Olin

So you also can not refute the fact that there was once ice at the equator, long before refrigeration....

Feel free to claim that there was not once ice coverage at the Equator https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100304-snowball-earth-ice-global-warming/ This pretty much wrecks the all humans are responsible for all warming hypothesis

No that is not evidence that anything I have said is wrong, or that climate change began recently in Earth terms

A map drawn by someone duped by climate change fools https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=worst+flooding+ever+in+australia&FORM=HDRSC2

The changes today are minor when compared to ice ages beginning and ending. You need to accept this, as you can not prove otherwise and all the evidence proves that today's changes are minor

Again, the climate is most certainly changing. It's been getting warmer for 20,000 years, deserts are forming, as other areas are greening. Claiming that Australia did not recently have the worst flooding ever filmed is actually funny. But you keep trying, feel free to call a friend

So you can't point to any mistake that I have made. Excellent, thank you for your honesty

My threads were closed because you can not disprove one thing in any of them, so you stomp your little feet and end the truth in favor of your fiction

Are you seriously trying to say that the climate was not shifting when thousands of feet of ice formed covering continents, and again when it melted? Are you seriously implying this? or that the baby changes happening now when compared to thousands of feet of ice forming and then melting are not normal? Don't give up your day job

Actually when I open my own thread I will be banned again. The fact is that none of you can mount any argument against the truth which is actually very plain to see, the truth is that climate change is real and was happening when thousands of feet thick ice sheets formed, and when they melted. The minor melting happening today is quite normal, which is why Mann only looked at the last thousand years........................LOL

You miss the point as hurricanes were used as an example of climate change, and clearly they are weather. That said all the people who believe in climate change do is make up stuff anyway. Can you explain when climate change is known to have not been happening on the Earth? No you can't, just as you can't actually say that the melting of the ice age was caused by caveman roasting mammoths, or fossil fuel burning that was not happening

