Robert Wilson

I agree, that's why I gave the following link in one of my previous posts here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BRDCxNEuyg itsNiKu, I don't have time right now to start this conversation again, just two points: 1. I don't think that the aircraft in the videos that I showed here are much closer than the 'UFO' object (if you assume that it's a real external target) https://i.ibb.co/r3m2SxF/Lock-On-Target.jpg 2. Ignore the digital display, look only on the real view and the horizon, this is what I expect to see if the object was a real (external) target: https://i.ibb.co/mTKVwqh/Real-Target-In-View.gif

I want you to see how "stable" a lock looks like on a real external target: 1. Here, on minute 0:40, the sound that you hear means that the missile is locked on the target: 2. Here at 1:05 3. Here at 4:37 4. Here at 0:58 5. Here at 2:02 Can you see the different between this and the lock in the gimbal video? An object on the pod's window explain perfectly why it is so stable.

Exactly.

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Here is a short video animation that demonstrate (in my opinion) what we see in the Gimbal video. The airplane is taking off and there are some dirt spots on it's front window, I marked one of them with a yellow label. See how when the airplane changes it's Tilt while taking off, the horizon is going down but the spot stays exactly in the same place: https://i.ibb.co/71Nngjv/Airplane-Take-Off.gif This is the source video that I used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIeErwntFUU

Here are two animations that Illustrate what we should see when the object is External, and when the object is Internal: External: https://i.ibb.co/tpH1JQW/External-Object.gif Internal: https://i.ibb.co/L943PJY/Internal-Object.gif As you can see, the second animation (Internal Object) fits exactly what we see in the video: Example 1: https://i.ibb.co/MChpLGb/Animation1.gif Example 2: https://i.ibb.co/CPwhkNJ/Animation2.gif

There are few short moments in the video where it does looks like the object moves with correlation to the view, for example here in minute 0:30 till 0:31: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMOv6baIaso But it happens just when there is a sudden fast movement. I think that the explanation for that may be that the camera inside the pod is sitting on some kind of a shock absorber to prevent it from breaking when there is a sudden movement, for example during air turbulence. I guess that the camera (which is quite heavy) is not connected stiffly to the pod, it has some loose that allows it to move a little. So if there is a sudden vibration of the pod to the right, the camera inside will move to the left, so it will looks like the view and the object on the pod's window are moving in the opposite direction - to the right. But after a moment or two the camera returns to it's previous position. During most of the video the object behaves like it sits on the pod's window, it's movements are NOT correlated with the view, the clouds and the horizon, as you can see in the examples that I gave in my previous post.

Hi again, First, about the animations that I showed here a few weeks ago: 1. https://i.ibb.co/VWjFPMb/Toggle-1-2.gif 2. https://i.ibb.co/zx2WhbP/Toggle-3-4.gif I don't buy the explanation that the 'UFO' stays exactly at the same orientation because of the flare of the IR camera. Yes, we saw some examples of flare that changes its orientation when the camera is turning, but to say that it is SO ACCURATE that it makes the object looks like it's not moving at all, is ridiculous in my opinion. Second, I played some more with that, I added a color palette to the frames to enhance the horizon line, and I'm sorry to say but it behaves just as you expect from an object (like an insect) that is standing on the pod's window (again, from inside, not exposed to the wind and the cold). Check the new animation gifs that I made: 1. https://i.ibb.co/MChpLGb/Animation1.gif 2. https://i.ibb.co/CPwhkNJ/Animation2.gif 3. https://i.ibb.co/7XpqKPX/Animation3.gif 4. https://i.ibb.co/mS0dLBs/Animation4.gif See how the 'UFO' stays Exactly at the same spot although the horizon itself is going up and down quite a lot. If it were an external object, I would expect it to also move up and down together with the horizon, but it doesn't. All the evidence shows that whatever it is, it's fixed to the airplane and it's not external.

I prefer not to get into details about the systems that I worked with, but I remember that when I touched it (specially at the base) it felt like at least 55°C - 65°C. You can search in Google specifications for an average thermal camera for aircraft, I don't think that it will be much different.

1. I agree that we have to wait for an expert answers, otherwise this talk is pointless. 2. I'll just say that I had the chance to work several times with that kind of systems (thermals cameras for aircraft) and I can tell you that they produce a lot of heat. Yeah the sensor itself is cooled to a very low temperature by a cooler that is attached to it, but all the electronic around it is hot, the camera itself is very hot. So I have no doubt that when a camera like that is sitting in it's small space inside the pod it is just like a Heater, and the air around it is hot. An insect will have not problem of cold when he is next to the camera, and if it will get warmed by the camera, then it will looks hot when it's standing on the pod's window. 3. I saw a video that I can't find now that gave me the impression that the IR camera inside the pod is fixed in it's place, and only the front pod's unit with the window is rotating around it. If that's the case and the pod's window can move and and pass the view to a fixed camera inside, then it may explain how it can bring the object to the center even if it's fixed on the window. 4. To insert an image into the text you just have to paste the address of the image, that's all. If the image is on your local computer then you can use this free site to upload it to the internet: https://imgbb.com Then after you finish click it to open, then right click on it, copy image address, then paste here.

