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  1. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    a. (i) I do not know on what basis you say that animals are superior to plants. At least how does sexual reproduction make animals more 'adapting' to their environment. (ii) Plants are much more useful to nature than animals. Why would nature prefer animals over plants. b. Surely' date=' nature does not need heterosexual partners to reproduce. There are species where females alone can reproduce. Other species are hermaphrodites and can perform both the functions that in humans are divided between males and females. c. Even if what you are saying is correct, how does it prove that 'heterosexual' people -- as defined by the western society -- are needed to procreate sexually. All you need is a little, periodical sexual interest in females which is limited to mating for reproduction purposes, and any sexual interest in females evaporates soon after that --- not to return before next year or maybe a few years. Isn't that what happens in the nature? And why do females in the wild want sex with males only when they want a baby. The rest of time they chase males away. d. If animals (including humans) were nreally heterosexual, and your evolution theory was also correct, it will follow naturally that evolution will also make sure that males live with females and raise children and not live in male only and female only groups. Which is not the case. Amongst humans it takes a lot of social maneuvering to bring about a mixed gender heterosexual society and a cumbersome marriage institution to bring man and woman together in the rest of the societies. The whole unnatural process creates a lot of waste products in terms of generalised human stress and unhappiness as well as in terms of human beings who are rendered useless --- those who completely fall out of this system. e. If nature indeed evolved to make men heterosexual, why did it not complete that evolution by removing the enormous differences between males and females, that makes it almost impossible for the two to live together. f. How does sexual reproduction preclude using sex for other purposes than procreaton, where the 'other' purposes may be more important for the individual than reproduction. Isn't it possible that sexual desire was already there serving purposes like bonding between same-sex (which in the nature are supposed to live together), and nature chose to piggy back it in order to use it ALSO for procreation? Amongst a particular fish that does not reproduce sexually, they still indulge in sex, and its only with the same-sex. g) Do you think nature would be so stupid as to let human beings multiply like insects and harm nature, by making all of them 'heterosexual' all of the time? Don't you know that overpopulation is as much disastrous for a species as is underpopulation? Is it possible that sexual interest for the same-sex is the basic sexual desire of human beings, -- being a part of human evolution that everyone is born with, and there is a gene which causes 'heterosexuality' (perhaps it makes men secrete a feminising hormone) in people in order to temporarily make them interested in women --- when there is a need to procreate. Seems quite plausible. And this gene becomes abnormal in a few people and overpowers their basic sexual drive. Or may be being exclusively heterosexual is also a normal part of the whole spectrum. For in nature, some males are needed to join in the 'raising of chidren' together with the females, and they need to be exempt from the masculine rough life of the male world. h) Why is sex between men so common -- even preferred over sex with the females in the wild animals, as well as in societies that do not persecute sex between men. (refer to the latest researches on wild animals, including those by Bagemihl) i) If sexual desire for men is only a minor aberration, why is there such a strong persecution of a minority which can't really do much harm. Why do older people worry that even talking favourably about sex between men will make every man want to indulge in it and abandon sexual relations with women. j.) It is quite possible that nature has designed men like other animals where the majority of males do not participate in the mating process regularly. Many males (including alpha males) mate only a few times in their life, and others don't mate at all. At least the oldest surviving human tribes do still behave that way (papa new guinea/ tribes in Andaman and Nicobar islands) -- and they have survived longer than most of the civilised cultures which depend on male-female marriage. k) The only wild animals that show year long bonding needs for females are the 'third gender' ones who actually don't live in the male herds but live with the females as one of them. (refer to the research by Joann roughgarden). [b']CONCLUSION:[/b] The problem is that your 'heterosexual' society deliberately uses a confusing 'sexual orientation' phenomenon whereby you confuse male-female sex with the heterosexual identity. And then assume that biologically sex for reproduction will not take place without heterosexuals. Nature has given men only that much sexual interest for women that can create a balanced human population. Humans have occupied the whole of our planet by disturbing this balance and forcing 'heterosexuality' upon humans.
