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Sorry I forgot to put the source. Here is the diagram source: Chart adapted from B.C. Nelson, The Deluge Story in Stone , Appendix 11, Flood Traditions, Figure 38, Augsburg, Minneapolis, 1931. In response, we couldn't deny the common fact of flood's universality as seen on the diagram.How can civilisation of different locations (rivers & coast) have a similar account for a universal flood? Other than that the commonality also of favored family.

There seems some commonality of the flood traditions from around the world with the biblical account of the flood although there are also differences of them. See the image. My conclusion is these flood traditions seems to originate from a single source. Now what is your conclusion?

The problem of us is we put ourselves the center of all. When God really is the center of all because He is the source of all things and worthy of praise. Putting ourselves in the center gave negative consequences such us sufferings because we forgotten the true center who is God. You see it as God introduce evil but it is actually not. God made the early world perfect but because our first parents rebel it become imperfect. Again I want to emphasize that it is due to freewill that evil may arise. But it doesn't mean that God is responsible for the evil deeds of His creatures because His creatures are morally obliged to do right before Him.

Otherwise we will not exist and experience His love

Sorry brother, your analogy doesn't fit what I mean. I answer that question and my posts were the ellaborations of my answer. Please read my posts.

God knew what would happen but He did this because of a wider framework that is to bring greater glory to Himself and to share His love to humans. If God would not create us then we cannot experience the majesty of existence in the glory of God. But He created us knowing the consequence of freewill because it right. The problem of us is we put ourselves the center of all. When God really is the center of all because He is the source of all things and worthy of praise. Putting ourselves in the center gave negative consequences such us sufferings because we forgotten the true center who is God.

God has the right because He is the one who gave us life. And true happiness is not really in this world but in the kingdom of God.

Ok brother let me explain. God create free creatures because only free creatures can experience love and glory of God. God did not create robots because it is not capable of awareness. You can't make free creatures do only what is right, that's logically impossible.

He really stop them. He stop their rebellion and He threw them in this world. The rebellion of this fallen angels is not yet done. They knew that they will be thrown to the lake of fire. The fight is still going on and sadly humanity became involved in this fight because of our first parents. Hell is not really for us humans it is intended only for Satan and his fallen angels. And I will add in the rescuer, if we see that it is right to kill one person to save the many in the eyes of God it is wrong. The rescuer has no right to get the life of that person. But if not killing that person those many will die but they die not because they killed by human but they die because God get their lives which is more justifiable because God has the right to take life not humans.

I don't really mean it is not absolute. I mean it could be right in our eyes, but the rescuer kill a person to save the many is wrong in the eyes of God because He is the only One who has the right to take life. The rescuer has no right to take life of that person. It is only in our perspective that it is right. It is not God who created evil. It is cause by His rebellious angels. Evil is the consequence freewill. Evil is the privation of good.

Yes I listen to that. It could be right to kill a person to save the many and it could also be wrong because you kill that person. Only God has the right to take life not us. He has the right to take our life because He is the One who give us life. God could use evil to bring greater good. If we encounter evil in our lives it doesn't mean it is all evil, it has a purpose to bring good to yourself. As what apostle Paul said, the afflictions or sufferings of Christians in this world are not worthy to be compared to the weight of glory which shall be revealed by God. The problem of evil is not really an objection to theism, paradoxically, God is only the answer to the evil around us for He will redeem us.

Deep in your heart you know that certain things are right and wrong. I know if I kill you it's really wrong and you would also think it's wrong. Only Christianity is consistent in explaining our world today. It is full of suffering and evil because it really a fallen world. No I am not preaching, it is the ellaboration of my explanation.

Central American cultures have different religion compared to Judaism of the time of Abraham. Israel is the chosen people of God. Central American are gentiles. They are farout in knowing the true God. Their hearts were already clouded.

