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Yet the fossil record is assuming or having faith in the idea that it was formed over a long period of time, we were not there to see it & any amount of real living in the elements shows us that bones get used up by others unless preserved like in a global catastrophe of much water for instance but not one creature at a time laid upon another other than say a tar pit of small localized flood's mud but nothing of the size of fossil fields turned to time & again by those of the timeline/fossil faith.

Creation was us by the OP 4x's plus an ex-nihilo tossed in for good measure, how is it creation is not on the table for discussion or the people from ICR who leave evolutionists silenced every time their paths cross when it comes to logic & not faith about something that mankind was not was present to study at the time?

Cancer, (I know have been introduced to it) is here with us & we can study it but creation/evolution/forming of all the elements in the 1st place? We were not there to observe what went down & so faith.

Faith or trust [(one party willing to rely on the actions of another party) we are to rely on what happened billions of years ago or just millions when no-one was there to observe using scientific method?].....same end my friend, filling the gaps with something from within, If we are able to be honest with ourselves. Also, thousands of years of observations had everything being Created by God up to only around Darwin's time.

We can't hookup a machine to measure the presence of the supernatural in a person, other than a heart rate monitor but that still doesn't let you see the life shinning from within. It is no different that the faith needed to believe nothing x's billions of years ='s everything. No-one was there to see the unfolding of billions of years & so a certain amount of faith is needed to accept it. Either you have faith in your chosen religion or you choose another that you do have faith in based on whatever it is that makes your inner self comfortable.

Correct, the eternal spirit that lives forever & is placed within this electrochemical machine we find ourselves in with all of it's senses has a very strong tendency to override most peoples eternal spirit speaking out to them through their conscience & the worst thing we can do to our eternality is sear our conscience. Now if the spirit is awakened by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Then is when we really start to see life for what it is around us as the veil between this life (that is but a vapour rising off the water in early morning) & the eternal, starts to be pulled back for us to see beyond these physical senses of ours.

Soul, that life force within someone that makes them who they are or jumping out as the spark in their eye, lol. Spirit, the life force within a body that without they cease to live.

Very idealistic, generous with a strong desire to uplift humanity.....You continue to go & don't let the the challengers flaming darts affect you!

Physical beauty is something that is very misleading & placing value in it is misguided as it is the beauty of the spirit that really maters, the beauty of a mind free to engage anyone in the expression of love & support, a heart sympathetic & giving of itself to others in need of nurturing, a soul filled with & overflowing desire to express love to the lesser in this world's eyes as well as building up fellow sojourners in a time of need. Most of the successful beauties I know are empty & mourn over it as they share in vulnerable intimate moments.

The Creator of the universe lives within me, it is an experiential relationship of peace that goes beyond all understanding that I can break by running with the ball myself rather than allowing His lead in my life which is really His as all of creation is His. Does He allow us to make choices for ourselves that can impact generations? You betcha! So what we do with that freewill is of great importance. The real stickler is that even the ability to accept His will for us is something He has the power over as Creator/Sustainer. Do we wrestle with such tension? For sure & I believe the main reason so many fight against His Perfection is as we are limited in our ability to comprehend total Perfection & so only are able to see the picture in a very limited scope which is complicated by soiling of the lens we look through due to our imperfection & finiteness.

How about God allows all you quoted to build our character & come to our end so that we have to turn to Him in order to start a genuine relationship?

BC/AD, a time keeping device that divides & keeps religion in the face of an evolutionary mindset. I am not trying to disproving the idea of old world nor secular evolution but pointing out to you that even if may people buy into an idea it does not make it true & so to say evolution is indisputably the facts based on science we are twisting the truth. Science can only prove what it can do/reproduce so to take it into conjecture is turning it into a religion that one is placing faith in. If I were a troll I would then be going on about our faith in pseudoscience & the cost of buying it is in the selling your eternal soul, I haven't been doing that, just making you think about what true science can prove or discover & how pseudoscience tries to deceive the simple while overpowering any opposition to it's validity through repeatability. I guess since the word troll was used here it does make me smile a bit in the image of just how many of us tap away at our keyboards thinking we are enlightened when one might question are we trolling try to drown others in the exuberance of the faith we have in our religion of psuedoscience?

Thank-you, the use of theory & postulate in your post explain it all so well. The use of these words are what pseudosciences are built upon & therefore not real/true science because no-one was there & the thing can't be duplicated in whole it becomes a faith & not true observable science, now I expect just like revisits history has been used to try alter the past before, eventually pseudoscientists will just change the meaning of the word science to support their religion as well as any calendar references to BC/AD in an attempt to make their faith something that is substantially undeniable. A change within a "kind" is possible for evolutionary type forces because of environmental pressure on a creature for sure! But they return to their original state when the pressure is removed & never do we see any change from one species to another. That is the stickler, the disingenuous nature of pseudoscience has been show here many times as people build their theories on other animal bone/fragment, teeth or hide the piece from the world they have made their claims on. It rocks one's world for sure to say it is based on something other than what they want to see, I understand that but we can't be making the broad claims that are tossed out all the time that are faith supposing all will fall inline because we want that faith to be real science.