  2. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    Can you or any one else elaborate so eloquently on what causes so-called 'heterosexuality'? Is it also genetic? What about so-called 'bisexuality'?
  3. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

  4. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

  5. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    If at all they should study how on earth do men become 'heterosexual' when they are supposed to be attracted to both the sexes.
  6. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

  7. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    This study is a western heterosexual propaganda like all the earlier studies of its kind. They are carried on by vested interests --- either by women, or homosexual (third gender) males or by men who are truly heterosexual. All these studies attempt to show that male sexual desire for other men is feminine ("...their brain structures are similar to women's"). And they assume that straight men are essentially heterosexual. The biggest drawback of these studies are that they take the term 'gay' to be a natural 'biological' group. They must first define what they mean by gay. That is the first thing that you would expect from a study that claims to be scientific. You cannot conduct biological studies on socially and politically defined groups. You can't just assume that the members of such groups will have any biological similarity with each other. E.g. you cannot study chinese men and conclude (e.g.) that Asian me are short. For 'Asia' is human defined and is otherwise a wide continent with a wide variety of people in it. You have caucasians, negroids, mongloids and all sorts of combinations living here. The Group 'gay' consists of too many variety of people in it. It's true that most men who join the 'gay' wagon even in the west are transgendered, but then lots of straight men --- who are in fact macho --- join it too. All the studies trying to show 'gay' men as different and "being like women" --- whether in their brian size or otherwise --- have been conducted either by these transgendered people or women. Women incidentally are the ultimate people to gain from a notion that men who have sexual desire for other men are feminine. Now if you select transgendered (or even meterosexual) people and study them, you are going to come up with data that will show similarities with women. Since these transgendered males had 'gay' label, it is fairly easy -- but wrong -- to extrapolate that to the entire 'gay' identity. You can still do that, but then you have to separate straight-gay men from the 'gay' label first. Any project which seeks to study the causes of sexual orientation of people without accounting for the 'gender' of its sample size is going to be highly misleading. For its results are more likely to be because of the 'gender' of their subjects rather than their sexual orientation (or the two may actually be combined in the individuals: e.g. the sexual desire for men in a third gender male may be an integral part of his feminine gender, while in a straight man his sexual desire for men may be part of his masculine gender.). In all probability, if these researchers had chosen transgendered heterosexual people they would have found the same results as in the so-called 'homosexual' people that they studied. I repeat it's a part of the larger heterosexual conspiracy to propagate a man's sexual desire for another man as feminine.
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    Homosexual Gene?

  9. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    You are looking at the whole issue from a man living in modern western heterosexual society. A heterosexual society is an artificial phenomena and it seeks to isolate and then throw sexual behaviour between straight (meaning masculine not heterosexual) men into a category (today called homosexual) that was reserved only for third gender in the ancient world. And why the ancient world. Go to any traditional society, including my own country India. We still have that third gender category alive. We don't see people as homosexual and heterosexual. People have tried to introduce the homosexual identity here but the only vernacular men to take it have been the third gender variety. Traditionally, most men in India have had sex with another man sometime in their life, though they don't talk about these things. Even masculine men who openly seek sex with other men, don't identify themselves as 'homosexuals'.
  10. I have seen all those 'heterosexual' men discussing so-called 'homosexuality' and its causes throwing all kinds of statements, abandoning the board when engaged in a discussion on this question? It quite exposes them --- rather the whole heterosexual society. So here is my challenge to all of you that are part of this heterosexual social order --- and this includes homosexuals, feminists etc. What do you think causes heterosexuality?
  11. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

  12. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    [bUBBLE=I don't know about others, but with what little kinky sex that I have been involved in, I had a sense of mastery over the female(s) involved. They were there to serve ME. ] On the contrary, a natural heterosexual is one who likes to be subordinated by females. He would love to be their servant, he would do anything to please them and win their favour. No wonder a heterosexual society tends to subdue men and masculinise women.