I just want to say that originally we know right and wrong but because of evil desires our hearts are clouded in doing right and we are drag to do wrong. The world is the testimony of the truth of Christianity. Our world is full of evil because it falls into the curse of sin. Our first parents rebelled against our creator. They rebel because they were carried by temptation and evil came to their lives and to this world. This also happens to us. If we are carried by temptation evil will come to our lives. It is my testimony to my life. I was addicted to pornography but He healed me from addiction. He saves me from evil. Thanks be to God for He sent His son to redeem us from evil and destruction and give us everlasting life.

Abraham cried when he is going to sacrifice his son. God only test Abraham's faith on Him. Abraham's son was not sacrifice afterall.

They think it's evil but their hearts and minds are polluted by their ideologies. Like what happened to the Nazi Germans. They know it's evil but because of their ideologies their hearts were clouded. They know it's evil but they have to do it. We are humans who knows what is right or wrong but if our hearts and minds are polluted by evil desires, we will not know right from wrong. But objective morality still exist even we don't already know right from wrong. God is justified to condemn us.

It is truly evil and worst if you kill it without any reason. Objective moral values do exist. There is a term evil because there is really evil. Some things are really wrong. There is really evil that's happening around us. Otherwise, we don't complain on it. From this, objective morality do exist.

Is killing your own child objectively evil or not. I think it's evil. You would also think it's evil. We agree on this even we have different culture.

Sorry for late reply. I mean the evil around us.We are experiencing it in different aspects of our life. There is objective morality because we see things us truly evil. Such us killings. It is really evil if we see it. And if you think it's not then why?

Evil is real and we are experiencing it. We complain of the evil around us. There are different types of evil as we know such as natural-calamities, manmade-wars, crime, emotional/psychological, physical-illnesses. Now for a moment, can't we just think of the redemption from this evil and the justification of why it happened to the world? Can science justify or explain the evil or religion? And if religion I think it's Christianity that can explain and provide salvation from this evil? For you, what do you think?

That's what I really mean. That's not omniscience, that's omnipotence. Omnipotence doesn't imply that God can do the logically impossible like the example you gave. That's logically impossible. There are verses also in the Bible that's impossible for God to do like He is impossible to lie. It is logically impossible as a married bachelor. Again omnipotence doesn't imply that God can do the impossible. He can do what's possible. The quote " With God nothing is impossible" doesn't mean He can do the impossible but rather it means He can do things impossible to us humans. I don't get that it is being contradicted. They only show to me that Omniscience of God contradicts freewill but I give an explanation for it.

But I argue that it's not an ordinary rain from the sky, and also the rain happen for a long period of time. With God nothing is impossible. He can make the global flood!! His ways are higher than our ways. What seems impossible to us is possible to Him.

That's the consequences of having freewill. God knew that if He create free creatures, there are disdvantages that will arise but He also knew that only through freewilled creatures, He can share His love because only freewilled creatures have the ability to realised and experience love. If they are not freewilled, they will be like robots who only obey without realising the love of God. It is logically impossible to make freewilled creatures to do only what is right because they will not be called freewilled. It is as logically impossible as a married bachelor. So we must accept the negative consequences of being freewilled. God is very good that He created us having freewill so we can experience love from Him. But having freewill has negative consequence like doing wrong actions. But which is more important, God will not create freewilled beings because of it's negative consequences or He must create freewilled beings to experience His love? I think the latter is more important. If you choose the first then you should think that you should NOT exist.

The point here is our actions happened at once and cannot be unact. I want to show you that even God knows what will you do in the future, you are still free. Does God's foreknowledge of your future actions eliminates your freewill? No. Your are still free.

God sees that those people have the chance to change.Or their continued living has a purpose for the good. I admit it is a hard subject to think about because God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts. But all I can say is that Adam and Eve has freewill so God will not touch their freewills even He knew what will happen to them. But note God already warned them. Nice analisation, but I can say that it doesn't mean if God knows their future there is no free will to them. It only shows the omniscience of God.