toolsoftrust

I have to go. I just realized I was banned here at an earlier date.

Science cannot even prove that the speed of light (the measure of time) is constant from beginning to end. Every scientific observation is based on 2 time-clocks: the span of a human-being's scientific experience, and the written accounts. Yet you only accept the written accounts of scientific decisions. That's what they are--decisions. If this isn't so, then tell me how you know the speed of light from it's origin to the present time and place. Nonsense. To any reasonable person. Fact, by definition, is proven, not apparent. This is a public forum for discussion, not for conflict. I wouldn't follow someone into a lab or an environmental study and start preaching to my adversaries. You choose adversity. I come in friendship.

The problem with so-called "facts," in science, is that science is a community, that jointly accepts *evidence* (not proof), as fact; the only facts that are truly proven, are events having already occurred. For example, there's no guarantee that any certain community will not be attacked tomorrow. Yet if a national informer were to report to a primary officer of such planned attack, it would be considered strongly. Such tactics are wise, and based on knowing. Yet the scientific community does not ever take human testimony as evidence, because evidence isn't proof. If a trusted friend told you about covert plans against you by a known enemy, you would accept his testimony. But you dismiss any testimony about Jesus.

It seems clearly that there is never a unit of nature, whether natural or "supernatural," that is perfectly symmetric, and that every unit of nature is perfectly asymmetric. Earth is a semi-symmetrical unit. Earth, moon and sun are a common unit. Earth, moon, "planets," sun and stars are another natural unit. Everything lacks perfect symmetry, and mandates perfect asymmetry. Regions of the seas appear at times to be ungoverned, but are clearly of one surface with the rivers and water tables, modulated by the ebb and flow of those rivers, and by the water tables under the earth, and by the winds and by vaporization and condensation. The passing of seasons on earth appear to be symmetric, but then they seem out of step with the moon's wax and wane. The passing of the earth's evenings and mornings seems perfectly uniform, yet no perfect number of days fits precisely within the bounds of seasons and moons. It would seem then, that necessarily, there is an eternal Creator, and that He fashioned the worlds by a perfect art, a discipline far weightier than science. Moreover, those of a common faith with the Bible, would require that Genesis chapter 1 is perfectly uniform with nature. Those of a contrary view from the Bible, would require that nature is irrational and that asymmetry is dominant in the universe since it's symmetry is purely coincidental. Since this discussion will probably evoke resentment in some, I thank any persons now, who participate, in case it is ever censored. The question at hand then, is this: Who made the universe? I say Jesus of Nazareth made the universe.