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Krakatoa has erupted many times, famously in 1883, but has continued to erupt ever since. It is still known as Krakatoa, The cone which is appearing in the centre of the old caldera is still the original volcano over the original hot spot which has not moved. My original statement was correct, you assumed I was referring to the eruption or rather explosion of the island in 1883, which for sake of correctness is not to the east of Java it is to the west of Java. The island was not completely destroyed, 3 sections of the old caldera still stand, making a kind of lagoon around the new cone. The only part of my statement which was slightly wrong was I was there 7 or 8 years ago, not 4, time flies. To give an accurate fix of my location I was anchored inside the caldera rim on the south side, out of the ash plume. Tangents huh I think I was going down the line of asking what could block or interfere with gps signals, and Swansont asked what heats the atmosphere to 2000C, Ref strange or bizarre ideas, I think that volcanoes are interesting, and if a super volcano was to throw tons of ash into the atmosphere, which could change the earths climate, the ash may also interfere with gps transmissions. Since you have lived around volcanoes before you will be aware that ash in the atmosphere produces much larger lightning strikes than a normal thunder storm with mainly only water droplets involved in the generation and holding of charge. The ash seems to hold more charge, it is possible that an ash cloud might work like the ionosphere and block signals, as might a nuclear winter after a war. Since most things relating to GPS are covered on Wikipedia and to try and keep the thread interesting to at least one party, I thought I would look at the things not normally covered by Wikipedia. Hence my line of thought ref gps signal loss.

YES I DID, I was anchored inside the old caldera rim about 4 years ago, (the caldera rim is remnants of what was not blown up in the original explosion), watching the new Krakatoa which is growing in the middle of the old caldera rim. It was smoking when I sailed in and anchored, after about an hour it exploded repeatedly for about 6 hours. The Child of krakatoa, or Anak krakatoa as the locals call it is very active. We anchored in a depth of 5 metres where it was charted at 25 metres, when we pulled our anchor up in the morning, the water around the boat was bubbling, and the anchor was too hot to touch. The whole sea bed is rising inside the rim. The new cone when we were there was approx 500m above sea level, and the ash and rocks blasted into the air I estimate went 1500m into the air above the volcano taking about 10seconds to reach the peak after every explosion. Awesome, you dont experience things like this by sitting at a computer. So there! I did see it and you are wrong.

Perhaps the post was not saved I do however have an email with a reprimand, which I assume the deletion was due to, I did not follow the link on the email. I asked the question ref the EM pulse pushing electrons away, and asked the additional question ref signal propagation in positively ionized air, and further signal loss caused by electron recombination with ions, giving off radiation and interference. I watched Krakatoa blow from 1/4 mile away, Volcanoes do lightning, as did Yasser in Vanuatu. Yasser gave the most awesome lightning display I have ever seen, Awesome in the true sense of the word. Getting out of the office opens the mind to the real world! Even steam from steam engines is ionized, electrons recombining will give off radio waves or photons, as well as conducting current. Do these interfere with GPS signals as well as the other stuff mentioned above.

I did and it was deleted with a reprimand. I covered one or two things relating to another thread. Very naughty. What in the atmosphere can reach 2000C, Nuclear explosions, Lightning, Volcanoes, Power Stations etc . If you take the time to go back through the posts, you may realize I was not trying to cover what can be looked up in Wikipedia, and was trying to make the thread at least interesting for one (me). I had played around focusing on time dilation and curved space, and then started looking at the ionosphere and things blocking the signal or how the signal could be lost either deliberately via high altitude explosions or naturally in thunderstorms etc. I was invited by swansont to start the thread, and have received a number of obtuse responses throughout. Stranges question above is an example. What the hell chat bot is meant to mean I have no idea, is it even a term in English. "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn". Strange as it may seem I don't believe time dilation is anything more than the result of the curvature of space, and is only the clock slowing down. I started a thread to this effect under speculations, which was based on time dilation space curvature and general relativity. Strange as it seems many people wanted to include Special relativity as part of an argument to state I was wrong. Which might well be the case.

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What is it you don't think? If it was the size doesn't matter thing I was trying to be funny, it does matter. In this case smaller is better, to concentrate any charges and increase the Electric Field Strength. Increasing the electric field strength may increase the space charge density J = K Vd3/2 / d2 I haven't finished reading the book yet.? My missis keeps asking me to do things I don't think the Wilmhurst device is suited to what I was originally thinking about. However I have not completely discounted it. I do see the potential it has for generating a useful potential momentarily. Thank you for the links above, they are interesting Ref anodes and cathodes and gaseous emissions, in all instances I have read so far only the electrons or -ve charges are mentioned. I am interested in the positively charged atoms also, and think they can be separated using a magnetic field, thus doubling the recoverable charge from the effective avalanche which will happen in gases, once the voltage is high enough. Also they will become excited an ionize more atoms. On the above point thank you again for your references on the magnetohydrodynamic generator, it shows I am on the right track.