LOL seems that you need to not confuse climate and weather, or are hurricanes not weather in your world Hurricanes that affect California are mainly the remnants of hurricanes or tropical storms. In the twentieth century, only four eastern Pacific tropical cyclones have brought tropical storm-force winds to the Continental United States: the 1939 Long Beach Tropical Storm, Tropical Storm Joanne in 1972, Tropical Storm Kathleen in 1976, and Tropical Storm Nora in 1997.[4] Pre–1930[edit] After October 1854: A system considered to be a tropical cyclone made landfall over northern California, just north of the Golden Gate.[5] October 2, 1858: The 1858 San Diego hurricane passed very close to Southern California. It brought several hours of hurricane and gale-force winds to an area stretching from San Diego to Los Angeles. This storm was reconstructed as just missing making landfall, dissipating offshore.[4] Sometime before October 14, 1858: Since this tropical cyclone is reported in a newspaper as being only "one of the most terrific and violent hurricanes ever noted", the report may imply the existence of an earlier hurricane in southern California.[4] Other than occurring before the newspaper account was published (October 18, 1858), everything else about this "hurricane", including whether it even existed, is unknown.[4] Before June or after October 1859: A system considered to be a tropical cyclone made landfall between Cape Mendocino and San Francisco Bay.[5] August 11–12, 1873: Rain from a tropical storm fell on San Diego. The rain on August 12 set a record for wettest August day.[6] July 20–21, 1902: The remnants of a hurricane brought rain to southern California.[7] August 18–19, 1906: A tropical cyclone moved northward from the Gulf of California, and brought rain to southern California.[7] September 15, 1910: The remnants of a hurricane brought rain to Santa Barbara County.[7] August 26, 1915: The remnants of a tropical cyclone brought around an inch of rain to Riverside.[7] September 11–12, 1918: The remnants of a tropical cyclone produced six inches (150 mm) of rain to the mountains of southern California.[7] August 20–21, 1921: A tropical cyclone moved north from Baja California and into Arizona, producing rain in both southern California and Arizona.[7] September 30, 1921: The remnants of a tropical cyclone moved northward from Baja California, and brought rain to Arizona and parts of California.[7] September 18, 1929: A tropical cyclone in the Pacific Ocean dropped rain over southern California.[7] 1930s[edit] September 28–October 1, 1932: The remnants of a hurricane brought four days of rain. Flash floods killed 15 people.[7] August 25, 1935: A tropical cyclone moved northward from the south, and brought rain to southern California and parts of Arizona.[7] August 9, 1936: A hurricane's remnants moved north and brought heavy rains to the Los Angeles area.[7] September 4–7, 1939: The remnants of a hurricane brought over a year's worth of rain to parts of southern California.[7] September 11–12, 1939: The remnants of a hurricane from the Gulf of California brought rain to parts of California.[7] September 19–21, 1939: The remnants of a tropical cyclone brought rain to California.[7] September 25, 1939: The 1939 California tropical storm made landfall near Long Beach.[7] Winds were near 80 km/h (50 mph) and rain was near 12 inches (300 mm). At sea, 48 people were killed. On land, 45 were killed in flooding, although these deaths may be partially attributable to a nasty thunderstorm immediately preceding the tropical storm.[3] This is the only known landfall in California by a tropical cyclone at tropical storm strength, during the twentieth century.[7] 1940s[edit] September 1941: Moisture from a hurricane brought rain to California.[7] September 9–10, 1945: The remnants of a tropical cyclone moved northward and brought rain to southern California.[7] September 30–October 1, 1946: The remnants of a tropical storm brought several inches of rain to California.[7] 1950s[edit] August 27–29, 1951: The remnants of a tropical cyclone brought enough rain to wash out some roads in southern California.[7] September 19–21, 1952: The remnants of a hurricane brought rain to mountains in southern California.[7] July 17–19, 1954: The remnants of a hurricane moved into Arizona, bringing rain to the state and parts of California.[7] October 1–6, 1958: The remnants of a hurricane moved into Arizona, causing heavy rain in that state and in parts of California.[7] September 11, 1959: The remnants of a hurricane generated some rain over California.[7] 1960s[edit] September 9–10, 1960: The remnants of Hurricane Estelle generated rain over California.[7] September 17–19, 1963: Tropical Storm Jennifer-Katherine[8] dissipated over northern Baja California, and dropped several inches of rain over California.[7] September 4–5, 1965: Hurricane Emily's remnants brought rainfall to California.[7] 1970s[edit] Hurricane Heather on October 5, 1977 September 30–October 1, 1971: Atlantic Hurricane Irene crossed Central America and became Hurricane Olivia. Olivia eventually re-curved and made landfall in Baja California, with the remnants bringing rain to California.[7] September 3, 1972: Tropical Depression Hyacinth made landfall in California[9] and produced rain in the area of Los Angeles.[7] October 6, 1972: Hurricane Joanne made landfall in Mexico and managed to bring gale-force winds and rain to Arizona, as well as California.[7] September 9–12, 1976: Hurricane Kathleen crossed the Baja California peninsula moved into California as a tropical storm. Yuma, Arizona reported sustained winds of 91 km/h (57 mph).[7] Rains from Kathleen caused catastrophic damage to Ocotillo, California and killed three[7] to six people.[10] August 18–19, 1977: Hurricane Doreen denegerated into a remnant low off the coast of California.[7] The remnants moved inland and caused flooding and crop damage as 7.01 inches (178 mm) of rain fell on Yuma Valley, Arizona.[11] October 6–7, 1977: Hurricane Heather's remnants moved into Arizona, bringing 8.30 inches (211 mm) of rain to Nogales, Arizona and up to 14 inches (360 mm) of rainfall to the adjacent mountains. The remnants also brought significant rainfall to southern California. This led to significant flooding in both states.[12] September 5–6, 1978: Tropical Depression Norman made landfall in California.[13] Its remnants produced several inches of rain.[7] 1980s[edit] June 29–30, 1980: Hurricane Celia's remnants produced a minor amount of rain over California.[7] September 17–18, 1982: Remnants from Hurricane Norman generated rain over Arizona and southern California.[7] September 24–26, 1982: The remnants of Hurricane Olivia produced over 7 inches (177 mm) of rain in California.[7] September 20–21, 1983: The remnants of Hurricane Manuel produced rain in California.[7] October 7, 1983: The very weak remnants of Hurricane Priscilla caused showers in Southern California.[7] September 10–11, 1984: Hurricane Marie's weak remnants generated showers over Southern California.[7] September 22–23, 1987: The remnants of Hurricane Norma generated thunderstorms over Southern California, which caused some flooding.[14] October 5–12, 1987: Weather associated with Hurricane Ramon caused moderate to heavy rain in southern California. The highest amount noted was 2.14 inches (54 mm) at Camp Pendleton.[14] September 1989: Hurricane Octave's remnants brought rain to California, doing minimal damage.[15] 1990s[edit] Hurricane Linda on September 12, 1997 June 1990: The remnants of Hurricane Boris briefly caused heavy rainfall in Southern California. This was one of the reasons why it was the wettest June in San Diego, since record-keeping began in 1850.[16] Despite this, less than an inch (25 mm) of rain fell in most locations.