Randall Canham

Mordred Hi I beleive I have got off on the wrong foot right from when I first posted my idea about what time does. I didn't realize how exacting I have to be even with the words I use to explain what I am trying to say. This is totally my fault, not anybody else's, so all I can do is apologize to all involved. I have now decided to put the single letter v in front of any word that I think could be misinterpreted by each or all of the people who have kindly replied to me on this subject as this is the best I can do. As we are all human, I know I will still get it wrong, hopefully less often now. I certainly don't try to offend anyone, but obiously this must be the case. I have already said that my math ability is only very basic and I am not any type of v scientist at all. But I do belive we should look at v something from all perspectives. Aristotle described the universe from his own perspective at that point in time which actually makes so much sense . Then came along Copernicus who looked at the same universe, just from a different perspective and came up with the v correct answer which was v opposite to that of Arostitle - now isn't that just amazing . So what I am asking is that you try and do a similar thing. I realize that I cannot do as Copernicus did and can only use basic math that I understand to prove to you that it is only because of a simple misunderstanding in perspective that has produced this anomaly. Between what I am suggesting which v novel and Einstein v great abilities. As I can not prove anything about my v theory at all, zip, and you can rightly prove Einstein's time dilation v theories I must change tack as this is not how I came to my conclusion on how I have discovered how time works. This is just my conclusion after seeing what I believe is an error used in the perspective to justify Einstein' s brilliant thought experiment with a light clock. I understand that he uses a simple v chart to show how time dilation due to velocity works. Now it's time to say that my v idea about time will at least bring on a good laugh at your next v bbq but at least l did have a novel v idea. Just so you know that I at least understand the light clock and how it works, I will explain to you my understanding of the actual light clock and how it works so we are on the same page. First, you have a light v emitter which emits one photon of light. This photon then travels at light speed to a mirror approx 150000 Km away, then is reflected by the mirror back to some sort of light v counter next to the emitter. It has now travelled a total distance of 300000Km with a duartion of exactly one second. Remember my math ability, that is why I have chosen this rounded up number so I don't confuse myslf later.as it will not change the perspective as to what is happening on the light v chart later. This perfect light clock has no moving mechanical parts in it to v distort its absolute time keeping ability. This clock is then positioned in v interstellar space away from all v interference and it has a tubular force field containing both the emitter and the mirror which has no effect on the photon's movement or v speed. It just stops any foreign matter or anything else from affecting the clock. It also detects any v deviation of the photon from its true path when the light is in v motion from the emitter to the v receiver's second counter. Hopefully, this will be enough to have the light clock work consistently at some relative speed at a consistent velocity in space. When the clock is relatively stationary, I cannot define what that actually means in interstellar space, as how do you know what it is relatively stationary to. Maybe someone knows, but it will still not change the perspective that I am talking about. It then counts off perfect seconds. I think that these second v increments are basically relative to our original earth second. The light clock is then moved at a constant velocity of x Km per second to the right in a straight line while keeping the directional axis of the photon's movement perfectly parallel at all times. Luckily this is only a thought experiment as it woud be so incredibley difficult to do. Now to the exciting bit. If you now just draw this v event, as seen from an observer, in a 2 dimensional way on a piece of paper or glass, you end up with two right angled triangles with the same side of both triangles on the base line that the emitter v traces out, with another side of both triangles forming one perpendicular line to the emitter's path of v motion. The hypotenuse sides both then v trace out an inverted vee shape to the emitter's path. Even if I have made some sort of mistake in this light v chart you can see it in your mind. I am going to use two basic right angle triangles to do this job with a ratio of 3 is to 4 is to 5 to achieve this. The emitter path's line will have two sides of 3 on it, then at the mid point, both of the sides containing 4 are placed perpendicular to the emitter's path and then the two hypotenuse sides of 5 complete the v picture. I'm sure you can easily see that in your mind now. The emitter is then set off at a constant velocity on the emitter's straight path line of 2 ×3=6 part line on the base line of the larger triangle side. When the photon v hits the mirror, it has then travelled approximately 150000 Km in half a second from the emitter. This time and distance travelled by the photon, can now be easily divided into 4 equal parts . This can then be repeated for any number of times with each passing second. The photon starting on the left then, when the emitter emits the photon on its path, it traces out a straight line along the side of the triangle containing 5 parts until it hits the mirror and then returns down the other side of the triangle containing the other 5 equal parts until it is v absorbed by the v counter and then one second has passed. So I have now hopefully shown how time dilation works as the photon has moved 8 of the equal parts on it's axis line but it has also moved 10 equal parts on the hypotenuse sides in that one second of duration. So this is why time dilates as 8 can never equal 10. Wow, that took me a long time just to only prove your theory for you and the math needed to prove it. I must be mad to even try and suggest how my theory about time could possibly be correct. If only it was as simple as that so now you have your own chance to finally decide if my idea still stands up to scrutiny. I have aways said that Aristotle looked at the universe and deduced that the universe revolved around the earth, then approx 2000 years later, Capernious looked at the same universe and came to the correct answer. So how can two people look at the same picture and have totally opposite conclusions? Easy, man does it all the time. Have you ever had an argument about what you tkink you saw? I have. So obviously I am saying that I believe you are looking at that same light that I am looking at. I do see something obviously different to you, as I am looking at it from a different perspective to you. Have you ever seen a magician do a slight of hand trick right in front of you and thought how did they do that? I have. I will now tell you that this is what everybody has been doing to themselves ever since this chart was made. I will show you how you have been tricking yourself on this Saturday and I hope you can join in as I will step you through how you have been tricking yourself and all you will need is a pencil, a couple of blank sheets of paper and a ruler. l would like anybody who doesn't agree with something in my long winded explanation to put forth all changes that you require of me in my explanation. I can revise it for you, but remember I have kept it simple for my own benefit as I am no genius. I looked at how the light clock worked and then a chart like I just described and couldn't see how they could ever show the same thing happening. When I twigged to what was actually happening I nearly fell off my chair. Don't worry, I have said to myself, what I am seeing here can't possibly be right hundreds of times as how could all these people be making this simple mistake and I am the only one seeing it? I must be going crazy, so Saturday night should be good for a laugh or you will fall off your chair too, just like I did. Obviously, if I get lots of changes to my simple explanation, I will have to delay what I want to share with you. Please keep changes to v items that must be changed only, thanks. I will now give you a few clues to think about 1 The photon always stays in the force field I made up. 2 You have drawn a 3 dimensional picture of the movement of the light clock in 2d on the paper chart. 3 What is really relative to what on the chart? 4 What is realy moving in the chart? I think that is as many clues that I can give you to see what I am seeing. Most people like to do puzzles, but in this case you are looking for something right in font of your eyes. Best of luck, I hope you work it out by yourself so if you do, please keep the answer to youself and not post it. Give everyone a chance to work it out themselves. Best of luck as I won't answer any questions about this puzzle I will just step you all through the answer on saturday night so you will all be drawing your own individual charts as I will give no measurements at all. You can just use your own so you know I can't be pulling a magic trick on you I just can't help myself. Last hint, put that chart on a pane of glass, maybe a window. Go around to the other side, maybe you should use a glass door so you don't fall out the window . Now, use tape and put the tape over all your lines. Take the paper off the other side. Best to do this at eye level. Go inside and look at what is now in your frame of reference. What can you see outside? Then move yourself to the right, left, up, down, whatever. Is the picture that you now see the same as before? Of course not, so what is the actual relatity and where is it? .If you figure this riddle out, you will have the answer. Till Saturday night with no changes.

