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That would indeed be huge, but it doesn't happen. If the friend is capable of calling Wigner, Wigner is effectively in the lab. Decoherence has taken place. Wigner cannot measure interference anymore as the wave function has collapsed. This has nothing to do with what the friend writes or says. This cannot be. If Wigner can measure the system, the lab is not a contained system (not a Schrodinger’s box) and the wave function of the photon is collapsed already due to it already having been measured by the friend. Wigner doesn’t know the result of that measurement (a classic epistemological state), but the photon is not in superposition relative to Wigner. If the lab is a perfect box (zero information coming out), then Wigner has nothing to measure. The friend can lie all he wants. It will have no effect on the outcome of any experiment unless Wigner bases his decisions (what to measure) on the information from the friend.
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How Strong the Earth's Gravitational Attraction Really Is?
Halc replied to Sirjon's topic in Speculations
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You need to actually read the post to which you are replying, which gave a fine example of change without speed of change. Another one: Air pressure changes with altitude, which is change without time or 'speed of change'. It has a rate of change which is the first derivative of the atitiude/pressure relationship, but that rate has no time associated with it, and thus cannot be expressed as a 'speed of change'.
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Hubble helped provide evidence for the expansion, but did not discover it. He certainly didn't discover the acceleration of the expansion, which wasn't known for over 4 decades after his death. Yes, but that kind of motion (peculiar motion) is caused by local mass distribution, just like Earth's motion is largely effected by nearby masses, notably the sun. With peculiar motion, every change in momentum in one direction must be countered by some other opposite momentum change in the opposite direction. The peculiar motion of the Milky Way is actually more or less away from Andromeda, being largely influenced by the VIrgo supercluster, the Great Attractor, and ultimately the Shapley Attractor, all of which are vaguely in the same direction somewhat away from Andromeda. That will of course change when Andromeda passes us and gets on the other side in its slow dance to eventually consume us. None of this motion has anything to do with accelerated expansion of space. Accleration is observed by noting that Hubble's constant (rate of change in proper distance as a function of comoving distance) is not constant, but has been increasing since a minimum was reached about have the age of the universe ago. Before then it was considerably higher, and decelerating, mostly due to gravity predominating over dark energy during a time when the mass density of the universe was sufficiently high.
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It did this from day 1, as do all free standing front load washing machines of which I am aware. The laundromat ones don't do it because they're bolted to the floor and to each other. The imbalance comes from laundry not being perfectly distributed. Nothing I can do stops that since the machine redistributes it, and tries quite hard to do it evenly. My point is that it does it most at a moderate frequency, which is similar to what the OP described. While I'm replying to your posts then: This is a plausible problem. If I take a disk and mount it at a slight angle relative to the axis of rotation, then it will wobble/vibrate as it spins despite not being off center. This is why it takes at least 2 weights to balance a car tire, which in combination yield a static balance (adjust the center of gravity to be on the rotation axis) and a dynamic balance (redistribute the mass of the wheel to a plane perpendicular to the spin axis). Or put it inside. It is a 'washer' after all.
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It's the same effect as my washing machine where the resonance really shows. It is never balanced well, despite its effort to distribute the load evenly. At very low speed, the imbalance has little effect as the forces are not large enough to move the machine. At medium speed (when it first attempts a moderate spin) it shakes like crazy, sometimes throwing the dryer next to it off the pedestal they're on. At high speed (1200 RPM), it's smooth as can be, but when it coasts back down to a stop, it has to pass through that moderate RPM place that makes it shake everything to death. I had a ceiling fan that shook badly at higher speed due to imbalance (as opposed to not being aligned with its axis). I duct-taped a thick metal washer about 2/3 of the way out from the axis and it ran flawlessly. Took a bunch of tries to find the sweet spot. So we're all sitting there one day and the thing lets go at high speed. I'm 5 meters away and get this washer smacking into the furniture 20 cm from my head. Never put it back. We just run the thing at medium speed tops.
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Comment on the picture "In case you missed it, we are here" puts Earth at a location in the night sky, and at the arbitrary direction chosen to center the image at that. "We are here" is a self contradiction in this case. We are not at a specific direction (some constellation?) in the night sky of where we are.
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Finding length of a side of a hexagon inside a square.
Halc replied to Bloop's topic in Analysis and Calculus
You should at least attempt to show some effort in your OP so we know where you're getting stuck. It is a simple problem that might appear in a middle-school algebra test, made all the simpler by the fact that it is multiple choice, so the answer is already sitting there in one of the 5 answers, most of which are already absurd. -
They're known as Moiré patterns
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I hope you realize that spoilers on race cars do not create lift, but rather the opposite, preventing the car from flying. Lift would slow the cars.
