DandelionTheory

thank you for your reply, i have an additional question to add to your answer: if the conductor was fluid, would the net motion of the charge carriers be greater than with a non fluid conductor with the same applied current? i guess what i'm asking is does resistance decrease with conductor viscosity?

so current through a conductor induces an external magnetic field according to this site: https://nationalmaglab.org/education/magnet-academy/watch-play/interactive/magnetic-field-around-a-wire-i i understand current is described as a net motion of charge carriers in a conductor, but what about moving charge carriers that are fluid? my question is if the charge carrier was a chemical like copper sulfate, do the same rules apply if the copper sulfate's path of motion was confined to a pipe or tube? would the same rules that apply to current in a loop apply to copper sulfate moving in a coil/loop?

when current passes through a conductor loop it makes a magnetic field within the loop according to this site: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/curloo.html according to the following site, the magnetic field direction of a current carrying wire goes from north to south with respect to the right hand rule: https://nationalmaglab.org/education/magnet-academy/watch-play/interactive/magnetic-field-around-a-wire-i in the following picture i drew i attempt to recreate this with an iron core, and represent the resulting respective pole in the color magenta: is my recreation of the general effect correct? -DT

in the attached picture i attempt to show the force I'm working with. The idea is to exploit the force on AB. although the currents in the example DO NOT CREATE A CIRCUIT, they show the force im working with. IF, the circuit were to be closed with a wire from D to C, the total force on DC would cancel out the total force on AB. also, We find the magnetic field vector direction by using the right hand rule. Because the current vector is inline with the writing surface, the magnetic field vector is represented as an X for into the surface and O for the vectors outward direction. Magnetic fields at 90 angles from an ions velocity vector do something curly to its path, but still follow electric field lines. not talking about radiation. im talking about magnetic fields acting on currents in wires and free ions. change your drugs bro.

You don't understand what I'm doing, first understand what I'm saying then you can maybe do something about correcting it. What happens to each current-carrying wire? the total force on each current-carrying wire is in the positive y direction. Some vector directions cancel out.

Electric field potential.

Man that would suck if they weren't in a circuit. Yet..... Maybe, maybe if it was in a vacuum. Look at current direction.

I did, with little blue F's So how are ideas shared? Is it with words and numbers? Can I use reference? It's condescending to tell me to reference something when I referenced it. I would like some support communicating with you, but I'm having trouble. Do I really need to kiss you? Do I have to ask directly or do you just delete people that have trouble communicating? Bro get up, get your big boy pants on and teach me.

Not for accelerating free ions. FORCE ON CURRENT CARRYING WIRE

FORCE ON A CURRENT CARRYING WIRE. ITS CALLED THE LORENZ FORCE. I honestly need to put it down? Can you not read or reference it yourself? I don't need to back up a WELL KNOWN CALCULATION STRANGE. grow up.

That's because you cannot read

How about without permanent magnets?

What say you smarty pants? I was way into the impossible em drive, smoked a huuuuge bowl and discovered the basic idea. If the hypotenuse of a right triangle is open for charge carriers to be free, force applied to the system from the hypotenuse can be negated due to it not being physically attached. If 2 "circuits" are combined at the adjacent leg, the force on each of those legs is cancelled out in the system. What's left is force on the opposite legs. -DT Lol #winning https://www.reddit.com/u/DandelionTheory?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I've been trying to put the math together for this, its out of my league. What i need to answer is: if each charged plate strips/adds electrons to the air molecules they touch, will this configuration of insulators and charged plates produce positive thrust along the main Y axis? -DT PS, "Tah-Dah!"

i have attached a picture attempting to show you some detail. in the picture it depicts wire configurations to exploit the lorentz force on a current carrying conductor so the force vectors on part of each current loop are up. ive been attempting to use current loops to get this to work, but its not much more than a rail gun... the question i have is: aside from the rails repelling each other in a rail gun perpendicular to the armature vector, is there any reason the armature cannot be welded to the rails and enough power applied to force the whole contraption off the ground; and not shoot off like a bullet?