Strange Hi I wish to be absolutely correct about my explanation about a spring pendulum clock that I placed on the moon, in its lower gravitational field. I did not try to infer or imply that it had anything to do with time dilation. It shows the totally opposite results to an atomic clock which you say proves time dilation. I am just a simpleton in the world of the math giants of the world, an eg being Einstein. I can now only look at their footprints, left in time and just say wow! So I need your help to understand what your math is saying, Is it that my spring pendulum clock on the moon shows a faster rate of movement of its hands, or a slower rate of movement, to the hands of the same clock on earth. Note I was watching the video picture of the moon clock and the earth clock at the same time. So is it correct, as I said, that the hands on the moon clock, do actually go slower, as I explained. I have now used the word 'hands', as that was what I was referring to, not time itself. A clock is only a mechanical device that measures times duation. Sorry if I misled you by my lack of absolute correct terminology. Thanks I would appreciate your reply as it is so easy to unintentionally confuse others .

Swansnot Hi. It will be exactly the same. All the forces acting on the clock or any object in that exact position will be affected exactly the same .. As you can not create or destroy energy. So any of those forces that are in play in that exact position in space.are the only ones that will be encounted. Thanks

Strange Hi The big bang or what ever you want to describe it by , did happen, at some point in the past and most people agree about this, as we do exist. They seem to think it was approx 13.8 billion earth years ago. You seem to be using some unknown form of time to classify that duration from then to now, that is not apparently used my many people. So please enlighten me, of what the period of duration has actually been.and how it is then decribed, if my simple description is not to your liking. Thank you.

