Quantum321

Hello John, the evidence has been leaked out for many years. I will point you in the right direction. Go to Bob Lazars website. He worked at Groom lake (area 51) He actually worked on alien spacecraft and figured out how they worked. Back engineering. What he says on his website has been verified by other people who worked there. Did you listen to the audio in the youtube link I posted. Its authentic. I see that my demerits have increased from -24 ti -31 just because I want to discuss aliens. It's a shame there are so many close minded people at this site. Or are there that many people trying to discredit me? It won't work. The government actually wants the information about aliens to come out. They didn't go public in the past because they hired a think tank who concluded it would cause public unrest and possible panic. The government had turned over all UFO sightings to Bigelow aerospace a private contractor. It is thought it would be better if a private company make the announcement. Here is a NY Times article about Bigelow and Harry Reid https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html In the video I posted above the government admits to a disinformation campaign that continues even today. But too much information has come out for them to hide it much longer. Remember when the Vatican came out several years ago and stated that its ok with them if there are beings living on another planet? Do you know why they did that? Because they were told that aliens exist and it would be better to come out with some statement now rather than wait for them to actually land and reveal themselves. In this report a former government official says "we may not be alone"

Yes. I know that. I am referring to the entire galaxy. Why is it accelerating?

Aliens. How much do we know? Let me begin the discussion by asking if anyone has first hand information about aliens. It's clear information is not always available. However, we have been visited by aliens for thousands of years. Some of the secret files have come out and now we are able to discern what has happened regarding aliens and our government. Thanks to knowledgeable people coming forward, some of their death beds. Youtube has the video posted.

This is nearly fifty years old but it will give you insight into alien presents then. It's an audio transcript of the actual briefing that has been substantiated by several sources. It's beyond interesting.

WOW I am up to -24 now. I wonder how many of the scientists here have been briefed on some of the things I am talking about and choose to try to discredit me? I don't care...

Well, what I think is important to me and I contend that the standard model may be flawed. Just because space-time expands doesn't necessarily mean everything in space-time goes along with it. Ok I have raised my questions and got some great answers. I think we have talked this out. Thanks to everyone for listening.

strange. " So, pretty much by definition, if the space (distance between them) expands then they get further apart. " Yes I know this is the prevailing explanation. But in my explanation of the three galaxies I don't see how space expansion between them should influence them at all.

Strange. " the tendency of the distance between things to increase in the absence of mass-energy (or a homogeneous distribution of mass-energy) are the natural consequences of the nature of space-time. " I honestly don't think that galaxies would accelerate away from each other as a normal consequence of the nature of space-time. You just don't get acceleration from the lack of a gravitational attraction. Sorry, but I just don't buy it...

I did not imply we should throw out everything we have learned. Where did you get that? And I don't think I am being incredulous. I just have not heard any explanation as to how the galaxies are accelerating their movements away. If you say, as I believe that space is expanding then how are the galaxies being physically influenced by this expansion? If you visualize galaxies x, y and z as points in the universe. As the space between them expands why should they move at all beyond the original BB expansion? The space will expand but should have no effect of the original positions of these galaxies.

Thank you but I already understand the concepts of BB and what you are saying.

I am not taking about conspiracies. It's just that so much of what is known in science isn't published to the main stream. I will comply with your rules.

I understand your position perfectly. However, science has progressed far beyond publicized physics and peer review. Advancements have been made that are kept secret for fear other countries may find a way to use it against us. Don't get me wrong, Einstein was a truly revolutionary thinker and changed to world. Its a shame we the public are not privy to the current state of science. For example. Star wars was supposed to have been cancelled. But it wasn't. The US now has a space based laser satellite. Particle beam weapons have progressed. I know this because I have talked with an engineer who worked on them. And while he could not talk about the details he urged me to look up space based lasers on line.

And if I put forth a concept that is not yet accepted by mainstream science how do you know it isn't already a known fact? Because you haven't heard of it yet doesn't mean it does not exist. I apologize if anything I may say you don't agree with...just ignore it.