  13. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    [bUBBLE=I don't know about you guys, but I don't find the idea of two females having sex together, any where near as inappropriate as two males having a sexual relationship.] [bUBBLE=This seems to be a common attitude among males. There must have been some research into it already, because it's a particularly odd kind of discrimination.] This is a learned straight male behaviour. It's one of those things that men say to defend or strengthen their 'straight' status. Men have also learned to see things this way.
  14. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    [bUBBLE=It (a specific portion of the brain) is large in women and small in men (or vice-versa), and hence if you have a deformatiy of this part of the brain, i.e. the wrong size, Transvestianism and/or Homesexuality may occur.] This is as much of a lie as is the concept of sexual orientation. First your heterosexual society forcibly isolates men who accept a sexual desire for other men and club them together with feminine, third gender males. Then they study these third gender males and proclaim that 'homosexuality' is caused by things such as mentioned by you. Most of these studies are carried out by over-enthusiastic homosexuals (third gender guys) who have no problems at all with the above arrangement and are eager to establish 'gay' as a separate identity from straight men --- biologically speaking. It is another matter that according to estimates, most queers (third gender/ transexual males) are 'heterosexuals'. But femininity is hardly ever associated with heterosexuality, whereas most ancient societies did so. It is also another matter that if you were to study transexual heterosexuals you would reach at the same conclusion --- that their brains resemble those of women. But they do not want to do that. Cause, scientists are a bigoted lot, and they don't want to protray heterosexuality as feminine. There is only a tiny percentage of males who are naturally heterosexual. And I wouldn't be surprised if they have a lack of male hormones or an excess of feminine hormones or something like that. A gene can also not be ruled out. In the wild, males who bond with females often are inferior or third gender animals. The wild-life scientists so often try to cover up that.
  15. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    [bUBBLE=Does anyone know any stories of gay people who weren't always gay? I really can't imagine any person choosing to be gay. It must be genetic.] This whole "sexual orientation" thing is an imagination of the western heterosexual society. It's not possible to be a masculine (straight) man and not like another man. Go to any society where men still live in male groups (whether or not females are available) and you will know the difference. Men learn to be heterosexual. Heterosexuality is a choice. And one struggles with one's feelings all one's life. The macho men have a bigger need for the 'straight' identity, and they will the first to display a 'heterosexual' identity (in a society that has artificially fixed the equation as straight = heterosexual). The macho men at the same time have a bigger need for other men. They also have a much deeper appreciation of masculinity in others.
  16. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    [bUBBLE=The govenment could train homosexuals to have hetrosexual sex. You know, give them a biscuit if they pick the correct partner. Individual rights are overrated anyway.] That is what the society has been doing for two thousand years. It gives such huge rewards for picking the right partner. Do you remember the first time you had sex with a girl. You felt so powerful, so masculine. It was not real. The society puts you on a pedestal for choosing a female partner. Why do you think all these men stating with pride how they find sex with men in bad taste. At the same time they throw you into unimaginable dept if you do choose a partner of the same-sex. The first thing they do is to take away your manhood. You have to be a homosexual to like other men. This is not natural and it was not always so. You feel so powerless and vulnerable when your attraction to the same-sex finds an expression in front of someone. You feel so womanly, not because you feel feminine, but because everyone thinks its so womanly. No wonder every man has to deal with his sexual emotions for men during his adolescence but wins over it and becomes heterosexual because otherwise life for straight men is unliveable. Of course if your're feminine (queer) then you don't want to be a man in the first place and so are happy to claim a sexual attraction for males.
  17. Buddha

    Homosexual Gene?