Mordred Hi thanks for your great effort, by at least trying to do what I have asked of everyone, to keep the debate to my simple theory, on how time works in the universe. I dont believe my use of a clock or time, desribes any thing to do with what it is actually measuring, an objects relative motion in space. Like in your example of a thermometer. I am not saying, that you can not use muons as how you described, as I have no idea how muons work or what they do in the universe. So why cant you use them as you seggested. I am certainly not saying or even suggesting, that you cant, use them or any orther type of accurate form of time keeping. I liked your idea about testing my theory against Einstein's, by someone with a good ability in math. As you could write on the back of postage stamp with a jack hammer what I know about math. I am sorry about this lack of ability as I know it is something that everybody wanted from me, I am just not that capable sorry. But I think you could put a quartz cyrstal clock in a centrifuge, crank it up to as many G' s as possible, while keeping a similar clock next to the machine. Then run the machine for as long as possible, to see if the math and the observed time change occurs or is there no change observable change between the clocks. Note I cant do this either, as I do not have any access to a centrifuge so sorry again. But it would be a lot easier and cheaper to do, than sending atomic clocks by plane around the earth.

Endy0816 You have still not refuted my claim that time is just a basic measuring tool that even you must admit to using . To even just to establish a velocity. Or have you never used this method to do so. Obviously there may be other ways but that is not my point. Thanks

Endy 0816 You stated that (science does not have to base things on evidence ) so i should not have to base my theory on any evidence at all in your opinion. But l believe , I must do so, as without any evidence to back any theory not just mine, everything you say is then meaningless. I have no idea about muons but have heard of them. My theory is not about muons it is about time and how it works or what it does as I have suggested. You also stated that (there's not some set amount of time or space in the first place.) I never even suggest this, but I believe what you are saying to be true. But the universe did I believe start with a finite anount of matter an energy remember engery can now not be created or destroyed. I didnt just make that statement up someone who is a lot smartet than me did. Maybe you know who the author is and can let me know. We can all keep on using the same old theory to solve a problem because it gives the same answer as the new theory does in relation to gravity but you then miss the new opportunities provided by the new theory. It seems to me like sticking your head in the sand. Arn't we really lucky copernicus didn't just do that otherwise we would still be at the center of the universe. I can now understand his position when trying to explain a new idea. Thanks for your reply, maybe think about my time theory as motion is everywhere, in the universe and we all measure that relative motion with duration, by simply using a clock which has a freqency of a one second duration, or does man uses some other method that I dont know about to do this?

Eise I appreciate your reply so I will address your first question only at this point in time to the best of my ability. Your question, does a pendulum clock at a distance from earth run faster or slower than the same pendulum clock on earth. I have now chosen the moon as we all see and understand it, as my point of reference and this is the placement position of one of the clocks. I have chosen a position on earth where the gravitational force is equal to 1 G so please decide where that actual point is that suits any of your theories on how you believe it should be done exactly. If I don't say it like this there will be others explaining to me that I have automatically failed as I didn't get the absolute position correct, thereby just missing the whole point of my explanation to you. The type of pendulum clock that I am using in both positions is a simple wind up spring type so all the relevant physics involved in this process can be easily understood. Obviously exactly the same type of clock from the same factory and have been tested side by side for their ability to keep consistent time with each other. It has been proven that the gravity is approximately 1/6 th of what is here on earth if that amount of difference is wrong use whatever fraction you want but you must keep it real as we have seen how much more an astronaut can jump on the moon even with all his gear on. You will now have to use a bit of imagination when I say that one of those pendulum clocks was put on the moon's surface instanainally in a fully wound up state. I know that this is impossible but now you can not bring any other irrelevant ideas in to explain away that clocks workings. The image of the clock on the moon is captured by video camera and the image is then relayed directly to you here on earth wherever you have put your earth clock so you can easily see if any irregularities in their counting abilities arise. This is a thought experiment of mine. Remember Einstein also used thought experiments IE . Light clock. It is a proven fact of physics ,that the clock on the moon, will run slower than the same clock that you are in front of on earth and you would see that happen before you eyes. So Einstein and I must be totally wrong , as we both totally agree that a clock in orbit aronnd the earth goes faster but I only disagree with his theory as to why this happens,as you do with my theory explaining time, as it only measures an objects relative motion by duration,using a clock. As by numerous experiments and visual conformation, clocks do tick at a faster rate in orbit to what the same clock does on earth. Therefore they need to vary that rate of ticking / frequency whatever in the orbiting clock so the G P S system works in our real world. So why does a pendulum do the reverse. Once you start the pendulum clock, the wound up spring keeps the pendulum in (motion ), this motion is less in a higher gravitational field, in other words its arc of motion is reduced thereby making the pendulum clock tick faster under the energy contained in the spring which keeps its pendulum in motion. Or it would work by perpetual motion. I believe that I have now answered your first question and also your second question as how does a pendulum clock works in relation to Einsten theory. Maybe their are other types of clocks that do a similar things to a pendulum clock but that not the point here. I hope that clears it up for you . I will await your reply to my long explanation , and any problems you might have with it. Thanks for your interest.