[17] July 1992: The remnants of Hurricane Darby caused cloudiness in California. These clouds were also enough to delay the landing of the Space Shuttle Columbia for a day, and cause it to land in Florida instead of California.[18] August 1992: Hurricane Lester's remnants caused rain in extreme Southern California.[19] August 5, 1997: Surf from Hurricane Guillermo caused rip currents near Corona Del Mar, and a place just north of Huntington Beach, injuring three people and killing one.[20] August 19–20, 1997: Tropical Storm Ignacio's remnants produced gusty winds over the outer waters of California, and passed directly over the San Francisco Bay Area, before moving across the interior of the Pacific Northwest. Sporadic moderate to heavy rainfall was recorded in both California and the states of the Pacific Northwest.[21] September 13–14, 1997: Hurricane Linda was at one point forecast to make landfall in Southern California.[22] Instead, it moved out to sea, although large waves caused by Linda did wash five people off a jetty in Newport Beach.[22] Also, Linda's outer rainbands generated thunderstorms over southern California, causing flash floods in some regions. September 25–26, 1997: After making landfall in Baja California, Hurricane Nora maintained tropical storm status into California and Arizona. Moderate to heavy rains fell across southeast California and Arizona, with a new 24-hour maximum for Arizona (305 mm (12 inches) falling in the Mogollon Rim). Damage totaled several hundred million, including $40 million (1997 USD) to lemon trees. There were a few indirect deaths caused by the hurricane.[23] 2000s[edit] September 2000: The remnants of Hurricane Lane triggered thunderstorms across California.[24] September 2001: Remnant moisture from Hurricane Flossie caused thunderstorms, lightning, and floods in Southern California. Lightning struck four people, killing two of them.[25] September 30, 2001: Thunderstorms from the remnants of Hurricane Juliette caused minor damage to California[26] and brought rain of less than an inch (25 mm) to the area.[11] August 2003: Remnants of Hurricane Ignacio produced powerful thunderstorms in southern California. September 2003: Remnants of Hurricane Marty dropped large amounts of rainfall, in the southwestern United States, especially in Southern California and southwestern Arizona. July 2006: Remnants of Tropical Storm Emilia caused unsettled weather across the southwestern United States. Rain from the remnants helped to extinguish the Horse Fire in southern California.[27] September 2006: Remnants of Hurricane John triggered flash flood watches.[28] August 26–27, 2007: Remnants of Hurricane Dean made landfall in Santa Barbara area, triggering heavy rains and minor flooding throughout the southern California Area. Early on August 27, the storm eventually reached Las Vegas, Nevada, and caused flash flooding there as well, before dissipating there later in the day. August 25, 2008: Remnants of Tropical Storm Julio reached the Apple Valley, California, and Las Vegas, Nevada. August 27–29, 2009: Remnants of Tropical Storm Ignacio triggered heavy rains across northern and central California. September 4, 2009: Remnants of Hurricane Jimena caused severe thunderstorms to break out in eastern San Diego County, California, causing flash floods, and a short blackout that lasted for only a few hours. October 11–15, 2009: The remnants of Typhoon Melor affected California and broke several rainfall records. The storm system also opened up a Pineapple Express, an atmospheric river originating near Hawaii. 2010s[edit] Hurricane Odile on September 14, 2014 July 18–20, 2012: Associated moisture and clouds from the remnants of Hurricane Fabio generated scattered showers and isolated thunderstorms across the Los Angeles Basin.[29] September 5–7, 2012: Moisture from the remnants of Tropical Storm John brought scattered showers and thunderstorms to California.[30] August 25–26, 2013: Moisture from the remnants of Tropical Storm Ivo caused some thunderstorms and flooding in southern California.[31] September 3, 2013: Moisture from the remnants of Hurricane Kiko fueled the monsoon across the Southwestern United States, producing scattered showers and thunderstorms across the region.[32] August 26–29, 2014: Large swells from Hurricane Marie caused high waves and rip currents.[33] September 8, 2014: The remnants of Hurricane Norbert caused thunderstorms and flooding in Southern California.[34] September 16–17, 2014: Hurricane Odile's outer rainbands brought thunderstorms to parts of Southern California, as a tropical storm. The remnants of Hurricane Odile also caused damage across central and eastern San Diego County on September 16, 2014, generating high winds and several uncharacteristically powerful thunderstorms in the region. Wind gusts over 20 knots reportedly uprooting trees, felled branches, cut power lines, crushed several cars, and flipped at least one airplane at Montgomery Field Airport.[35][36]Dry lightning generated by a line of severe thunderstorms in one of the rainbands set fire to a palm tree in San Diego[37] and storm force wind gusts within those severe thunderstorms left 6000 customers without power.[38] October 6–7, 2014: Hurricane Simon's outer rainbands bring scattered thunderstorms and flash floods to parts of Southern California as a tropical storm, and later as a tropical depression, with a brief rain shower in San Diego County on October 7. June 9–10, 2015: A low pressure system containing the remnants of Hurricane Blanca brought showers to Southern California on June 9.[39] Some flooding was reported in Santa Barbara County. On June 10, the low pressure system moved north to the San Francisco Bay Area and brought scattered showers there as well. Many rainfall records were broken.[40] July 18–20, 2015: The remnants of Hurricane Dolores brought scattered showers and thunderstorms throughout Southern California, breaking many rainfall records and causing flooding.[41][42] One such flash flood caused a bridge to collapse which shut down Interstate 10 between Indio and Blythe, effectively shutting off the primary Phoenix-to-Los-Angeles route.[43] The good news was that the rain helped firefighters contain the North Fire within 3 days. August 6, 2015: Hurricane Guillermo interacted with a longwave trough in the subtropical jet to its northeast to spawn a rare dry-season atmospheric river,[44] which went on to send moisture toward the San Francisco Bay Area, bringing a rare lightning storm to that area that night. Since the storm was dry and hardly brought any rain, the NWS issued a Red Flag Warning for that area.[45] September 8–15, 2015: The remnants of Hurricane Linda brought localized downpours from Santa Barbara to San Diego, California.[46] On September 15, Los Angeles received 2.39 inches of rain, making it one of the wettest September days since records dating back to 1877,[47] second only to 1939. July 11–12, 2017: Dangerous rip currents from Hurricane Eugene combined with swells of 4 to 8 ft (1.2 to 2.4 m) across Southern California.[48] September 3–4, 2017: Moisture from Tropical Storm Lidia's remnant low brought flash flooding and thunderstorms to Southern California. Lidia's remnants also triggered a microburst event in Santa Barbara.[49] July 7–8, 2018: As a tropical storm, Hurricane Fabio brought rip currents to the coastline of California, and showers and humid conditions to Northern California.[50] August 9–11, 2018: Hurricane John brought high surf to the coast of Southern California.[51] October 1, 2018: Hurricane Rosa brought scattered thunderstorms to parts of Southern California as a tropical storm, triggering flash flood watches in San Diego County.[52] October 12, 2018: The remnants of Hurricane Sergio spawned numerous thunderstorms in Southern California, as well as triggering a high surf advisory along the coast. One thunderstorm made by the remnants of Sergio caused a power outage in Montebello that lasted from 10:00 P.M. to 1:00 A.M. PT (Pacific Time).