    Heterosexuality is unnatural, abnormal and a disease This is not rhetoric. Whether we look at our present day society, or the ancient world --- this is the resounding message that we get. Scientifically, biologically and morally. Man, at least straight man was never ever meant to be heterosexual. Defining Heterosexuality Let's clearly define heterosexuality first. The western society conveniently plays with these words to suit their own anti-men's agenda. In common parlance it is often used to simply refer to sex or sexual desire between male and female. Heterosexuality, however, is not as simple as that, nor is sexual desire for women the ownership of heterosexuals. Heterosexuality in reality is an ideology, which embodies two things: - exaggeration of sexual desire for women to a point that nature can't healthily sustain. - Suppression of sexual desire for men, which is equally unhealthy. Heterosexuality means exclusive and all encompassing sexual desire for women, and an inversion to male eroticism and bonding. Defining Homosexuality It is also important to define homosexuality clearly, since it is cunningly meant to cover two opposite ends of male spectrum --- the masculine and the feminine, which is practically not possible, but the western world has lived with this concoction for a long time. Sex or sexual desire between males is also not the ownership of homosexuals. Homosexuality for all practical purposes refers to sexual attraction of a feminine/queer male (often referred to as gay) either for another feminine man or for a straight man (they are both different desires). Neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality covers the sexual relationship or desire of a straight man for another straight man (or even for a feminine man). Furthermore, neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality even remotely represents the sexual nature of straight men. Sexual nature of straight men Straight men, by nature, are driven to seek sex with women occasionally (about once each year like in the animals). They are meant to seek life-long committed relationship only with other men (mostly straight men). This is supported both by history and the animal life. Most of the men including straight men who go around with the 'heterosexual' label are not really heterosexuals. They are just pretending. The straight man's desire for another straight man is way different than a woman's desire for a straight man or a 'homosexual's' (feminine male) desire for a straight man. A straight man's desire for women is also very different from a feminine man's desire for women. Animal sexuality In none of the mammal species we know of is the male 'heterosexual'. Which other mammal do you know where the male pairs off with a female for lifelong or even for a period greater than a week! Heterosexual mating takes place once a year, during the mating season and that too for a very short duration ranging from a few hours to a couple of days (depending on the species) after which the male goes back to his pack. Of course the discovery channel will not tell you what the males do the rest of the year, although recent discoveries have shown a lot of sexual committed bonding between males. So the guys that bang each other's heads for a **** of the female go back to their male lovers after attending to their natural call --- fulfilling their duty, so to speak. If mammals were indeed heterosexuals they would not live separately for such long periods when they can easily live together. They don't even have to live in male only or female only groups. They can also choose to live in heterosexual spaces like the modern, Christian West does (perhaps the sons of gods of the world couldn't reach them). Animals live according to their natural instincts, not on the basis of some lords or prophets commands. The animal males choose a new female partner each year, whereas, in the few cases studied they tended to bond lifelong with other males (in one-to-one bonds), unless forced apart by death. Clearly the males do not have any sense of commitment or attachment with the females – a basic requirement of heterosexuality. What's more in species like the elephants, the males only approach females when they are about 40 years old. That in a life span which is only about 60 years by which time the elephant is too old even to move around properly. Sex between males is only too well known amongst the elephants. We must not forget that most cases of affection and sexual bonding between males in the wild are not reported by the scientists – a phenomenon which has only now started to be documented. Even if they wanted to, they are too biased and ill informed to really find it out. The strongest bias is this stupid 'scientific' theory that they have that every single move and thought of the animal is (consciously or unconsciously) directed towards facilitating reproduction, especially if it's even remotely concerned with sexual bonding. So if there is sex between males, it has to fit into this 'overall' purpose. Of course they will only look for cases of sex, love between males neither exists in the animal world nor is it important. Another bias is that scientists tend to consider only cases of anal intercourse in animals as 'homosexuality'. That's absolutely illogical (in fact trying to find 'homosexuality amongst animals is itself wrong and biased because it's a peculiarly human /western/Christian concept). Even amongst the humans straight men do not prefer intercourse when they have sex with another straight man. When men have sex with women or with 'homosexuals' they may only have