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Rightly so. The purpose of the sub is not these things. It can use GPS if navigation is a goal at all. We probably want to know our depth at least. But you're making the same mistake with the first two statements. You're assuming a purpose of the craft is to keep a human alive, or to float when unpowered. We just want it to go fast on its own power. That's all. I also assure you that if it experiences structural failure at 1500 m/sec, the survival odds of a hypothetical occupant is not going to be a function of the internal pressure of the life support system.
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Why should it be for our racing submarine? Like a fish, there's no particular requirement to keeps a certain pressure inside. By all means, pressurize it if it helps. Even humans can take that so long as they don't mind the time it takes to depressurize. Similarly, given the power our sub is going to need, the buoyancy of the thing (be it positive or negative) seems a drop in the bucket compared to the sorts of forces we plan for it. Likewise, an airplane going fast need not worry about the fact that it has greater density than the air it displaces. Propulsion on the other hand is a serious issue, as it was for the early supersonic aircraft. I think fish tails would work better than a propeller, and in the worst case, we can always fall back to our rocket. Nobody said we had to sustain the speed for a long time. The shock wave is also a serious issue as you point out. The thing will be shaped like a needle, splitting the water 'gently' to the side rather than compressing it in a shock wave. Minimum sonic boom. This reduces the problem to one of the increased friction resulting from the greater surface area presented. Imagine an amoeba, injecting its skin into new territory, and then moving all its interior guts into that new expanded volume, closing it in behind. Just do that a lot faster. They have creatures that word this way. No propulsion since the skin is effectively stationary relative to the water and need not even be particularly slippery. All the motion (movement of its center of gravity) takes place internally.
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The original statement has multiple interpretations, left ambiguous by your translation. This being a topic concerning translation of English to logic, I approve the translation. The two interpretations seem to generate mutually exclusive statements. Each has implications seemingly opposite of each other. The interpretations break into logical statements involving two of three variables: S(sunny), G, and E for weddings in garden and elsewhere respectively. Note that neither interpretation is a function of all three variables. Both G and E can be false if no weddings are held that day, and can both be true if weddings are held in both places. Interpretation 1: On sunny days, all weddings are held in the garden. S => ~E This implies that if there is an indoor wedding, it is not a sunny day. It does not imply that if it is a sunny day, there is a wedding. Interpretation 2: On sunny days, there are weddings held in the garden. S => G This implies that if there are no weddings today, it is not a sunny day. It does not imply that if there is an indoor wedding, it is not a sunny day.
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Are the requirements such that the object moving has to A) maintain its speed, B) be self propelled and air-propelled, and C) survive the event. If A) is a requirement, the shuttle coming in doesn't count since it is slowing down, as is a meteor coming in at mach 100. If B) is a requirement (probably the most interesting question), then it becomes a question of how much thrust you can generate in a medium using that medium for reaction mass. This is reminiscent of my favorite Bonneville event: Fastest wheel-powered vehicle, far more challenging than simply strapping a cockpit and skateboard to a missile. If C) is a requirement, the meteor is out. This seems a reasonable requirement since anybody can just go out in space, come back and skim the atmosphere at 0.5c. Earth might even survive a graze like that. Related question I've posed to the dinner table: How fast must a ping-pong ball come in from space to destroy a submarine at 100m depth? (We have interesting dinner table conversations)
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Sure it is. Bob (owner of Bob's solar farms) was known to sink all his profits into expansion of the business, and thus Bob's solar farms increased its energy production capacity at an average rate of 40 megawatts per year over the last decade.
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Gravity for a fixed mass object scales with the inverse square law (shown first by Newton, late 1600's), not the square-cube law, which instead relates area to volume, and also orbital periods (Kepler, around 1600). We're not talking about a fixed mass object here, so yes, the square-cube law is relevant, but only when Newton's work is applied. A planet of half the radius would have 4x/8x the gravity (8th the mass, half the radius squared). Ghideon gives a good answer to the OP. A basketball sized Earth would exert as much gravity as a basketball sized rock, which is negligible in comparison to what we're used to.
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Not so. I'm functionally a cyclops, and the 3D glasses they give you in the cinema do nothing for me, but I get my 3D vision from motion (moving myself) rather than from binocular vision. It doesn't work as well, but enough that I don't need to resort to groping to perceive depth.
