trying to maintain the illusory idea of our grandeur, and two ,we would provide ourselves with enough energy to enter into the second attention to catch a glimpse of the actual grandeur of the universe"......... Carlos Castaneda

Excellent point, the donor heart would retain a specific molecular code in the form of DNA, so the question is how does this physical signature relate to the wave pattern. Remember The signal originates from the neural net{memory} this signal is then sent to the heart as an electrical information. So the wave pattern remains constant. This is the signature pulses that keeps us connected to the collective whole.

Keep working at building those alliances Mokele, and I’ll keep studying and communicating the science.

Yes, your right this all needs to be boiled down to the math........But, Most people that understand system theory are not mathematicians. They read books written by people like Fritjof Capra. He is to systems theory what Carl Sagan was to cosmology. He's brought this science out of the scientific community, and made these concepts understandable to us in the general public. This is very important point. You do not have to have a Phd in order to understand what is going on in the science today. All you need is the ability to Think and study. So its not impossible, after all....... I understand it. Good feed back, Thanks

This thread is about systems biology, If you want to debate the IDst go to the arn board

I hope you can explain to me were I went awry, because I plan on pouring a lot more time and effort into this so you could save me from wasting my time.

Life is metaphysical first, physical secondly; the heart is just tissue like the hamburger you had for lunch, you incorporate this material into a physical temporal system but this system only contain atoms that come and go. the eternal foundation is metaphysical soul. {Or if you prefer quantum aspect\wave function} The heart from a layer is not going to turn you into attorney any more than eating a cow will make you moo. or eating a lawyer will turn you into one.

The Second Ring of Life; The Vesica Attractor by Christopher Humphrey posted 18. February 2005 02:56 http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-26-t-000007.html "March 11, 2005 news releases | receive our news releases by email | science beat Fossil Records Show Biodiversity Comes and Goes Contact: Lynn Yarris (510) 486-5375, lcyarris@lbl.gov BERKELEY, CA – A detailed and extensive new analysis of the fossil records of marine animals over the past 542 million years has yielded a stunning surprise. Biodiversity appears to rise and fall in mysterious cycles of 62 million years for which science has no satisfactory explanation. The analysis, performed by researchers with the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) and the University of California at Berkeley, has withstood thorough testing so that confidence in the results is above 99-percent. “What we’re seeing is a real and very strong signal that the history of life on our planet has been shaped by a 62 million year cycle, but nothing in present evolutionary theory accounts for it,” said Richard Muller, a physicist who holds joint appointments with Berkeley Lab’s Physics Division, and UC Berkeley’s Physics Department. “While this signal has a huge presence in biodiversity, it can also be seen in both extinctions and originations.” ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank's for pointing that out, feburary does come before march. Good feedback. I Know you are making a broader point than this, but I just realized the dates. So thank's for mentioning prediction. Yes indeed, I have some learning to do about how to communicate this information in a mathematical formula. Right now all I can say is the process is a algorithmic itineration initiated by a wave function-phi. among spheres in a contained matrix, acting as a fluid multidirectional cellular automaton That is catalyzing information at large into a point as the structure dissipates. Actually all the math may have been done by others all I need to do is combine them.