intercourse because it's socially so constructed. Human history Almost all ancient tribal societies, only a couple of which now remain, had institutionalized sexual bonding between men and often gave it precedence over sex with women. In these societies, like in the animal world, sex between males and females happened periodically every year and was restricted to just sex – but only so much that procreation can occur. In fact in all the ancient traditions (there are still several that survive today in non-western societies) womanizing is considered a feminizing factor for men. We don't need to recount what happened in Greece. Suffice it to say that whenever the society accorded male-male bonds its true place, they have marginalized male-female bonds, and societies have been forced to find means to compel men to copulate with women. It seems to be a perenial problem. In medieval societies by which time, male-female marriages were already made compulsory (we are still far away from heterosexuality) and sex between men either flourished (in some societies) side by side under social acceptance if not institutionalization or (in other societies) it was accepted behind the scenes, not openly. But in either case, interaction between man and woman was restricted to just the act of sexual intercourse (which, I might add, in most societies did not involve taking off clothes, nor doing it with lights on) often once in every couple of months). Or to matters concering family (children, ration, etc.). In these societies the issue was 'procreation' and not satisfying women. Also in both kinds of societies sex (not love) between a feminine male (homosexual) and a straight man was openly allowed. This has been the case in most of the non-western world till recent times, before the advent of globalisation and cultural invasion by America which has begun a process of heterosexualisation of these societies. Marriage is unnatural A true man can never share his life with a woman (or even with a feminine male) without sacrificing his happiness. Even a relationship with them is heavy on him. This is something that only a person with enough femininity can afford. In fact the more masculine a man gets the lesser his attraction for women gets too. The love and bonding that a straight man can give to another straight man, neither a woman nor a homosexual male can give to him. A feminine male (homosexual or heterosexual) is equally unlikely to understand a straight man than are women, and is not likely to be compatible with him. They both have the least understanding or appreciation of masculinity. All that they have is a sexual attraction which is transient. Women and Feminine males may like macho men for short term flings, but they soon get bored of it and then they want to change them. Straight men too can at best have short flings with women and feminine males. Interestingly, the same thing happens at the other end of the spectrum --- the more feminine a man gets the lesser his interest in women gets too. You become that, which you love Of course there are some men who are genuinely heterosexual in this world, i.e., genuinely want to share their life with a woman. But these are not the typical males. These true heterosexuals are harmless and enlightened creatures and are most likely the two-spirited people that the ancients once venerated. I.e. they have both the male and female spirits (masculinity and femininity) in them almost in equal proportion. This way you can say that they have 'hormonal balance'. They fall somewhere between the masculine males (straights) and feminine males (including non-homosexuals). These two-spirited people may not be too different from today's meterosexuals. Women who really want to share life with a man really crave for this meterosexual man, not one of those macho or straight guys. The height of heterosexuality is the ultimate two-spirited person – who is also considered to be the epitome of spirituality --- what the heterosexual society has ironically denigrated as 'transsexual' and 'hermaphrodite'. He is a person who is two-spirited from within as well as from the outside – he has male genitals but he feels he is a female – his love for women has turned him into a male-woman. Or he has the genitalia of both male and female as in the case of the hermaphrodite. Incidentally, the height of femininity in males is also Transexuality (although it's not two spirited, only feminine spirited but signifying a unique form of positive energy nevertheless). The height of the masculine spirited (straight) man is macho -- a stage which traditionally insists on total abstinence from women. However, the term macho has been much maligned and distorted by the heterosexual society. The heterosexual version of 'macho' is selfish, cruel, mean, unfair and of course 'heterosexual'. The naturally macho man on the other hand was strong from inside, fair, respectful of others, caring, righteous and a true warrior. He was someone who is a true stickler for fair rules. And it does not need to be said that he took love with a man to its highest form, with total and exclusive devotion – like the ancient Greeks. The world has not seen such love eversince. I'm reminded of an ancient myth, where god Zeus in anger divided his subjects– the male, female as well as the hermaphrodite gods -- into halves. He later relented and sent them to earth as humans, each one's goal in life being to reunite and bond with his/ her other half, in order to become complete again. Thus the males started craving for a man (his other half), the female craved for another female and the hermaphrodite person