Sorry but I don't have time to investigate this to the deep now, let's face it we are both not experts about how it works, we need to find someone who actually works with this system who can tell us if the infrared camera can move inside the pod, or if the algorithm can move the picture a little while it's in zoom mode. If the object was acquired while the picture was in zoom x2 (meaning that you see only part of the full frame) then theoretically the algorithm could move the zoomed area left/right/up/down to bring the object to the middle. And, there is also the possibility that just by chance the bug landed on the middle of the window, which you know it's not that big... Again, we need to ask an ATFLIR expert to know, but as far as I know the type of tracking that we see in this video is done by an algorithm that follows the object in the image itself. So if the algorithm looks at the picture and think that the object move from left to right, then it will send the Pod a command to move physically to the right to keep the object in the middle. The tracking algorithm sees a hot spot in the frame, and it sends signals to the pod to move here or to move there, it doesn't know if that hot spot is an external target of if it's on the window. I think that both of you, you and Moontanman, are doing lot of assumptions which are not necessarily true about the temperature of the bug. Look at this picture, as you know trees are not producing heat, do you think that the deer and the trees has the same temperature? And let's look at some frames from the 'UFO' video itself, do you think that the clouds are Hot as the object? You also forget that the pod has lot of Hot electronic equipment inside, so if the insect was first on this hot equipment, and only then he flew to the window, then it would still be hot. The pod is a large tank with lot of equipment inside, many times the technicians open the pod in order to do maintenance works. When the pod is open, what prevents insects and bugs from going inside and walks between the infrared camera and the pod's window? If almost 25% of the people that tried that survived, then you can be sure that at least 50% of the insects in this conditions will survive. And again I remind you that it's hot inside the pod because of all the hot electronic equipment that it carries, so an insect inside will not suffer from cold, that's for sure.

That's a guess, you can't know why it in the center, maybe it just happened to go there, you don't have the beginning of the video to see what exactly happened. I'm just saying that even if you will take an insect and glue it to the center of the pod's window during flight then there is a big chance that you will get exactly the same behavior that you see in this video. The tracking algorithm will see the insect that you attached to the window, and it will try to track it like it's an external object on the background of the sky and the clouds. Why shouldn't it track it? How should it know that it's not an external target? It sees something hot on the background of the sky and it's trying to track it like it was an airplane. You are guessing, you can't know by the colors in the video if the object is "much hotter" than the surrounding. In many infrared cameras the image processing gives (in "White Hot" mode) a black color to the coldest pixels in the frame, a white color to the hottest pixels, and all the other pixels get grey levels between. So even if the insect temperature is just 0.5 degrees hotter than the window it will be white (or black in the "Black Hot" mode). 1. You don't know what was the temperature inside the pod, you forget that it's a closed box... if the aircraft rose to 25,000 feet it's not necessarily says that immediately within a second or two the temperature inside the pod drops below zero, and don't forget that there are many electronic systems inside the pod that produce heat. 2. There are stories of people who survived inside a wheel well of a plane (a landing gear compartment) so an insect will not survive it? Even for a few minutes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wheel-well_stowaway_flights 1. Many insects can produce body heat: https://asknature.org/strategy/muscles-create-heat-to-warm-nest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect_thermoregulation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28889866 2. It's logic that an insect inside the pod will be hotter than the cold window that it's attached to which is exposed to the frozen wind outside. Here: https://www.metabunk.org/nyt-gimbal-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.t9333 "Here's the type of motion we are talking about rotation, and tracking on the exterior. This will be combined with internal camera movements to keep the horizon level." Well, I also disagree with you and I think that it is solid. I saw several examples of flare and what we see in this video is not even close. See this two pictures that I created to show the different between the object and it's flare: The black shape that we see in the "Gimbal Video" is too massive to be a flare, and it has a very clear shape. It looks very solid to me, and I don't think that it's a flare, sorry.

lightpanther, 1. Let's suppose that the insect decided to rest on the center of the Pod's window (on it's inner side of course) why wouldn't the scenario that we see in this video describe it? 2. About the movement of the pod (that you can see on the top-center of the display) it can happen because of the tracking algorithm that got confused and concluded that the object moves to the right, because as you can see the tracking aircraft is turning to the left toward the object, but the object stays in it's place so it looks as it's comming from left to right, so the tracking system makes the necessary corrections to bring it in front on the plane. 3. Also even in case that the insect was not in the center of the window, I read in another place that the internal camera inside the pod can also move independently from the pod movements, so it could change it's position in order to make the insect be centered on the frame. 4. Another point, we see on the display that the camera was in a digital zoom x2 ("Z 2.0" on the top-left) that's mean that you see only part of the full frame, so I don't know how exactly does it works, but the camera could digitally shift the zoomed frame up/down/left/right to make the insect centered. 5. I don't think that it's flare, I saw several examples of IR flare and it's not looks even a bit similar. The glare looks like a long, narrow beams that are coming out of the object, which is not what we see here. Also the contours of the object looks strong enough that it's clear to me that we are looking at the object itself, and not on it's glare. It's pretty encouraging to see someone who got more negative points than mine See my reply to lightpanther. Also I don't think that we need to know what is the orientation of the camera relative to the plane, because we see that the horizon (the real horizon) changes it's angle, so if it was a real external target there it should had have also change it's angle exactly the same.

Of course that this object is being tracked, how exactly does it contradict the Insect theory? The system see an object on the screen and it's tracking it, it doesn't know if it's a flying airplane or if it's a bug on the lens that looks "flying" when it Integrates with the view behind it. It's sees a spot in the frame and it's following it. Please explain why doesn't it move when the airplane rotate? Why the horizon line (that you can see behind the clouds) move perfectly in correlation with the artificial horizon of the aircraft, but the object stays Exactly in the same possition? https://i.ibb.co/zx2WhbP/Toggle-3-4.gif Only object that is attached to the airplane can explain that.

Who said that it's part of the Nimitz incident? Look again especially at "Example 2" that I gave, if you watch it on a big screen, in a dark room, then you see clear enough the horizon line behind the clouds (it looks like a sea) and it's perfectly correlated with the artificial horizon line of the aircraft, but the 'Object' stays exactly in the same position. Sorry, an external object will not behave this way, it's very clear that it's attached to the aircraft.