Sirjon

When it comes to man's behavior - Newton's Law of Gravity works perfectly. It proven that in distances between the brain, heart and that's 'in between our legs', the attraction is stronger if we're closer to the center of gravity. Agree?

True. Somehow, that is how we perceive things, in relative to something. Now, if we speak about the speed of the earth's rotation and the speed of sun's travel in space, the swirling of galaxies and , if gravity is a force, with all the gravitational forces that acting upon to make that stone stay motionless in its position, then we should come up with the question "how" it happening that way? So, the earth's gravity 'g', is simply a net, as we perceived it, of all the factors we need to consider. Not the other way around. We based things only on how we observed things. We calculate things based on the data we gathered. But the thing is, we are also seems entangled with the principles or laws we're proposing , if new discoveries were presented that are different from our previous knowledge We should be more 'imaginative' as what Einstein did in his famous work on 'relativity', started with his 'thought experiment'. Note: Wish to correct myself...please edit, " God does not play 'dice'. I'm sorry, my statement is correct, Einstein DON'T believe, " God plays dice". no need to edit it.

The discrepancies I'm talking about are the unexplained contradictions or may I say, unexpected events that did not conform to what Science should be leading into, if logical reasoning is applied. Let me give you some examples: 1) Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation. The planets' pull of gravity keep them stay in their respective orbits. The same principle apply for all heavenly bodies such as the galaxies. Now, we know it was observed that galaxies are moving away from each other. 2) There is no such thing as 'object at rest' .If we consider that the earth rotates on its axis, revolves around the sun, the sun is following a pattern of direction of motion relative to its position in our galaxy, while our galaxy doing the same thing, in tremendous speeds, then 'how' strong the earth's gravity really is (if gravity is an attracting force) to keep a stone in the sand to stay on its position? 3) Previously, we observed the universe phase of expansion (as a whole), is speeding up and yet lately, the findings in the near galaxies show, that the observed expansion seems to be slowing down. Could it be, that like the earth, which has an elliptical orbit, the sun could be now entering the long curve or the short curve of it's journey in the outer space? 4) Why CMB is effective at large scale distances of cosmos while MOND at local or small distances? Could it be that there is a much higher kind of geometry that we're not yet discovered that will explain and match them together? 5) Why there are things in nature that shows the Fibonacci's pattern are all over the places, even in the cosmos? Is this a clue that this could be the blueprint to explain nature and the universe? According to Bishop Barkeley - matter, space and time are just 'illusions' based on our senses and perception. I don't agree on that. The illusions I'm referring into are the wrong 'starting points' that leading us into something that seems to be correct at the beginning and yet lead us into a confusion, at the end. Einstein don't believe that 'God plays dice' as against 'Heisenberg's principle of 'Uncertainty'. I agree with Einstein. The laws of nature is based on a set of equations, not on a single GUT but rather in a kind of higher Math system that will explain, later, why A is not B but if we're smarter enough, we can explain, first on 'HOW' A is not B and not based on the 'whys', alone.

It seems... The understanding of the universe is in the hands of the Mathematicians, not with Scientists. All that we observes are mere 'illusions' as we are being misconceived by the far and the near, the small and the big. the fast and the slow, the flats and the rounds. The ultimate goal is to find a a set of equations to explain the discrepancies and a math that will give the equivalence to unify them. We will achieve it if we become as smart as the one, God or not, who designed it.

Well, you are right. Maybe I'm barking on the wrong tree. I respect all what science was done for centuries now since the Ancient Greeks' era. For 10 years I abandoned and even considered that this idea of mine is a 'crazy' thing. With limited Math and science, I would end up to look 'ridiculous' if I will attempt to present evidence in 'equations', which I am not capable to do. But with the 'on-going' events right now, such people as discussing the Earth is flat and NASA's moon landings were hoax (I am not fan of Flat Earth) and geologists suggesting that the earth seems to be expanding - I made this attempt to simply re-present it again as could be, the right approach to solve the puzzles. Well, thank you very much for all the people who participated in this discussion: Strange, Dr P and others I missed to mention. You can lock this thread now and have a good day, everybody!

oh yeah. sorry, it took me time to research on it. Sorry, I have to back up my claims from the info that I might get from other websites. Although, it could not be be official, I certainly, all were presented ( with respect to the persons involved) were considered to be 'scientific'.