Exactly it has become uninteresting. I can read anything I want to know about GPS on wiki. If people aren't prepared to ask questions around the edge of what is common knowledge on wiki the thread is pointless.

Thanks again for the links, they are very interesting but not exactly what I am aiming at doing. The Wilmhurst device is interesting to look at at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine. I am interested in generating multiple EM pulses to drive off any free electrons, leaving a net +ve charge behind around the EM pulse source, the ionized positive ions will collide with other other atoms and ionize them also. Repeated EM pulses will drive of more free electrons. I am considering separating any positive or negative ions with via a switched magnetic field, to guide the charges onto collection plates. You are not the first person I have heard say size doesn't matter. On one of my early posts on this thread I referenced current bunching points in switched circuits. Narrow pointed tips on antennae causes currents to bunch, causing very high impulse voltages. The electric field strength can explode wires, under the correct conditions. I was exploring the bifilar wound tesla coil pulsed at very high repletion rates so that an outgoing pulse passes an incoming pulse. I guess it is a little like an electronic Wilmhurst device. Thankyou for your interest.

I have a pretty good impression from the time dilation discussion I started based around general relativity people don't understand the difference between special and general relativity. Time dilation in general relativity is not the same as discussed in special relativity and the Lorentz transformations. Time dilation in general relativity is caused by gradients in space. Special relativity is looking at different aspects of space. 1 Special relativity (SR) doesn't include gravity, whereas general relativity (GR) does. The interpretation of time dilation in GR does not apply to SR 2 In SR, the laws of physics are the same for all inertial coordinate systems, that is those in which Newton's First Law of Motion is true. In GR the laws of physics are the same in all coordinate systems, whether they are inertial or not. So SR is a special case of GR is questionable Thank you all for your answers they have mostly been very appreciated, including the marginally offensive ones, and those that don't understand general relativity different reference frames. I have the information I was looking for on the forum. Thank you all Rgds

1) Of course atoms in your body are affected, but why on earth would it slow down your aging process or bodily functions, because space is pulling at your particles. It is more likely to age them. 2) They are using cheap Chinese watches, but why on earth would it slow down your aging process or bodily functions, because time is being measured differently. 3) The clocks are running at different speeds and are measuring time differently, but why on earth would it slow down your aging process or bodily functions, because space is pulling at your particles. The clocks time is being affected by their movement in space, which also distorts space. Space is distorted by the movement of the particles in a nucleus as well as the movement of electrons and photons. The clocks measure different times because of the different rates of change of space around their particles. And as we all know space transmits all known forces

Relativity includes space, and time dilation. There is a difference between understanding and belief. I think I mostly understand Time dilation, but like religion, I just dont believe it. I think it is a misinterpretation of the facts. Do you have any original ideas, why a motor would miraculously seem to develop a lower inertia after it has been the first time.

I referenced a Scandanavian country, not Hitlers Germany. I think it was Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilisation_in_Sweden I wonder if the healthier Israeli population is a result of only the fittest and brightest surviving the holocaust. During war times does it take brains to volunteer and charge across fields into hales of machine gun fire. Do the brighter ones find something better to do, and survive the war, does war increase IQ's by culling those that don't think or are taught not to think it is a bad idea to get shot for some belief system or another.

I would have thought general relativity has space already included The various String Theories available have a few thoughts on gravity. Particle physics seems to ignore distortions in space, other than recognizing things are waves I understand general relativity is already pretty well tested on the gravitational front it incorporates a stretched space, ie something that is stretched. Something that some claim does not exist and has no properties. If that was the case how the hell could you stretch space, and how could atomic clocks be affected by movements in space if space was nothing

Ah yes, I was not being rigorous, as usual. Time dilation "is still the kings new clothes", it does not mean you will live longer, or slower, unless you are using your local clock to give you the time.

The people in the ship will see the clock running, if they use it to measure their heart rates their pulse rate will appear raised, ie running at normal speed, The clock is just an instrument moving through space whose movement is being affected by its movement through space. What experiments have been done to show a living organism would live longer in space when travelling at speed.

A Photon of light. Electrons are viewed in many different ways, I regard them as waves, moving in space, with a charge, momentum, and mass. Electrons exist in shells around a nucleus, outside of an atom. Does modern atomic theory state otherwise. All waves even photons are affected by gravity. The sub atomic particles are all waves they will all be affected by gravity, what part of physics states they wont be what proof do I need. What are you referring too

Gases when heated can reach 2000C water is mostly disassociated at this temperature but at 6000C it is completely disassociated. Plasma in lightning reaches temperatures far in excess of this. Lightning in the atmosphere causes temperatures in excess of 2000C and so would a nuclear bomb exploded in the upper atmosphere where the air is very thin and ions will take longer to recombine.

Received the books this morning, the electron physics book looks very interesting, its a bit if a refresher course or a trip down memory lane. Thanks again for the recommendations. They should keep me quiet for a few days.