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It is not a real paradox since the Theory (SR in this case) predicts nothing different than what happens in reality. It is only when the situation is assessed by a naive person who does not know the theory well that inconsistencies might first appear. If I am figuring out something and I get an inconsistency like that, my instinct is like that of a scientist: I assume I made a mistake somewhere, and do not assume the theory is wrong. The wiki article expresses this: "Therefore, at first sight, it might appear that the thread will not break during acceleration." This already implies somebody who isn't very familiar with SR, since anybody who knows it well knows that a rigid object (one that retains its proper length at all times) undergoes different magnitudes of proper acceleration along its length. The two spaceships undergo identical proper acceleration, therefore the assembly of the two connected ships does not constitute a rigid object and will not retain its proper length. So it is no surprise that the string breaks. It is similar to the twins 'paradox', which seems to always want to use twins because it pushes an intuitive button in humans that twins are always the same age. But this naively makes the assumption that the twins have similar acceleration histories. Once this 'rule' is found to not be a valid rule, the paradox resting on the rule vanishes. A true paradox will falsify a theory. If a theory resting on a set of premises predicts that X is true and that X is not true, that is a true paradox, and it is a general indication that at least one of the premises leading to the paradox is false. In the case of Bell's spaceships, all observers agree that the string should break given what they're doing, so there's no paradox.
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The distance between the ships does contract in the S frame, but since the proper distance between the ships increases, it effectively stays the same in the S frame. So say the ships (separated by 1 light hour) accelerate identically (same proper acceleration, commencing simultaneously in S) to 0.6c. In the new inertial frame (T) where they both eventually come to rest, the ships are now 1.25 light hours apart (proper distance), which is length contracted to 1 light hours in frame S. The 1 light hour string is length contracted to 0.8 LH in S, which isn't enough to connect them. It is fully 1 LH in T, which also isn't enough to connect them.
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The distance between the ships in frame S remains the same, but the length of the rope contracts in that frame and doesn't span the distance anymore. So it breaks. There is no paradox in this. One rigid ship of significant length does not accelerate at an equal rate along its length, so the pair of ships tied by a string does not behave as a rigid object would. The ships in this example are assumed to be essentially small objects of negligible length. Only the string has non-negligible length. I don't know what you mean by seeing a person running. In the frame of either ship during the acceleration phase, the rear one is going slower and the lead ship is going faster. So again, the string must break. There is no disagreement between the frames, and thus no paradox at all. Your spacetime diagram shows all of this.
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A mundane example of a spacetime interval being invariant
Halc replied to geordief's topic in Relativity
This is what I am getting at, and what nobody is answering. I am after the invariant spacetime interval between a pair of events separated in a time-like manner, under GR rules. In flat spacetime, the interval between two events is not a function of any worldline connecting the two events. Nevertheless, the one inertial worldline connecting the two events in question happens to have a proper temporal length equal to that interval (or to the square root of it). It is the worldline that maximizes this proper time between the events. Any other worldline will give a smaller time. This is by definition, and all observer will agree that Fred's clock must measure X time between this event and that. I don't care about this. I'm asking if any one of their time measurements happens to equal the spacetime interval between those two events. The measured times (worldline lengths) are obviously different, and the interval is not different for each observer, so at most only one of them can directly measure it. It's either X, Y, Z, some 4th worldline, or none of them. Z seems the only viable candidate (the one on a ballistic trajectory straight up, falling back just in time for the 2nd event. Z measures the maximal value, just like the one 'correct' observer in the flat scenario. I cannot think of a worldline that can log more time in my gravity scenario. How is a bunch of observers agreeing on the lengths of each other's worldlines in any way relevant to the spacetime interval being invariant? Said interval being invariant means that it isn't dependent on a choice of worldline connecting the two events. Again, this isn't my question. My question is this: If the interval between the two events in my example is 1 (we choose our units so the interval is 1), does any of the three clocks read 1? I can tell you that Z will always trace the longest worldline, using the equivalence principle logic in my prior post. I'm not asking which traces the longest worldline. I'm asking if any of the three is taking a direct measurement of the one worldline-independent interval between those two events. I don't know how to do the tensor computation, else I'd not be asking. -
A mundane example of a spacetime interval being invariant
Halc replied to geordief's topic in Relativity