Thanks for all the effort in your replies. But nobody has yet proved my theory of space time incorrect. My revolutionary theory goes to the heart of time and what it does and exactly what it actually measures in the universe. We seem to be side-tracked at the moment about all other things except what time does in our universe which is what I am trying to get across, without to much success at the moment. I will now restate my theory on how time works in the universe. Time only measures the duration of any matter or energy or conbination of matter and energy that is relatively stationary or relatively moving with respect to another object in space, using an instrument called a clock. This clock, in turn, measures a duration with a standard earth second. So that is what I am proposing in my theory - nothing else is implied or inferred at the moment. I now need to prove to you how my revolutionary theory works. I will now list a series of basic proofs which must be true/false or the best concensus theory at this point in time. If you disagree with any of my points, please note it in your reply with a reason as to why that statement is incorrect. Not that you just don't agree, prove it, as you also have to prove your statements. I will now prove how time works in my universe from the big bang until now and into the future. 1 The universe started from the big bang - consensus theory. 2 The universe is made up of matter and energy - consensus theory 3 Fom the time of the big bang, all matter and energy has been in motion in space - True 4 All objects in the universe are relatively stationary or are moving relative to each other - True 5 No object in the universe is absolutely stationary, True 6 So how does man measure the relative motion that has passed from the big bang until now? He uses the motion of the earth to establish the length of the duration of one orbit of the sun, which then establishes frequency of a year in earth's orbit around the sun, to end up with a frequency of approx 13.8 billion years old. - True 7 To decide who wins a 100 meter race you see who crosses the fixed finish line first in the shortest duration. In other words, the person with the fastest motion over that set distance wins - True 8 To decide how long the Sydney Harbour bridge has been relatively stationary, you just need to establish when it was opened until now, by establishing the exact duration that it has been relatively stationary for - True 9 If all of your answers are the same as mine, then my theory holds up. 10 If you now have some theory about how time works in the universe, I would love to read it. I also expect proof as to how time works in your universe . Up until now, noboby has established the definitive proof of what time is or does in the universe - True Please don't just recite the theory of time dilation as I understand how it supposedly works or give math formula to explain the theory about how time really works. I understand that if your explanation about how time works is correct, then time dilation is a fact. I now need someone to explain time to me without referring to any type of time dilation. I would like an answer to these following questions. When you were going through the motion of typing a reply to me yesterday, explain where that past time you went through has gone to ? Saying it is now in the past is not an answer. Where has your universe's time gone? You need to explain this and right back to the beginning of time in your universe. Ques. Do you live in just a now time in your universe? Please explain how that works. Ques. Why can't you just touch your future time, when it is only 1 nano second in front of you right now? Please explain how this time evasion of your theory will always elude you forever and forever as long as your universe lasts. Ques. Where does your universe's time go when it is not being dilated? My universe does not have any of your unanswerable questions in relation to time as time in my theory is just a man made concept which uses an instrument called a clock to measure relative motion. True Please, if you still think your notion of how time works in your universe is still correct, please prove your theory for all, by simlpy giving answers to my previous questions about how you think your time works. There can only be one correct theory about how time actually works. So we all could still be wrong and the answer is still out there. Would appreciate any comments with respect to what I have said above.

I will atempt to basically explain how a quartz clock works Inside a quartz clock the battery sends the electricity to a quartz cystal through an electric circuit. The quartz cystal oscillates (vibrates back and forth, in other words it works on motion ) as is well known at a precise frequency of 32,718 times per one duration of an earth second at 1 G on earth's surface. The clock just counts those 32,718 frequencies of motion of the quartz cyrstal to obtain a one second earth duration at 1 G. Clocks just count accurately but must be at the same relative gravitational force to show the same count. An atomic also just counts as do all clocks. As the frequency of motion is far greater over 9 billion per earth second, it will still run in unison with a quartz clock at the same relative gravitational force. As the motion is less in an atomic clock than a quartz clock, its motion is affected less proportionally.

