Coherentbliss

Predictably, schools and life teach us what we want and need to learn. I want to also learn the unpredictable. Science without imagination is like toast without butter. I prefer homemade apple butter on mine. There are many great minds here but some of them remind me of the first video games that came out...stuck with what they were "programmed" with.

the speed of light changes as it passes through different parts of space and we cannot calculate the speed as we once thought....correct? If we send a beam of light from earth and between earth and the target there is a collapsed star or a worm hole then that beam of light could slow way down....???? so...like everything else there must be a plan, a rule, a map etc...to engage a test. But even after the latter we can't be at the point of light to measure it...thus proving math is just a concept WE have made to try to place order in our minds...."if we don't cast out a fishing line nothing will get caught...." becomes an oxymoron because EVERYTHING "we" do is explicit to our reality of which we create FOR us. We can only see our reality because we are blinded by the shades we place over our own eyes BECAUSE of our "reality".

This may not be the place to discuss this but thought i'd give it a try. Why doesn't anyone make/sell a personal huge hard drive DVR that we could upload a thousand movies to and create a personal organized library of movies so we could watch one at any time? A device that we can insert a DVD, record it onto the device and then manipulate it in an organized library. Then watch it, record it onto a another DVD disk or a thumb drive...does anyone make this type of hardware?

Hope all is well with you during and after your operation.

I apologize for my ignorance, I just find this topic fascinating and will do some research before I make a fool of myself again...or at least try lol. Thanks

I would say plant life had a long time to develop and grow and multiply thus creating soil because isn't soil made from partial plant life? The earth had to of been all rocks, fire/heat from volcanic reaction, water and different gases. No plant life, no life whatsoever. Ok then, if earth was just a molten sea of rock and then eventually cooled down I guess a type of soil could have developed via rock movement and wind/water/fire erosion. This soil would have been sand and powder having the elements of whatever the types of rock held, water, ash, nitrogen, argon and carbon dioxide but no methane or oxygen yet? So obviously the latter "basket of goodies" had to of created the very first plant life. I'm sure those of you much smarter than myself know the correct terms and names for the above but essentially the above scenario is about right? If I missed some ingredients for that (place in time) please fill it in and then answer the question above. If these set ingredients created the very first plant life then it would be astounding to know what this first plant would look like and the cells/dna picture. Since it seems it would be easy to determine this very first soils elements, it also seems it would be easy to replicate it in the lab. But then again i'm sure there were different (and less) elements available back then, that we have no clue about.... So if we have the basic known elements from the above scenario has any lab tried to create a plant life....or "life"? Because knowing what was there at the beginning rules out much other elements that would not have been there before plant life...I am assuming plant life was the very first "life" form because from plants we got methane and oxygen right? And we needed the latter two elements to start other life forms next...right? Would be nice to see an updated synopsis from the time the earth cooled until the first life form... showing the elements to that point (very first life form).

So in this "soup", which came first in the Genome? And what is the finding for how different genomes manifested...was it part of the evolutionary process or happened right off the bat?

The way I lost weight quickly was to go on a strictly seafood diet.. you can eat as much as you want but no bread (no buns or breaded coatings), no dairy and also eating a lot of spinach salads with traces of chicken, onions and a little dressing. When you get tired of seafood eat a plate full of green veggies and a few Kiwi's....no potatoes Stay away from any drive through. If stuck in a restaurant dont eat any bread or breading or gravy, pasta etc. My rule of thumb is If a certain food fills you up quickly it is a sign to not eat that particular food at all.,,example is potatoes, cereal, cakes, almost everything lol. Some foods that do not fill you up quickly are seafoods, veggies, watermelon, etc......think about it...it is usually the crap put over/on the food that makes you fat.

I still find it hard to fathom the millions of life forms (plant, insect, hominid, homo sapiens etc.) that have evolved from the original bowl of soup....yes there were many different bowls of soup scattered across the globe (had to of been) but the primordial soup would have had the same or very similar ingredients. What is the theory on how we got so many life forms from the original primordial soup? Over time I'm sure new bowls of soup arrived starting a new life form. Why have we not witnessed a new life form appear in the last say 500 years? Besides in the lab...