All three observers are present at both events, and they all measure a different time on their clocks, so it can't be as simple as just reading the clock. You picture an orbit too high. One meter altitude is plenty to orbit an ideal sphere. The tower is just there to keep Y from getting belly burns and to give Z some acceleration space. Let's just say the blinks are far enough apart that the Z observer is going to measure the most time. If 90 minutes isn't enough for that, we can make it a month. X just sits at the light, experiencing proper acceleration. Remember, the planet is not spinning and has no air. Y orbits multiple times, but is inertial, and follows a geodesic at constant potential, so I assume he's dilated due to velocity, per H-K. Z goes up, fast at first, but quickly slowing to a near halt for most of the month at an altitude of considerable higher potential, so the +dilation due to potential will be greater than the -dilation due to the motion at either end of the trajectory. Z does his acceleration before the first blink, so the entire duration between the two events is inertial and follows a geodesic, albeit a different one than Y's worldline. This seems a nit-picky objection. Work with me here. I'm not after exact figures. I'm just pointing out that these three observers are going to measure different times between the events, so they can't all have measured the frame-invariant interval between the two events. If one of them is by definition correct, then which? Your equation doesn't immediately shed light on that. You hint that it is X, the one experiencing proper acceleration. This seems to contradict the equivalence principle which I think would have chosen Z. I can have observer X and Z in flat SR space, but in equivalent accelerating Rindler space. In that scenario, the two blinks take place at the same location in some inertial frame for Z and in the Rindler frame for X. In the inertial frame, X goes out and back, and Z is stationary at that location the entire time. In the Rindler frame, X is stationary and Z goes up and down, changing potential along the way, kind of like with Earth above, but different velocity relative to X. I cannot work out a path equivalent to Y in that scenario. -
It cannot be done 'all at once' since different parts of the ruler need different levels of proper acceleration. I did a topic once positing the minimum time it would take a 100 light year Born-rigid object to move one light hour in frame X, beginning and ending at rest in that frame. We had to carefully define independent acceleration all along its length to keep it always stationary in its own frame. It can be done, but it is necessarily not all moving at the same speed in any other frame, which doesn't contradict born rigidity. The only rule was that at no point could there be either stress or strain. Keeping it stationary in its own frame wasn't a requirement, but we couldn't find a quicker solution. It takes over 55 days to move the object as measured in any frame since the speed never got very high. The math is pretty trivial until you investigate alternate methods, but none of them yielded a shorter duration.
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A mundane example of a spacetime interval being invariant
Halc replied to geordief's topic in Relativity
Of course. I don't know my tensor calculus, but I know that tensors are frame invariant, and any scalar quantity like that must thus also be frame invariant, so that answers that. Thanks. Some specific examples then: OK, it makes more sense for the guy present at both events to have an easier job of determining the interval than the remote guy. Is the interval then just the time on his clock, or is it more complicated than that? I ask because I can have three observers X,Y,Z. The light blinks every ~90 minutes. X is our guy located at the top of a tower on a spherical non-rotating Earth (effectively Schwarzschild spacetime). Y is in low orbit and comes around exactly when it blinks. Z is lauched straight up a somewhat under escape velocity and comes back exactly in time for the second blink. All three observers are present at both events. Y I think will measure the shortest time and Z the greatest. Those two are inertial in that they follow geodesic worldlines. X does not and is under 1g of proper acceleration between the events. My guess is that all three are going to have to do some complicated mathematics to compute the invariant interval between those two events. None of them has the luxury of simply looking at his watch. I also admit not being able to explain concepts like time-killing vector fields. Heard of them, but I'm just a novice at this. -
A mundane example of a spacetime interval being invariant
Halc replied to geordief's topic in Relativity
I can think of few frame-invariant things. In fact, the interval seems to be a rare such thing. Yes, anybody can compute what is being measured relative to a different frame. We're all doing it in this forum all the time. That doesn't make the thing being measured frame invariant unless there is somehow a way to determine the objective frame that all can determine independently instead of an arbitrary choice that all decide to use. There is no such frame. In particular, there is no objective measure of gravitation potential. It is always relative. Ideally one would assign 0 gravitational potential to a place infinitely distant from all matter, but of course there is nowhere you can go to get away from it all. I've never seen the gravitational potential of Earth expressed in any absolute way. If you could do that, you could compute the objective dilation of a clock here on Earth and then get a figure for the actual rate of time passage in the universe. It would probably change over time. Again, I've never seen any valid attempt at this, just religious presumptions that we're the standard and the universe is all about us, just like we're also by chance the only stationary thing in the universe, and thus the center of it.