I am not tring to debate the math that has been used as if you use any math on an incorrect assumption you will always get an incorrect outcome. Aristotle made an incorect assumation about earth being the center of the universe which Copernicus showed to be an incorrect perspective of our actual reality approx 2000 years later. So what I am saying is time is not a part of the universe as Einstein theroizes, it is just a man made concept to explain relative motion in space whether an object that we can see is relatively stationary or relatively moving in space. Motion does exist and can be seen everywhere - you don't need any math to make it work, it is just nature at work. None of our human senses detect time as our major sensory organ - the eyes detect relative motion, whether stationary or moving. If time was such an important property of the universe, I believe evolution would have equipped us with a sense to detect it but this is not the case. Time just measures the duration of motion whether stationary or moving I can easily predict the relatively stationary motion of any non-biological object, eg the great pyrmads of Egypt, which have been relatively stationary on earth for approx 2500 years at least . I don't need a 4th dimension of time to find them in the future, just their gps position on earth or their latitude and longitude and height if I want to be at its apex. I could also meet my friend there in the future with no mention of a clock or time. All I have to do is say how many full rotations, ie motion of the earth spinning on its axis, there are and what fraction of a rotation of the earth is needed to meet on that day in the future. It would be easier to use a man made clock as this is what it easily does by measuring the duration of the earth's relative motion in space while we are stationary observers on the earth's surface. We devised this concept of time TO GIVE US UNDERSTANDING to the pepetuial moton observed by man on earth. Time is what I am debating, not any type of math, as time is just a man made concept as was earth when we thought it was the center of the universe.

The gps system absolutely does work and I am not debating this fact. I am debating the reason as to why you have to adjust the clocks in orbit around earth as they do now. It is not gravitional time dilation but the physical effect gravity's lower field of force has on those orbiting clock's counting ability. This is because of the increase in the frequency of motion that is caused by the smaller gravitational field that orbiting clock is placed in, when compared to the identical clock on earth with a different gravitational force acting on it. Remember, energy cannot be created or destroyed. in other words, the clock in orbit runs faster, not because of gravitional time dilation, but because of a lower gravitional field exerted on the motion used in the clock. Therefore, the freqency of the clock's ticks on the orbiting satellite increase; the clock just counts faster in relation to its ticking count but fails to count at the same frequency as the identical clock on earth. The identical clock on earth is definitely in a higher gravitional field, so the clocks on earth count slower because they are in a higher gravitional field and therefore go slower. Remember, a clock just counts the number of ticks created by motion.The univerise does work this way as it has always done as it works on physics, not dilation of time.

In physics we have consensus theories or proven rules of physics that are the same rules no matter where you are in the universe. Sometimes a consensus theory looks perfectly correct as Aristotle postulated but then Copernicus proved that the opposite is true. I will now prove this in relation to time in space as there is no 4th dimension. The big bang is a consensus theory opposed by creation of the universe by a god i will leave that decision totally to you and your beliefs I will endeavor to simply explain from the big bang theory. The universe is basically made of matter and energy. Since then all that material has been in perpetual motion in our universe of space. If I want to find the length width or height of an object or the distance between objects I just use a man made ruler to do this when the object/s are relatively stationary. If I want to measure the different forms of energy and their levels we just use the correct man made instrument. If I want to measure the duration of an object's motion I use a man made clock, whether the object is relatively stationary or relatively moving in space. A man made clock measures this duration with constantly accurate ticks . If I change the motion I will then change the rate of ticks counted by the clock no matter what type of clock you used. I will now use the pendulum clock to explain further. A pendulum clock's motion is the movement of a weight on a string - if you vary the length of the string you vary the number of ticks that clock counts thereby increasing or decreasing its ability to accurately time an exact earth second due to the consistent motion of the earth's rotation in space. All man made clocks whether quartz or atomic use the same principle - they count the number of consistent movements of some motion. We all know that gravity restricts the motion of all objects in the universe and that is what is making any man made clock to tick faster in orbit above earth as time is not a thing of the universe, it is just a concept. Therefore gravitional time dilation as Einsten predicted does not exist anywhere in the universe so you can never go forward or back in time as time is just a concept of man's making. I can also prove that time dilation due to velocity as predicted by Einstein is also wrong by using his own light clock that he designed to prove his theory. But I will leave that to another time as you have enough to consider at the moment. I would appreciate any feedback. Randall.