So how come it isn't raining in California? Because climate change is making it drier. Define schizophrenia?

Well there you go again, yelling without any substance. The fact is that you have no idea what you even want to try to do as all you want to do is argue pointless arguments Thank you for confirming my point.

Great, instead of arguing with other people that do not agree with you, which is fruitless, why don't you begin fixing the problem as you see it. Talk is after all cheap, so are you prepared to never drive an automobile again, or move to a warm climate so you never have to heat a home, and stop eating food delivered by diesel trucks. You are all talk and have no intent to do anything but scream

Do you enjoy watching your frogs in an aquarium? Some dogs actually fit what you said, my neighbor across the street has a pit bull, seems nice enough but it will never be unleashed not even once in it's life. My dogs get to run free and chase deer as wolves once did, it's beautiful really https://imgur.com/a/HvNT7Oy

I mentioned those things, and never said that you did. So your fictitious argument is with yourself, not me. Do you argue with yourself often? Millions of gallons of methane, sulfur dioxide and ammonia pour out of ocean thermal vents every day, for 5 billion years. And this is normal, are you going to plug the vents because you say it's dangerous? Co2 is not dangerous without it all plants would die, then we follow

Just because one can, does not mean one should

Dump your glass of water and imagine that this means something Have fun too Millions of gallons of methane, sulfur dioxide and ammonia pour out of ocean thermal vents every day, for 5 billion years. And this is normal, are you going to plug the vents because you say it's dangerous? Co2 is not dangerous without it all plants would die, then we follow

Al gore shut up and vanished when the temps were found to not be rising even as co2 levels are rising wildly. Co2 is natural you are spewing it now Co2 is absorbed by plants, fifth graders know this

Bio luminescent frogs are not endangered unless you consider foolish peoples unethical experiments deserving of endangered species protection. I have hunting dogs that are never leashed and I let run free in national forest as often as I can. They also kill rabbits in my yard. They have never once been in an aquarium

Millions of gallons of methane, ammonia and sulfur compounds pour into the oceans every day. These far from being waste or toxic actually provide vital nutrients to the oceans We need to find more ways to add co2 to the environment. To green deserts Sorry charon, co2 is absorbed from the air by plants. How do you not know this? http://theconversation.com/plants-absorb-more-co2-than-we-thought-but-32945

Lol. Symbiotic relationships are not my conclusion. In nature waste is recycled, and it is a vital source of nutrients. How do you not know this?

Bio luminescent frogs are not endangered. They are sad toys for sadder people

Again you seem to be unaware that we all live in symbiotic relationships. Mammal fecal waste is nitrogen for the tomatoes that you might eat. How do you not know this?