i made a mistake Lxx = length of the section of coil C1 being acted on. also the integrals need to be edited, i didn't have the presence of mind at the time to see this mistake. i'm glad i have a friend to point it out. i have corrected the following variables because the second post cannot be edited any longer.: FnetAD = dFAJ = I1dLAD x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetBC = dFAJ = I1dLBC x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetAB = dFJK = I1dLAB x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetCD = dFJK = I1dLCD x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetAD = dFDK = I1dLAD x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetBC = dFDK = I1dLBC x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetAB = dFAD = I1dLAB x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetDC = dFAD = I1dLDC x (μ0I2/2πdr)

I have a solution. With respect to the picture i attached to this reply, you have to calculate the net force of coil C2 on coil C1. if we assign points, with respect to the rules in the OP, we can assume coil section JK of C1 will experience a greater force from coil C2 section AD than coil C2 section BC will experience from coil C1 section JK. buuuuut you want math, so... to calculate net force coil C2 induces on coil C1 you must brake up each side of coil C2 and calculate its force on each side of C1. so the total net force of coil C2 on coil C1: Ftotalnet = FnetAJ + FnetJK + FnetDK + FnetAD now for a perpendicular current we need integrate, because the farther you move from a magnetic field source the weaker it becomes. to calculate the force on each section of coil C1 when the current section of C2 is perpendicular, we have to break up the length into arbitrary lengths d, calculate the force on each length, and add the net force. FnetAJ = FnetAD + FnetBC + FnetDC FnetAD = dFAJ = I1dLAJ x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetBC = dFAJ = I1dLAJ x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetDC = I1b(μ0I2/2πrAJ) FnetJK = FnetAB + FnetCD + FBC + FAD FnetAB = dFJK = I1dLJK x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetCD = dFJK = I1dLJK x (μ0I2/2πdr) FBC = I1b(μ0I2/2πrJK) FAD = I1b(μ0I2/2πrJK) FnetDK = FnetAD + FnetBC + FAB FnetAD = dFDK = I1dLDK x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetBC = dFDK = I1dLDK x (μ0I2/2πdr) FAB = I1b(μ0I2/2πrDK) FnetAD = FnetAB + FnetDC + FBC + FAD FnetAB = dFAD = I1dLAD x (μ0I2/2πdr) FnetDC = dFAD = I1dLAD x (μ0I2/2πdr) FBC = I1b(μ0I2/2πrAD) FAD = I1b(μ0I2/2πrAD) where: I1 =current of coil C1(Amps) I2 = current of coil C2(Amps) rxx = distance between currents being calculated(meters) b = length of coil section C2 working on C1(vector) r = distance between current section being calculated and I2 now if you need to calculate the net force of coil C1 on coil C2, you would apply the same equations to each coil sides respectively. But you'll find the net force acting on C1 is greater than the force acting on C2. -DandelionTheory

i need some help answering this question about calculating force on a portion of a coil. got it from here: if lines DK < KC, lines AJ < JB, lines AJ = DK,and lines AD = BC i can calculate the magnetic field from each side at point P with: B = [μ0I/4π(L/2)] [Sinα +Sinβ] (the same α, L and β variables used in the video) how do i calculate the force on coil C1 line JK if both coils magnetic fields come out of the screen? (picture, not video) -DT

woopsie, i got mixed up.

So if we rotate the lorentz force vector tool, we see that a magnetic field is required for force to be inline with the main axis of rotation. not possible with this setup. BUT if we do this with them...... the force vectors are in the same direction. So if we do this with them..... LOL math. -DandelionTheory