who was divided into a man and a woman has since been looking for and courting 'heterosexual' bonds. We are all supposed to represent one of these. God does not want man and woman to bond If god wanted man and woman to live together he wouldn't put one on Venus and the other on mars. There is absolutely no understanding between them. There is hardly any sexual compatibility between men and women. Ever since heterosexuality came into being so have innumerable big and small sexual dysfunctions --- problems that have arisen because of forcing men into heterosexuality --- into a sexual bond with women that nature cannot support. There'll hardly be a 'heterosexual' man today who does not face sexual problems even though he may be shy of seeking treatment. Man and woman cannot satisfy each other in bed fully. They both have absolutely different sexual clocks and different patterns of orgasms and absolutely no natural understanding of how the other's body works. Straight men are wary of being intimate with women beyond ejaculation. They do not like to cuddle women in bed. Of course women often complain that men turn the other way as soon as they shed their semen. The orgasm of the female or her sensuality or her femininity in itself does not interest men. It would if it was not forced on them beyond the natural limit. And of course there is the adage that 'men want sex from women' while 'women want love'. Real men just can't dream of emotional intimacy with women --- it's a fact, and I'm sure, most women will not feel sorry because of it. They too (apart from a small minority – the equivalent of male two spirit heterosexuals), secretly, be better off living with their own with occasional sexual escapades with the opposite sex. Surely, if nature had intended heterosexuality it would not be so dumb as to make it so painstakingly difficult. Forcing Heterosexuality If heterosexuality was indeed so natural, such extreme social maneuvering would not have been needed to keep it in place. I mean look at the way the entire society, each and every element of it is meant to promote 'heterosexuality' howsoever uncomfortable or unnatural these elements may seem. So much so that today even small children are taught about dating and made to understand in no uncertain terms that if they want to grow up 'straight' (which they better do!) they must be heterosexual. And to think that these messages go through the most innocent of channels – cartoons. And if 'heterosexuality' was indeed natural it did not need to fear 'homosexuality' so much. There would have been no need for such an immense force to control it as is being used today. Of course in the first place there would have been no need to bring in god to restrain it. If male-male sexuality is talked about it is only of the homosexual variety (stereotyped as feminine guys looking for a ****) so as to keep straight men restrained. And children must be absolutely kept out of it, because the only hope to keep the society heterosexual is to fill their minds with filth about sexual relationships between any kind of males. Because if they fail to do it in that tender age, they have no hope whatsoever. Heterosexuality is an anti-male ideology Heterosexuality makes men subservient to women. A heterosexual society judges a man's manhood by his ability to 'satisfy' women. This gives women an immense power and handle over men. While all women are aware of this power that they have over men (and not all are interested in using them) some sexually aggressive women (polite term for whores) use this power to sexually abuse and exploit men. Because, man will have to submit to a woman's demand for sex lest he be disqualified from being a man. Thus 'heterosexuality' has made men vulnerable to unimaginable sexual abuse. Heterosexuality has created a society where the 'woman' has been granted the power to grant manhood to a man, and it no longer flows from within a man and from being with men. However, this is good news for the weak two-spirited 'heterosexual' (not all heterosexuals need this cheap power). These men not only gladly submit themselves before women, they want to make the entire male species subservient to them. These men can hardly feel for the male race or masculinity because all they can think about is women and femininity and how to serve them. Subsequently, a heterosexual society is over sensitive to the issues of women, but is impervious, often hostile to the needs of men. These weak heterosexuals are the real eunuchs (non-men). They are the betrayer of the male population. They speak for women. They should not call themselves 'men'. They sell out the male race to the women and happily become their slaves. Conclusion: Thus it can be forcefully said that heterosexuality in the form that is enforced in westernized societies – as masculine and majoritarian, is unnatural, abnormal and gives rise to a number of physical, emotional, mental, social and spiritual problems both in men, women and the two-spirited people. At the same time, the whole concept of homosexuality is also unnatural and abnormal in its present form. In fact the very validity of the concept of sexual orientation is questionable, but that is quite another matter. No where in the mammalian world does the male partake in the raising of children. The birds do, and probably that is +why they're heterosexual. But not humans. Children are nice to raise, and men awe women for the power of procreation that they have, but heterosexuality is too heavy a price to pay for it. After all, women cannot make children without men.
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