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So true

i agree and disagree. In some cases we need control and in others we don't...depends upon the circumstances. If we "live and let live" and do not try to grow won't we become stagnant? But I think I know what you mean. You hit on another great point "The only mindfulness you need is to understand yourself well enough to forgive the same faults in others." I think I said earlier some people do not need to practice controlling their thoughts so this thread would be focused on those who do. I feel the aspect of actually being in charge of what our brain thinks is a practice many people need, but in order to obtain a level of triumph they first need to know that they need to use this practice. In other words there are many people who live their lives in an angry pit, or in a naive pattern, a defensive mode etc. etc. Picking out a problem area we have and applying this practice...if one does it enough he/she will succeed and eventually it will be a part of their norm...a happy ending. And what's wrong with being happy all the time? Or most of the time? Being content/happy is not saying one doesn't strive for more knowledge...it's saying the journey will be a more relaxed and enjoyable one. Why choose to be angry when we don't have to be...or sad...or worried...or or or or. Because when we are the latter things we are "choosing" and "deciding" subconsciously to be those things. I know that when my dog died I was sad and still am...I chose to keep this emotion because of the love I have for her, but I chose to not let the emotion ruin my work or play or day. When I had to have my horse put down a few weeks ago (because of her age and health) I could not be there when the vet did it or when the tractor dug the hole and buried her because it (for me) would have been to difficult. I chose to avoid the scene in hopes of remembering our years riding together and her yelling at me for food etc. In the past before I practiced being in control of my actions/brain I probably would have become angry, got drunk and caused other drama to myself and others like so many people do today. All in all the practice of being aware of ones thoughts does change lives for the better and cannot see any way it could change lives for the worse..of course unless a person has serious mental disorders and should be medicated the rest of their lives.

Lol you're right! This has probably already been said but some obvious reasons to say animals have a conscious is that they learn, listen and react and also have a kind of reasoning. To say that the latter is all instinct.... Maybe they have progressed to the point beyond our intellect and realized the things that matter the most lol....food/survival..the rest being redundant.

Why is there no forum for it? Just asking....(new guy) Or did I not see it somewhere?

I think I can say in all honesty that most of us here do not understand the functions of thought inside an animals brain and that this topic is very interesting to say the least. I just wanted to throw-in my .02 and say...what if animals do have a conscious and use it but do not have any emotions? I know that my last dog would "pout" when he was yelled at...he would put his head down (like in shame) and walk away and lay down somewhere for awhile. Is that an emotion? or is it a conscious? If animals had no emotions then maybe this is why we cannot understand how they think because humans main base is emotions. I'm probably all wet but wanted to throw this in the mix. Also, regarding the following quote by Ten oz I want to thank Ten oz for putting it on here because although I am a big dummy, this quote has ran through my mind in the past regarding these types of people but of course not in those exact words.I just hope I am not one of them....or maybe all of us are in some small way.

You brought up a great aspect....the "trigger" that starts the ball rolling... I've found that using the practice of paying attention to ones thoughts also helps in seeing a trigger before it is pulled...it took awhile to get to this point for me. I must add that many people have this ability naturally and those types I like to be around lol. It seems those who have a natural insight to their thoughts and emotions usually have a very positive and assertive personality...always seem happy and in a good mood. Being around these types is a good thing for anyone who is beginning to see the difference between arrogance and assertiveness...another interesting topic. Have any of you experimented with this yet? ...Catching yourself thinking something negative while driving or working etc.? When in the past you would have just kept-on thinking about the negative until it became anger...practicing on the little things helps tremendously with the bigger things. And yes some emotions are good to go through but asking yourself "where is this going?" would be an automatic thought once one has been practicing of being in control of ones thoughts. There are a few good things that come from this practice and one of them is that you find yourself in a better mood more often. Negative thoughts can lead to depression also....another topic lol.

I won't use the phrase "for many of us" because I can only speak for myself....and following a crowd is not my style. Not knowing something is everyone's dilemma including yourself. All we can do is weigh the information and hope for more, and also use what information is already available and study in a non-bias atmosphere. The latter is a hard one for most. I've always believed a good student/scientist will study all sides of a question and not just the parts that lean towards his/her way of thinking. Heck, if we all only studied the things we agree with where would we be?....in a world of hurt. I can see that you are a smart individual and have a set paradigm relating to the god factor...but answer me this, have you ever studied creationism using a strict non-biased platform? I guess one could say have you ever looked over the fence and then decided to actually use the gate? Maybe yes maybe no. IMO many people do not "use the gate" because they are afraid of what they might find, or they are afraid they might become brainwashed because they don't have the strength or wisdom to learn about this subject without becoming "one of them". The very first thing anyone needs is self confidence in ones own mind....in other words a good student will not follow others opinions or beliefs until they themselves have studied it first. If you are interested in knowing a few of the reasons I believe in a creator I would be glad to tell. If not, then hey great...I wish you well and prosperous in all that you do.

You are correct. There are many questions none of us will ever be able to answer and this fact is not a reason to not believe in something. Just because one believes in something (anything) does not make it true. This stands for both of us. But I "choose" to believe. It is none of my business what anyone else believes unless they try to force it on me and visa-versa. We all go through our lives with opinions and beliefs and as time passes some of these change...it is human nature to believe something and later change our minds...but hopefully always seeking more wisdom as we do it.