inefficient is a matter of opinion, science is a study of the observable universe. observable phenomenon attempted to be describable to another observer. explainable by means of math and gesture, like an art, we find many means to convey our findings to one another; and to isolate the very freedom of thought to one means of communication is narrow minded and some serious gatekeeping. i used physical representations of force on a charged particle in a magnetic field(the vector tools), by means of real world calculation. that counts. if you visualize only what dimensions you're working with at a time its easier to handle larger pictures after a long thought process. laws of physics can be made out to be a list of dance steps and an acrobat could then calculate gravity's electric analog or some such. you do not govern our understanding of the universe, you observe it. as a scientist, you call yourself, i would assume you could observe the universe or a representation of it, and understand what its representing when physical processes are conveyed. am i the only one? math is a version of expression i'm not familiar with yet; i literally did this with a marker, some vector tools, the right hand rule, and time... i learned the rules from scientists like you, on websites you post here on the forum to learn from. i get the concepts. to me this is a puzzle and a craft. using the forces of nature like guides in my journey of discovery. they cannot be bargained with. math is great in showing us exactness, since when is exactitude important when conveying basic ideas like the lorentz force? speaking of puzzles, you can solve a jigsaw puzzle with math; or you can just try it out and do it. see since i see it as a craft, i NEED to be sure of my tools. so i made physical representations of force on a particle in a magnetic field, and saw what the magnetic fields and velocity directions were needed to create linear motion in one general direction. oh look, it worked something interesting out. i would like to show you with a picture and words... math is not THE language of science, we also use pictures and wave our hands around a lot when speaking person to person. you don't need a calculator learn how to put the cube in the square hole. attempt to convey prime numbers as an equation to a 3rd grader. no words now, your rules... can you?! if you also claim they are the tools of science, i will show you how to rub 2 sticks together to make a campfire. -DandelionTheory

I dont know how to go about calculating this with math, personally i dont think i would need much for a proof of concept. it seems a person that needs math to explain things to them has trouble working out problems in their head. because i dont need math to tell me the rules of the road or how to turn a wrench, i need math for counting. physicists need math to claim rule over an idea, i never will. math is a language and forcing someone to speak a language doesnt make them intelligent, it makes the person forcing math a "gate keeper" and it makes the person being forced compliant. i could tell you "i learned it from the universe, it and i communicate". that is a language, why dont you translate math into universe? my attempt to communicate this idea with you is this, i am doing the best i can to make it easier for you to understand but i do not speak math i speak universe and english. heres a picture of the tools i used to help me see the force vectors rotate. I did however find someone kind enough to take this idea to their physics professor, the professor was curious enough to enter the data into a program. the result that i received was "it achieves linear motion, but centrifugal force rips the rings appart very quickly". so i drew up the latest iteration. if i could badly guess, its close to rail gun physics; with a dash of charged particle in a magnetic field. -DandelionTheory

So someone brought up a point i want to throw out there. there would be alot of centrifugal force on the rings. so i drew this up, the bottom setup turns the force vectors towards the center axis, buuuuuuut i am not too sure this isn't cheating... i mean through definition i can conclude the black arrow is an electric field; inline with the magnetic field axis created by ions moving from one ring to the other. i can also conclude the rotation of each ring causes the ions in it to make a magnetic field like this. so i don't see how this is wrong, but it looks weird... -DandelionTheory

nope, have you considered free ions adding to the system? you seem to be asking if i know the difference between charge carriers and current in a circuit, yes. since i used the actual force vector idea(force on a particle in a magnetic field) for the electrons in the ring while saying the rings physically rotate, i can safely say i get what current is and what charge carriers are: current is the physical movement of negative charge carriers, in a metal object the shell configuration allows for rapid ionization so the electrons physically move about. an abundance of circuit current would be a battery positive and negatively charged(BUUUUNCH of electrons). so there. add more, you might get ions from the atmosphere to take some and make magnetic fields >.> it also makes the metal ring "electron heavy" relative to what? current is a rate of moving charges through a carrier, each ring relative to the other has a current in the opposite direction. be aware if you strip electrons from a ring that means you have to treat it as proton heavy. you don't even know how it works completely, brave. you know i noticed how much of a wind this thing would turn up, it would be funny if it could generate some power back with a turbine. lol. -DandelionTheory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_current: "In a conductive material, the moving charged particles that constitute the electric current are called charge carriers. In metals, which make up the wires and other conductors in most electrical circuits, the positively charged atomic nuclei of the atoms are held in a fixed position, and the negatively charged electrons are the charge carriers, free to move about in the metal." so if i wanted to use the lorentz force calculations on a wire, the force on the wire would be the same vector setup as the electron motion in a magnetic field. the process in which an electron is either added to or stripped from an atom/molecule. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/253020/amperes-law-for-a-rectangular-plate too bad.