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Right. That is also a possibility for now because it couldn't be demonstrated yet, the existence or unexistence of God, isn't it? But the truth exists and is unique. The fact we could not know it is another problem.

Billons of opinions may be because the truth hasn't been found yet. But the truth exist and is unique. May be we don't know it but it exists. Of course the problem would be to find it and demonstrate it what could not be easy at all. While not demonstrated I think we must stay with what at least can make sense to us...

You are right. Everything about God are opinions and theories. Any Religion is nothing more than a theory. The point is to try to find the truth. I present to everybody what makes sense to me after a long time reflecting about taking much things into account. May be could make sense to you too. It's your decision...

I think that was God idea. The Universe to run alone without much intervention. The problem is that things didn't run as would have been planned. Something unexpected came into place and things became wrong. And for the worst was something that affected God himself not allowing him fix the things. That's what I think. The question open for us is if a help could be given. The purpose of this thread is to point this out.

Right.

Just in your opinion...

No. It was well written… 😄

The Creator of the Universe. If none of your known "Creator of the Universe God" convince you, I think you could try to develop your own concept for that God.

No, God is for real. Only his problems remain for our imagination.

That's why I didn't even try to post the link of my site. That's why I think is not good to discuss about my personal work which is related to it here. But I have been accused to not wanting to discuss then. So, I don't know what to do now…

I have pointed out the possible problem of a God in troubles and that I think may be something could be done about but only by the imagination. Following this approach I think each one should follow his own intuition and imagination to try to find God's troubles and point out possible solutions. May be someone luckily find the right ones and the solution of the world and life problems would follow. The only thing I evaded is to talk about my personal work in this approach. Now, as I said, you can find it in my profile if you would be interested. Now is up to you to present your point of view if you want. I don't expect any agreement you know. What I don't know is if it would be good to discuss that in this thread...

Ok, let discuss whatever you want then. What I don't know is everything could be discussed in this thread but go ahead.

I did it challenging things of Science and things of Religions, of course. I have developed a small site for that but I'm not allowed to publish the link here, right? But it is in my profile in the Forum. You can visit it and take a look in the site if you want. But is not possible to discuss everything about it here in this thread you know… And I guess you won't like what you will find so useless to discuss about...

They can be connected. I did. Too complex and extense to discuss this here I think.

Right. I disregarded some rocks of the Science's mountain and took some others of the Religion's mountain to make my way in the valley. That's why I am here now. That's why I could be a problem for you now… 😄

That's what you think...

Yes, what's your point now?

Science versus Religion, right? Quote of mine: “There exist two mountains, the Physics Sciences’ one and the Religions’ one. Between, a valley to transit.” I believe in something in the "middle" but it would be too extense to discuss here in this thread… May be other time...

Hey, you all went beyond the scope of the thread...

You are not going too give up so easily isn't it? And now you are stating Hawking did it wrongly... Fatalism has nothing to do here! That isn't even mentioned in the article of the context of the quote. You wrongly invented that. The quote is about freedom of choice, in other words "free will". How could you not understand that? Unbelievable. This is my last comment. I'm out now. It doesn't worth discuss this anymore.

If you are stubborn I'm worst. Hawking's quote "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined and that we can do nothing to change it look before they cross the road." is clearly and obviously related to free will.

Any case, with or without determinism, what i remark is Hawking's support to the existence of free will, the main subject of this thread. My personal opinion on the subject is that i find rather difficult if not impossible the possibility of the existence of free will within a completely deterministic Universe…

Right. That was the intention.

I totally agree with this! Is you that didn't see the comma after the "No" I posted!

One thing is how things are, other thing is how they should be. I don't want to go beyond the scope of the thread but just to figure out how a God could change everything is may be altering slightly some physics parameters' values. Everything would be different. Nature would be different. But to intervent in the Physics of the Universe is something that only a God could do. Current parametrs' values could be not the ideal ones for an ideal kind of life… That points out a possible problem in the Physics of the Universe of course...