It seems to be absurd to me that you locked me out that way (easily), without letting me present my supporting evidences to the previous title, 'Everything in the universe are expanding three dimensional'. Any way I'm back. First, I have to accept that I have to correct my self, in the strict rule of the scientific world, a 'theory' is a a very ' holy word' to present as to the level of theologians, thus, it a sacred word, so, I stand corrected. Mine is simply a a 'hypothesis Somehow, to connect to my previous claim, there are on-going studies in geology that favoring that the earth, as to the data and analysis gathered, showing, that indeed, the earth is is expanding. The following links are my references. https://www.dinox.org/expandingearth.html htps://www.dinox.org/expandingearth.html Now to tackle back the issue that I wish to present, I thought that there were no ‘experiment’ done prior to my suggestion. But browsing and researching with what the Flat Earthers ‘ claiming that the Earth is flat, I came up with the following links. To be clear about my stand, I do still believe that the earth is ‘round’ and if not a perfectly ‘spherical’ as according to the mainstream science, it still not a ‘flat earth’ as others claims. But as to this hypothesis, there could be three things that we need to consider: 1) The expansion of the earth that obviously observed by the geologists could be the a clue to the underlying geometry or some scientific explanation backed up by mathematical analysis that will support, that indeed, my hypothesis that I presented ‘that the earth and all along the things in the universe is expanding three-dimensionally.( Although, I personally admit, they could have a different view that the expansion of the earth is far from my idea). 2) If by chance, why not perform an ‘official experiment ‘along with the Earth Flatters and prove that they are wrong? What if the result will not conform with the ‘mainstream science’ (that the the earth is not round) what will happen then?then? To be candid about this, all I have are merely ‘thought analysis’ based on the geometrical illustration or imagination that might ‘occur’ if by chance, gravity is not a kind of ‘attracting force, at all. What my analysis lead me is that if by through 'the earth's measurement ', the earth will then be flat, in a way, it will favor the Earth flatters. But as to another way, it will indeed, prove that the earth would be round. Let me present this crude illustration: in the above illustration, it could show that the earth will expand exponentially at a given T time ( as to the condition that the earth's surface expanding at 9.8 meters per second square) In point A, the earth already expanded at T1 time that to an observer the surface will look flat. As to point B (sorry, it did not show there, as the earth already expanded, the earth will still show flat. If by chance, the observer looked back on opposite side (point D) with the imaginary line, it will still look flat as it happened, that the earth surface already moved upward at the time it was observed. This is the is the idea that i think about

Well, I believe the whole universe is filled up with ultimately, much smaller particles than leptons and quarks that scattered in the whole universe and occupy even the outer space.. No matter how Science try to know the elementary particles, at the end we will feel frustrated as, if my theory is correct, these elementary particles already formed into much larger particles and so on and so, every seconds, that we have to dig much deeper to come up with knowing these elementary particles. That's the reason there's seems to be no end to the sequence of boxes within boxes. No such thing as 'empty' space - even the outer space is filled with these elementary particles. Although, I also accept the reality of such discrepancies in such argument - how come massive objects such as metals are heavier than cotton, there could be underlying 'geometry' or mathematical analysis that may someday, explain it. Well, to be honest regarding this, I have limited skill regarding the math that will prove my claim - the reason why i am sharing this to you, mainly, for others, who are more expert in this field (scientists and mathematicians), who might consider to temporarily forget 'all what we learned from mainstream science' and start from this initial statement - gravity is a push from the ground at 9.8 meters per second square. I think William Clifford is correct when he suggested that gravity is a manifestation of an underlying geometry. I am not in a position to argue or give mathematical analysis that will prove my claim, which I am lacking - But what will happen, as to my suggestion, by performing an 'accurate' experiment based on modern equipment and technology that we have to prove that the Earth is round, the result shows the other way around? I think you're not getting my point - but if you insist, that is what the math is telling you, then all we have are all speculations. Maybe, performing such experiment will put the Flat Earthers to 'silence'. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kingdon_Clifford)

I got this blog (I hope this link will be allowed , https://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/11/catalog-of-flat-earth-claims-refutations.html ) Claim #5... let me quote " So the buildings DO tilt away in all directions - but it's too slight to be measure by merely looking at it" As I mentioned earlier, with the modern technology that we have now that can even measure length in nanometer, why not do an accurate measurement using the latest equipment to prove it one way or another. If my theory is correct, there will be no difference in angles (both the buildings and even the the buildings' columns would be exactly parallel to each other, 90 degrees perpendicular to the ground), NOT because the earth is flat but due to reason that the earth is expanding from the center as we're being push upward that we feel it like a pull of gravity.

True. I believe also Science was able to determine the size of an atom, or the distance an atom can travel? The fact that we can now measure things in 'nanometers' (check if this will be allowed: https://electroiq.com/2019/02/graphene-sandwich-key-to-new-electronics). So why not experiment in much realistic environment? We know it pretty well that Edwin Hubble was right, the Universe is expanding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe General relativity was introduced by Einstein in 1915 at the time he thought that the universe was static. Maybe, he realized that the idea of the expanding bodies would not match that kind of a static universe, so he assumed that space-time to be curved. Only in 1924 that Edwin Hubble gave that revelation that the Universe is expanding. But recent studies, suggest that the Universe is not only expanding but racing out at an ever-faster pace. If by chance, that if the spaces in between the Galaxies are expanding, could it be that everything in the Universe are also expanding, in three dimensional fashion? We don't notice it because of the same reasoning that the Earth is not flat but round but we're not noticing it because the Earth is so huge - In Cosmological measurement, we're also talking about spaces in huge distances. What I was suggesting is that we can explain to Flat Earth believers that the earth looks flat if we're stepping on the ground but in reality, is 'round', if by chance, the Earth is expanding or getting larger every seconds of a time. The word 'reconcile' here is regarding the proper way of reasoning and not merely keep on saying, that the 'Earth is so huge we 're not noticing it.'