Some family groups are on average smarter than other groups, some also have better educations and appear smarter, where as in real life, they are thick as two short planks. Why should this not be the case in with different races, as well. On average we are all human and behave in similar ways, but we all have inherited abilities from our parents. Hitler went down the line with Eugenics and selective breeding to produce a master race. In one of the Scandinavian countries prior to WW2 I think practised sterilisation of any one with deformities or coming from unwanted social groups, criminals, gypsies etc. They have a very healthy population today with few heriditory diseases. I am sorry I do not recall the country, but you can check. By focusing on race and intelligence are people suggesting a controlled breeding program to improve the breeding stock. Or maybe genocide sterilization to selectively breed only from the stronger brighter members of a society. Is this not normally covered by female animals under normal circumstances selecting only males who they think will be useful to them. Males who are going to be failures don't get much choice. Is Eugenics or enforced sterilisation not just forcibly improving the gene pool, which will if left to its own devices slowly improve.

That would depend on how you define the aether. If the aether is equated to space which transmits all known forces such as gravity, it might be interesting to measure the mass of the motors before and after they have been ran. Stretched space would imply an additional mass apparent or otherwise. Is there a gravity anomaly around a motor after it has ran for a few minutes ? The double slit experiment leaves waves for a time, photons create a disturbance in space and a gravity field around them, which can attract other photons. The Aspden effect could of course be due to residual magnetism, increased resistance in the windings, bearings becoming more efficient (or not) etc . The effect does happen, it is just a question of why it happens. Could a spinning motor affect the stretching or contraction of space, and in some way affect the motors inertia.

If you did not want to have heart failure using your clock, your heart rate would have to speed up, otherwise you would die. Using a stationery reference clock your heart would tick as normal. Moving through space and gravitational fields is likely to cause increased aging to your cells and not cause them to go into some hibernation state.

Everything is affected by the stretching of space, it doesn't cause you to age faster or slower, time dilation is just an effect of the way we measure time when an instrument is moving ref to another The people on that ship will be aware that there clock is running slow and age normally. If there was a stationery ref base for an atomic clock in space, that was not expanding, perhaps you could compare your age by that, or perhaps look at the aging process in your cells, which is likely to be increased by being bashed around, and possibly damaged by being moved through gravitational fields, and distorted space,

If I position 10 atomic clocks at the same altitude in geostationary orbits all ticking at the same speed, and fly another past all these stationery clocks, through space, which affects the clocks movement affecting the time it measures, it does not mean actual time has slowed down, it means the actual instrument has slowed down due to the medium space it is passing through. As the mobile clock passes each stationery clock it will see a slight difference in time, but it exists at the same instant in time according to the stationery clock, it has not slowed time. If I position 10 grandfather clocks at the same altitude in geostationary orbits all ticking at the same speed, and fly another past all these stationery clocks, through the air with the pendulum exposed to the wind, which affects the clocks movement affecting the time it measures, it does not mean actual time has slowed down, it means the actual instrument has slowed down due to the medium air it is passing through. As the mobile clock passes each stationery clock it will see a slight difference in time, but it exists at the same instant in time according to the stationery clock, it has not slowed time. Time is just a convenient invention to work out where we are in space at any given time. It does not slow down or speed up. A Photon goes at light speed indefinitely, in space that is moving relative to us. Time is not stationery for the photon, we can work out how long it will take to travel a given distance, and arrive at a position. The instrument slows down used to measure time, in its spacial reference frame. Not actual time. Living organisms are not clocks their aging process are not governed by an instrument that is running slow due to it being moved through a medium. My point is Time Dilation is like the kings new clothes, it is an effect seen on instruments but it does not allow your cells to live longer in a different time reference frame.

Does GPS transmit easily pass through positively ionized air with the electrons driven off after an EM pulse. How long does it take for the electrons to recombine, and emit photons, or radiation. If there is a deficiency of electrons in the air, the remaining positively charges atoms will become highly mobile and collide with other less charged atoms, causing them also to become ionized. Water vapour in the air at around 2000C is mostly fully broken down into hydrogen and oxygen, H+ and O-, by heat, kinetic energy. Would the EM pulse drive the electrons away from the Oxygen. What is the rise time of an EM pulse and how much energy do they have. Is it this charge that is used to knock out Electronics using high altitude nuclear bombs. How does one go about calculating the amount of charge in or induced by the EM pulse. Does an EM pulse cause an avalanche effect as in a Plasma.

It does not contradict anything I have said on this thread. It reinforces what I am saying. Time Dilation as measured on clocks is due to the location of the clock in gravitational field, and movement through space. Time does not slow down, it is just the clock or method used for measuring time slows down. If two clocks move of in different directions and arrive back at the same location reading different times. They both exist at the same time, and place. Their clocks have just been ticking slower due to the influence of distorted space around them. If space is viewed as a substance like a very fine fluid flowing in and around everything, it becomes easier to visualize the gravitational potentials around waves(particles) travelling through the substance of space. If you stick with gravity potential wells it works the same way but isn't so easy to visualize or as dynamic.