Ok, how about walking up to a sheep & saying "Oh please little sheep with your fleece as white as snow, clone yourself.", is the sheep going to be able to do that with countless chances & billions of years? You need intelligence to intercede on the part of the sheep for it can not clone itself or even have any idea what you are saying. Now I know, "Give the sheep time buddy & it will be able to do it for itself!" Far to much is downloaded onto the shoulders of chance & time in the connivence of our trying to eliminate the supernatural injection of time, space & mater for our lives. It's faith not science we are chasing yet if we get enough people on board with the faith & call it something else say like science then we have the escape we are looking for. The reality is with our degrees, papers, inner circles, choosing who gets to speak & patting each other on the back we are not following true science but pseudosciences which is why it is a faith, no different than any of the other seekers of this world trapped in futility of trying to make themselves into a god of some sort.

How many times will a printshop explode in order to get a complete dictionary or how many times do you need to ash a scrap metal pile to "Evolve please" before you end up with a 747 ?

No, chance has no power, chance is a word you used to convey an idea like "If I go over there I might see her." or " If I move into that community there's a possibility I might be able to generate interest in my business. Yet today, in order to give the faith of evolution power in coming up with everything from nothing we put chance as the queen over all giving it power supreme but it is nothing, it can do nothing nor make anything happen as it is impudent & even that is giving the word to much credit as a causal force.

Still sifting for the data quote for you, had some computer problems lately & lost all of my book marks. Till I find the exact one for you it was from the evolution site & the work of one of the original ICR guys. Odds of the theoretical guy you quote are not out of the box for me as we are all completely unique & very complex, so why not? But this example you give is talking of someone & not the building blocks of life plus the complexity of manipulating them into theoretical guy as well as the universe he lives in. My quote is about coming up with the building blocks of life in the 1st place out of nothing & the building blocks are not simply lego or painted wooden block with letters & numbers on the sides but a far more complex with the ability to self replicate, heal, learn, enjoy life. The usages of atomics & empty spaces plus all of the laws need to direct it all are far more complex in that light of theoretical guy than where he's been & what he likes to eat. Absolutely you can make amino acids! It just show the input of intellect on the raw elements is all not nature coming up with it herself. Adam & Eve are only acceptable to one who is moved upon by the Supernatural & those who can't see the possibility of such happening can't possibly get or allow their head to wrap around submission to a higher power over a self directed existence with an end not unlike it's beginning, yet did come from something or someone into this physical sense (parents for a pattern), so are we really going to finish out into nothing? Or return to Someone?

The probability of a protein developing by undirected natural processes has been "Odded, lol" out to 1 in 10 to the 164th power. The probability of a single cell developing by undirected natural processes 1 in 10 to the 340,000,000th power. How about a single gain of sand lets look at it for a moment, pull it out of your shoe or from under the strap of your flip-flop, one from behind your ear or worse yet trying to get one out from your eye! There's estimated to be approx 1 million grains of sand in 1/2 of a cup, jumping to the size of the earth's volume in sand gains the # would be around the 1 in 10 to the 30th power, 10 with 30 zeros behind it. The volume of our sun filled with sand would be the equivalent 100 million earths. The sun would need to be multiplied by 10 trillion to fill our solar system & again remember we are talking of equivalents in sand now not gasses or empty"ish" space. Next move out to a cubic lightyear that would take 10 trillion of our solar systems, solid sand again. Then take all of that sand & you need 100 trillion light years worth to fill the Milky Way Galaxy with sand gains. 10 billion Milky Ways to fill the know universe. Back to that pesky little grain of sand we 1st blotted out from the corner of our eye on the tip of a twisted Kleenex after so much pain, tears & staring into a mirror. The chances of grabbing it out of the known universe's volume filled with sand? 1 in 10 to the 96th power. Recap now: Universe filled with sand gains = 1 in 10 to the 96th power A protein evolving from nothing = 1in10 to the 164th A cell forming via evolution = 1 in10 to the 340,000,000th Scientists generally consider anything with less than an operational power of 1 in 10 to the 70th power operationally impossible. Now there is always the chance that evolution didn't take the whole 10 to the 340,000,000 rolls of the dice but really even at the 70th power we are getting near the volume of the universe full of sand possibilities of it happening? Really? The complexity of 31 proteins & the thousands of sub assemblies to organize them all into meaningful information or from meaningful information in the 1st place? With laws to order it all & from the elements & all of their laws & forces working upon them & their order & operational laws? Science came about to order nothing x's a whole bunch of time (10 billion years & growing) to = chance as queen? Supernatural designer makes time places building blocks in it, builds the rest of what we see ordering it by natural laws for us to see Him through our study of it via our senses & minds. Who's stretching who's paradigm? lol

....the bible states time & again we can only truly know God by His revealing Himself to us. That being the case, is there any sense in discussions of belief in a Creator or the alternative of nothing + lots of time ='s everything. If not Supernaturally drawn to Him one won't see that science does nothing but prove His existence or the other side of the coin, there is no need of breaking away from the popular stream of conscience as chance is the queen of science with no room for the chance of a Creator. What do you think?