Giving members the ability to give demerits to others for not going along with the current accepted dogma by mainstream science limits creative thought. As long as anyone does not disrupt the site in an unacceptable way..one should be able to express their ideas

I already said I am not special. Galileo was special. How do you explain the Hubble constant? What causes the galaxies to be accelerating away?

Oh I see so someone in the membership is not pleased with my thinking. I don't always accept the current dogma, its sad that other blindly do.

LOL Sorry but the BB does not explain the Hubble constant and why galaxies are accelerating away from each other. It seems we are back where we started Moderator Note: The other moderator already gave me a demerit for this. Now you give me another one for the same thing?

Thank you but it does not explain the Hubble constant and why galaxies are accelerating away.

Next morning...Now that I think about it, of course you are right. Acclerometers measure forces like when an object suddenly stops but does not read during motion. It's interesting that the only was we have of measuring the speed of a galaxy is the Doppler shift. Edwin Hubbles great contribution that changed everything. Mordred. " Now in order for inertia change to occur ie acceleration force must be applied. However the distribution around galaxies is uniform, so the force due to pressure surrounding galaxies are also uniform. There is no net force in any direction as the pressure is uniform surrounding the galaxies. Hence those galaxies gain no momentum due to expansion. Instead the volume between the galaxies expand without causing an inertia change to the galaxies themselves." If there is no net force in any direction (which I agree with) Then why are to galaxies moving with the expansion of space? With all the conventional examples given here there isn't one that accurately describes whats happening in space. Raisins move because atoms push against atoms. Dots on a balloon because they are anchored to the fabric of the balloon. There is no friction in space. Epiphany I just had a thought. I have been thinking about this all wrong. The initial conditions of the BB set everything in motion. Gravity caused dust particles to come together forming rocks and rocks formed planets etc. Everything was already in motion. Space is expanding for some reason no one understands but it does not affect the galaxies motion. And since there is nothing to slow the galaxies they continued to expand along with space. Now this makes sense to me. But wait.. this does not explain the Hubble constant. Why are galaxies accelerating? I was going to say now I know how Copernicus felt. But I don't want people to think I am special in any way. I respect as moderator your responsibilities regarding personal theories which are not accepted by mainstream science. Respectfully, what I said is mainstream science. I won't visit this topic again. Now I don't understand...if the BB is in question because there does not appear to a center from which everything is expanding then whats going on?

Wait a minute. The Hubble constant says that for every parsec the galaxy increases in speed by 72 kilometers per hour. An accelerameter won't register anything? Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't see how its applicable. The raisins are carried along with the expanding bread due to atoms pushing against atoms

Yes. the dots are attached to the rubber of the balloon. As the rubber stretches due to the balloon being inflated the dots are carried along because they are fixed to the surface. The galaxies are not fixed to space.

I hear you. Look at the Hubble constant. By definition galaxies are move away at an increasing rate based on parsec's of distance. "Moving away at an increasing rate" If you measure their rated of expansion from earth how can the accelerator read zero? Yes I have also heard to raisins in the bread analogy. But that's not the same as galaxies and space.

I see I just received a demerit for telling the truth. OK. " Space doesn't 'go' anywhere. That is a false premise. " I agree. Space it constantly being expanded through new space being generated as has been explained above. So you have space expanding..Why are galaxies moving along with the expanding space. I am sorry. I have many posts in this thread I need to read. I know Einsteins equations explain all of this and this is what scientist have come to accept. It may be counter intuitive but something just doesn't set with me right. Thanks to everyone for your comments.

Swansont. " No, it doesn't push the atoms. Space expands, and two objects would tend to get further apart since there is more space between them. But there is no push. " This is exactly my problem. What physical properties are involved in "two objects would tend to get further apart since there is more space between them" Why would they? What force makes them get farther apart? Markus Hanke It makes perfect sense. There is no other force involved in gravity. It's not an undiscovered force. Do you honestly think that modern science could not detect a gravitational force if it existed? I am not here to talk about gravity. I just can't accept the premise that matter will go with space as it expands. How could it do that without some mechanism to make it happen?