Pardon me, but this is the very reason this topic was moved to this section - "Speculations"

I have a question - with all the technology that we have nowadays with very sensitive measuring equipment that can measure even a slight change in microscopic length (in micron), was there any kind of experiment done to prove that we can detect any shift in angle between two poles standing, let’s say a kilometer away from each other, with the condition that the line in between them is a perfect straight line, to prove to the Flat Earth believers that indeed, the Earth is round? I done research in the Internet with the Q & A websites regarding the question - why the surface of the Earth seems flat and all the answer is - the Earth is so huge that we cannot notice it. Why disprove these people by such kind of experiment? Just to make it clear to you – I do believe that this planet we call Earth is indeed round, spinning on its axis, revolving around the Sun and our Galaxy is also moving in Space in a tremendous speed. Pardon me, please keep out that ‘impression’ that I go with the Flat Earth believers .

I Okay. Sorry for that... Thank you for moving it to the proper Section. Noted. Please read it carefully. I am not an advocate of Flat Earth. In fact I believe that the Earth is round. What I am pointing out is that as we move along any surface of the Earth, it looks like flat but it is, really a round thing, The only difference is, we're not noticing it, as well, that as I 'speculated' it (right word this time!), that every points we are standing in a spherical planet like the Earth is moving upward from its center, showing that the Earth, along with all the things on it are expanding in 3D (getting larger) in every seconds of a time.

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I was a believer in the theory that 'gravity' does not exist as a natural force but rather due to the Earth expanding from it's center in a three dimensional way. I just learned recently the debate between the a 'Flat Earth' advocates contending that the Earth is not round. Believers in Flat Earth keeps on claiming that everywhere you look, even the horizon is perfectly horizontal and even showing the proof that Kansas is perfectly flat. It also makes no sense to me regarding the basics of Euclidean Geometry that no two straight lines can be vertically parallel from each lines if they were drawn from the center of a circle. However, to make a flat ground on the surface of the Earth, you need to make the columns or pillars to be perpendicular to the Earth's center of gravity. Many says that the Earth is so huge that we simply cannot notice the curving of the surface. I realized then that this is one proof that indeed, each points on the surface of the Earth ( as I agree the Earth is round'), where one is standing is accelerating from the ground at the rate of 32 ft per second square upward and we feel it as a pull of gravity. Now the reason that everything that we see are horizontally flat on Earth is because we have to consider the time it takes the object to reach our eyes and not merely a visual illusion. Meaning, as we standing and staring, example an object from the distance, the surface or ground where the object is standing already moved upward and instead it looks slanted away from us as the fundamental geometry will tell us, it will indeed, looks perfectly standing 90 degrees from the ground. Same thing, if we try to go near that object, every points on the surface where we move are also moving upward that we feel that we are walking in a flat surface. I just share this as this could be an alternative idea to reconcile the differences between the mainstream science and the flat Earth believers. one more thing, I believe that not only the spaces in between the galaxies are expanding, everything in the universe are also three dimensionally expanding There could another scientific analysis or some kind of geometrical or mathematical system that we can develop to explain this observation. Thank you for the this opportunity to share my thoughts.

Hi, I'm new too...forgot to introduce myself yet I posted some threads already. Apology for those geeks out there who happened to read my blogs. I think the main title is a little bit "too harsh".Sorry... to mellow it down, forget it and soon I'll change it into "Gravity Applied to THe Fundamental Laws of Physics", promise.

Would you believe there is a fifth dimension? That space-time could be the surface of a five-dimensional balloon? Gravity and Space-Time: Related to Each Other

It has to do with the "new matter". Re-examine the "Steady-StateTheory" and make a modification and of course, ignore that gravity is a force. What Makes Space-Time Expands: (Re-Examining “The Steady State Theory and Inflationary Models”)

Space-Time is abstract. It is like the imaginary lines in a globe we call latitudes and longitudes. It is difficult to perceive it physically but I conceived it this way - Space-time is that invisible canvass where the observable Universe is painted, except a painting is a "still picture' while the Universe is not. Space-time sometimes distorts our senses of sight and time. Gravity and Space-Time:Related to Each Other

You have a point but I could give an answer to that, only if you give attention to the series of blogs I written in that website. Its not yet updated, there are maybe two or three more blogs I am not yet posting, depending on the reactions and appreciations of the readers. But thank you for your response. I do appreciate it. Sir Jon No Need To Be Super Genius To Prove Gravity is Not A Force

It seems Science is getting too far. There so many theories about gravity yet most of them are too complicated to comprehend. Remember Ptolemy? He taught that the Earth was the center of the Universe until Copernicus' simple model of the Solar System knocked him down. Let's go back to basics, the very fundamentals of Science and from here, maybe, we could find the right answer to what gravity really is? After all. Einstein could be right - gravity is not a force. Check it out. Thanks. Sir Jon (Author, "No Need to Be Super Genius to Prove Gravity is Not A Force") http://abnewlog.blogspot.com