Really? hmmmm......can you explain your way or ability or how you comprehend this? To me both answers are perplexing...each one assumes some kind of designer or "god". For energy/matter to have always existed for ∞ is saying we believe in the tooth fairy....in other words we might as well believe in anything that makes for an easy answer. But then we could just as easily say energy/matter was created by a designer/God. IMO either answer is beyond any comprehension but the designer/God theory would be my Ocham's Razor. But...if t=∞ then who or what assembled matter/energy to give us our show in our short time of existence? By "show" I mean the things we humans see, feel and touch on Earth and in space.

I think both of you are correct to a point. I have a very hard time with a certain subject and find myself in a rage emotionally within the onset of it...but practicing controlling my thoughts has gotten me to the point where at least now I can calm down much sooner then ever before and actually talk about it within minutes...of course this emotional rage is not physical but just an emotional pull. The practice of controlling ones thoughts on the onset is harder to do but IS DOABLE. Dimreepr makes the point on manic depressives and this is also true for others who have some type of mental problem. A good friend of mine (now but not before I got to know him personally) was raised by a drug addict mother and left to find his food at the age of 4...on the streets. At age 9 he stole a police car (in Seattle) and crashed it causing himself a brain injury that has shaped his life-long in and out of jail routine because of his inability to reason. He is now 35 yrs old and has been out of trouble for almost 5 years now and 75% of the reason is because he moved in with me and other roommates who did not put up with his problems and showed him what he was doing. The other 25% (i'm guessing) is he is "growing up". He still struggles with arguing but is now aware of it on the onset. My point is that if he can change his thinking then most people can if they are given guidance and a chance. But those of us who consider ourselves as "normal" (is anyone normal? lol) have a much better perspective of our own cognitive abilities. To me it is a very interesting subject because it does work and does help many people have a smoother life...being in control of our own thoughts....being aware of them upon delivery. It's like we all have a second mind working inside us and we learn to watch it and analyze it to make it our own. I still say to people...."who's in control, you or your brain?" Sorry for typing so much but wanted to comment on Dimreepr's question "Are you suggesting we can consciously decide to be happy when sad/bereaved?" I think Dimreepr hit the nail on the head. YES WE CAN. ​Using the above practice along with consciously spelling-out the things we have gratitude for and actually taking the time to analyze the sadness and where it came from we will many times find that the sadness goes away or at least turns into a neutral understanding. Worry was and still is (to a lesser degree) one of my worst habits and have had to use this practice many times and now I am to the point of much less worry....no matter why I worried or where it came from...no matter what the roots of the negative pattern are, controlling and focusing my thoughts helped tremendously. Instead of focusing on the possible outcome of my worry. Ok now i'm rambling again.

Yes, like most things in our life we become "tuned" into a repetitious being and eventually we begin to see other paradigms that we want to chase. Growing old brings hassles but also brings new awareness...it's perplexing at times when we look back at our lives and see how we have changed...and wish we knew then what we do now. And later we look at that same wish and laugh at ourselves lol. Life (IMO) is a never ending knowledge sponge...the trick is getting rid of the old bad to make room room for the new better....it's like squeezing a sponge before we use it lol...keeping the old (bad) knowledge just gets in the way. Tuning our mind to be aware of our own faults eventually manifests new awareness and we become at peace within ourselves no matter what is going on around us...but we also do not allow ourselves to be in a place that causes drama any longer and this too contributes to this peace. Learning to say "no" can be a hard one but has tons of rewards...and not just for ourselves. Do we walk into a pit of mud on purpose? Do we associate ourselves with those who play in the mud? I guess if it was a sexy woman wearing a bikini then maybe lol. As long as there was a shower or hose nearby. What I'm saying is why place ourselves and those we care about in a bad situation? Our thoughts will eventually manifest into reality...let's keep the bad thoughts at bay. Ok I'm rambling time to go

"Are you suggesting we can consciously decide to be happy when sad/bereaved?" Yes! And so much more. The study and techniques on this subject shows most of us have the power to change our thinking process upon awareness...the key is learning how to be aware of our thoughts in the moment. It takes practice because we are so used to how we think and react and have accumulated a life time of information that our mind responds to/uses every day. We all "decide" subconsciously how we will react, feel and speak. Teaching ourselves to pay attention to what our mind is thinking and the emotions we are feeling and analyzing these two things changes lives. Many therapists use the latter to help people see themselves and the problems they have. You, me and everyone else "decides" to say or do something and mostly based upon emotions. Controlling ones emotion-based responses and learning positive options is changing many peoples lives for the good. I am not saying to discard emotions. I'm saying change our thinking. Many people argue just because of pride...but can't see it. Others become angry at something and react without realizing they don't have to feel angry at all. But like I said...not all people can do this because many people have stuck themselves in their own little box and don't even know there is a whole other world out there and the knowledge we have is little in comparison.

I would like to see some responses on this topic....it seems most people assume their thoughts and emotions and don't know that they can actually change them on command once they learn it is possible. But some people are not capable of this. Do you understand what awareness and direction of thought is? Would be interesting to see what you think it is....without Googling it. Thanks A wise man seeks wisdom....a fool thinks he knows enough