thanks peeps, but I dont think floaters are what I see, I have a floater in my left eye, caused by lol trying to makes my eyes point in opposite directions at the same time, hehehe my theory being that if I can go bosseyed then why cant I make them go the other way, I felt a slight rip in the eye and bingo there I had large as life what appeared to be a worm floating around (made up of tiny roundish/hexagonald clear cells with a tiny black spot in the centre of each one) it took quite a while for my brain to stop seeing this. The lights that I refered to before arnt like this floater, and are infact something I have seen since I was a little girl, so breakdown of cells in the lining of the eye I dont think applies. I just wondered if I was seeing some kind of insect that people just dont normally see, I think they are tiny pin points but leave a tiny streak of lights behind them as they move, much like a laser light when stared at too long will leave you with the impression of it still being there, does any of that make sence?