Quantum321

No the scientific community is assuming time began with the BB. I am not. I am saying its a baseless assertion. If you think it isn't please tell me what it is

You own statement "There is no evidence that time began with the big bang" So if it also can't be proven then it must be assumed.

Baseless assertions are what scientists do when they adopt the assumed fact that time began at the BB

Resident Expert said "In QM an equation isn't complete until you apply relativity corrections lol. Quantum your making a lot of baseless assertions" What the heck? Don't put words in my mouth my foot left no room. I never said that! I found a very interest article entitled "A crisis at the edge of physics" written in June of last year I think everyone would enjoy. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/opinion/a-crisis-at-the-edge-of-physics.html?_r=0

So the current accepted premise that time exists at all is not proven. It's an assumption that's not based in scientific fact. I am glad we finally agree. As far as I know time dilation has no application in quantum theory. Could this be part of the incompatibility of GR and GT?

"Not make his claims first then looked for evidence." No they make assumptions first. They run these assumptions by their colleagues. And I am sure there were those who (like people here) told them their ideas were crazy. Ok guys, I'm tired of this banter. Its not productive. I am waiting for proof that time began with the BB and that it flows with our man. It's the prevailing theory so it should not be difficult to find.

Ah. Lets take J.J. Thompson for example. Before he discovered the electron in 1897 and before his paper was published, what did he do. He collaborated with colleagues about his ideas. That's where I am.

Resistance to New IdeasResistance to new ideas seems to be an enduring human characteristic, and scientists –despite extolling the virtues of objectivity-- have often proved themselves very human in this respect. Many of the great breakthroughs of modern science were initially rejected or ignored, sometimes for decades, and mainly because of bias. It is instructive to consider a few examples of scientific advances that were originally rejected. The atom Exoplanets The big bang Evolution I could name many more. This forum should encourage new ideas. Not approach them as not acceptable because they don't agree with the current scientific theories.

Hello LMGTFY I am glad you posted. "1. This argument is a ridiculous fallacy. Just because people are pointing out your errors, it does not make you correct. The statement is true and you choice of words is poor. I don't expect anyone to applaud my idea, Its simply a proposal. "Then show us the model (i.e. the mechanism and the mathematical description that makes the hypothesis testable). What experiments could be done to confirm or show your hypothesis to be wrong?" This is not a scientific paper, this is a science forum. I am proposing a mechanism that has not been discovered yet. It doesn't mean it does not exist. If it had been previously been detected a scientific paper would have been published. This is sometimes how science works. Only if you also agree that length has no "primary physical existence" and is an abstract idea. While physical object may have length the concept of length resides only in the mind. Primary physical existence is a physical object not a concept. Please define "primary physical existence". An physical object. So the universe was static and unchanging until humans came into existence? How did they come into existence with no time? Why do you think the universe would be static without time? I surly would not. Physical processes have taken place since the BB without time. Events unfold based on the laws of physics throught out the universe. Time is just a measurement man has invented to measure these events. These processes do not require time. I contend time does not exist outside human consciousness. How do you prove that? You can't. Then this has nothing to do with science. Exactly! Time has nothing to do with science. It resides only in the mind. Whether you measure how long a particular ball lasts, or estimate based on measurements of previous balls, you have still measured the lifetime of a ball at some point. I am not sure I agree. I don't see predicting the age of something as being a measurement. Its an estimation at best. Now I would like you to answer a few questions I have. 1. Prove that time began with the BB. Its an accepted theory so it must have been proven at some point. 2. Prove time is a flowing from beginning to now without man. 3. How would one go about proving time exists?

You would not measure it. You would estimate its life with data obtained from hundreds of previous balls.

When ever a new idea is presented especially against accepted dogma you will have those who resist or worse yet attack it. Much akin to Copernicus absurd proposal that the earth circled the sun. I was hoping for some discussion in my thread not ridicule. I invite open minded discussion of my ideas. Those who ridicule are not welcome to post in my thread. Please honor my wishes. I propose atomic processes slow down in a gravitational field. You use time to explain that. I suggest there is an interaction between the strong and weak force in atoms which radiate electromagnetic waves. Electromagnetic waves are effected by gravity. This interaction somehow slows the processes. This isn't philosophy it's a possible undiscovered atomic process. I think we all can agree that time has absolutely no primary physical existence. Time is an abstract idea. It does not exist in the physical world. Length. color, etc are physical quantities. I can measure the length of a physical quality like a football. How do I measure the time of a football? Time is an abstract idea (concept) and does NOT exist in any particular time or place and does not exists outside the human consciousness. The same can be said for ideas,things we think, know or perceive. However, physical objects do exist outside our consciousness and can be measured. Draw a line. On the left side write down ideas,things we think, know or perceive by and time. On the right side of the line write all physical objects and processes. Why does anyone think time should be moved into the right side with the physical objects? The definition of an abstract idea is something detached from physical, or concrete, reality. If you don't believe me look it up. Therefore, by definition time has no existence outside the human consciousness. I contend time does not exist outside human consciousness. How do you prove that? You can't. No more than you can prove time is an original component of the BB. If you think it is tell me where do I go to measure it? I am not the only one who thinks using time as a dimension is wrong. Please read the following proposal. The proposal basically calls for a paradigm shift in this area of research. The studies argue experts should regard space time as having four dimensions of space. The main implication of this is that the Universe is truly timeless. I invite constructive conversation. http://phys.org/news/2011-04-scientists-spacetime-dimension.html

"The definition (of time) is "rate of change or duration" I agree and that's imperative information for man to know in order to understand and describe different processes. How does this help the universe? It doesn't care what the rate of change is. A hydrogen and helium atom fuse together based on the laws of physics however long it takes. The union is only based on the laws of physics not time.

I am asking everone to put aside everything we have learned and open your mind to new possibilities. Why can't we have a BB without time? All the processes that make the BB are governed by the laws of physic irrespective of time. Those events transpired without the need for time. Consider mass changes with gravity and motion. Don't consider time. The frequency of light is affected by gravity and relative motion. The strong and weak force in every atom radiates electromagnetic waves. I am proposing these electromagnetic waves are also effected by gravity. I know Einstein turned to time to explain the clocks different times but its not the only explanation.

What doesn't exist. Please explain. I am saying atomic processes slow down in a gravitational field. The frequency of light is affected by gravity and relative motion. So, I am saying even the most fundamental matter gets affected by gravity and motion

A form of time dilation. A clock runs slower near a gravitational mass because the gravitational waves have an effect on the atoms. This has nothing to do with time. Let me give an example. Two magnets exert more force on each other the closer they are to each other. Gravity works the same way.

In my opinion, time is man's invention. Time did not start with the BB, is not an original component if the universe and is not a dimension. Man requires time to describe the events we predict or observe. Take the equitation Distance = Speed x Time. This equation is helpful in order for us the understand the relationships and for us to make calculations. However, the universe does not care how fast anything is traveling. The universe is driven by events governed by the laws of physics and time is not a consideration. The universe has done very well before man invented time.