Andrew William Henderson

The nearly perpetual motion fed by another nearly perpetual allways re charging the other to become perpetual ... ? So the power to turn an electric generator is originaly powered by the release of a clock work spring turned once a year ..🤔

The shape of the matter they have formed can then be of different shapes ...is that right ? How many carbon atoms are required to make two particles of carbon distinguishable...?

Interesting ...but does it address what circumstances collected so to speak the available materials for the autocataylitc event..is that event post Abiogenesis or the start .. is the hypothesis simply moving a measurement point of a start reference up and down the scale and not addressing mechanical pressures and enviroments/ habitats caused by mechanical pressures that can only considered unreatable there effects on a chemical process in every sense would be random and prolonged ....its the mixing of the soup not just the ingredients and how the ingredients interact..The actual process remains unknown simply because the random mechanical pressures and circumstance are unaccountable in there number and originate for most of the time from the totally unique effects of its totally unique solar system I believe its these unaccountable mechanical pressures on a chemical process ..as you mention the chemical process is as much at the mercy of enviromental pressures as is evolving biology... if a biology2 is not expected to produce another giraffe why would a chemical process produce another biology or anything that we could consider biolgical ...

A puursit of evidence to support a hypothesis rather than the pursuit of data to explain a observation ...I too have collection of numbers and ideas that support the possibilty of faireys ....

Why is astrobioligy not in the speculation bin ...

Why is astrobioligy not in the speculation bin ...

I'm a keen reader of ww2 history and once read of german and allied submarine crew witnessing ball lighting travelling the length of the inside of the sub whilst been targeted with depth charges and was thought to be the effects of concussion / pressureand humidity of the atmosphere within the sub...🤔

Alien lifeforms may or or may not exsist who knows I'm not sure they could or couldn't....is that carefull enough and I hope it didnt upset anyones sensibility..🙂 all I have suggested is a scientific explanation of why we dont observe biology here or anywhere else ...please contradict me with scientific fact as why my suggestion/ hypothesis is not correct ..I understand it needs to be tested to destruction .

Well ???? what the hell as that got to with the post .....do you have anything to say or ask...? Sorry mate blue on blue ..

They haven't attempted once responded with a question or counter claim other than I'm not very good at spelling 👍

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I've been continually accused of not following protocol .for not engaging in a scientific disscussion when I've never been asked a question ..but demands that I'm wrong simply because of because ... it's the moderators who not allowing a discussion by other members it may be of no interest to you ..my point is a serious scientific question and you are been disingenuous in not allowing it .....show me how I went wrong your guys I need to convince !

The subject has raised more interest and questions than any of your posts..why the hostility is because it's your not idea ....attacking my ability to spell would be as rude and uncalled for as your ugliness would be relevant to mention to any of your ideas..if you're uninterested why comment at all ..I thought this was a forum of scientific debate It's just not special enough to not happen twice ...it seems ..life just must happen all the time ...there must be a must if it is to happen twice !

You knew what it ment or you wouldnt have noted the spelling mistake rather than the irony of the post ....I shall watch you're spelling like a hawk if you can produce a few words or an idea ..

Life exsits because it exsits here .. it's not special so it must happen every other week in the universe ..there is that many blinking planets out there it just must exsit by maths and science to think it can not exsit is not worthy of question or reason..they would not have made close encounters of the third kind if there was not something to it ...are they suggesting Spielberg is daft ...?

The process that produced biological lifeforms on earth (Abiogenesis) remains unknown however we can logically presume the process was not instantaneous but was incremental in time and subject to the initial available elements and compounds afforded by our solar systems birth which again was subject to the available ingredients of the nebula that produced it ..and that too was the product of the unique galaxy it came from ... Prebiotic material's So ,as of yet a undetermined, mixture of various chemical compounds was subject to it's own chemical reactions with each other and physically brought together and kept apart by physical mechanisms and circumstance of its enviroment ...radiation ,gravity water etc...Each vital part of the process in cumulative steps on it's way to become biological...! ,..but because it's a unintentional process and has no pre deterministic abbilty we can view the process from the other end ..from biology to gas,rock,and metal It was not prebiotic material until it became Abiogenesis,Abiogenesis could not be Abiogenesis until it produced biology ... We can can conclude that a despite a goldilocks exoplanet ( earth 2) having the similar prebiotic materials at the right times the physical forces of circumstance of its enviroment are unreatable due to the unique process of it's own solar system . The idea of non biolgical non carbon lifeforms immediately hits the problem of what biolgical trait are we to place on a alternative lifeform that dertmines it to be so without that trait been a product of evolved biology ...Intellgence is often quoted as a trait that would determine or define a lifeform but again intellgence is an evolved biological product ! Why not a beer belly or the ability to take a shit ?..a digestive system is more of a requirement of biology than intellgence is !.The intellgence afforded to humans was reliant on plants evolving into trees as well as other happenings ....our degree of intellgence is not a requirement of biology it's just the same as the Falcons wing or the Hares heart ..they are niched evolved biological traits It is also said that early biology must be easy to make, as it happened relatively fast so its construction must be somewhat basic ...fast from what point ? If we use the formation of earth as the starting point...??What would we define as its formation the next bank holiday after it became ball shaped ??? Why would that be considered as the starting point of the process an important one I agree but not as important as the nebula it came from ..there is nothing basic about the first biology it did all the work it takes more time and consequence for rock,gas,and metal to become a prokaryotic microbe for the evolved prokaryotic to become a giraffe ! The first biology was far from basic in every way its subsequent evolution into various body models is irelvant because the next evolved biolgical model immediately after the prokaryotic organism is as biolgical as a giraffe is biolgical ! A giraffe can be seen to be a over coveluted body model that achives nothing more than a prokaryotic organism achieves ! The process that formed biology can only be a a product of earth its process like any other process in nature when open to circumstantial pressure over time can not produce the ' same ' thing twice not just biology twice but the process of biology twice and if it's not biology it's not life , it's just another unique chemical reaction in a universe where uniqueness is the norm rather than the exception ..are we that arrogant to think anything could resemble been biological without at first been biology.....are we looking for non biolgical flowers or hairy legs or spudders ( cross between a potato and a spider) .. why would a similar prokaryotic organism if found on a distant planet have any predeterminstic intent or physical means to become biologicalistic ???? In shape or action ... Nothing in nature repeats itself to that degree of similarity it can not happen again the same ...the permutation of circumstantial events in time that could not shape chemical compounds into anything resembling biology is un repeatable, we can not use probability without the intersection of intent natural or design of which we see no evidence or reason for ...we are alone 🐌

No they did not ..they dismissed me immediately despite showing there replys to be wrong ...they can not produce an example of nature producing the same phenomena...even conceding that atomic particles can not be identical in nature ..but are still identical ???? rules .....what!!! You must not know more than us .... oryou must not question percived ideas ....? I think you all must be pretty put out that a mon scientist has brought to light something you never thought up yourself .. if nothing in nature can produce the same thing why would extraterrestrial lifeforms be the exception ..... It can only be prebiotic material if that prebiotic material becomes Abiogenesis it's not Abiogenesis unless Abiogenesis produces biology ... the material and causation of prebiotic material can not exsit twice what material is available can not then be the same Abiogenesis that happened here it would produce anything other than what has been produced before....

Seems I have more than you ?

But they never are in those positions in nature ...so they are not identical ....

They are not identical .....despite what YOU say !!!!!! 🤓

Got you ....👍 are the compositions that just have two parts of there compostions are those parts ever identical ..what I have gathered is that two atomic particles can only be identical if there various states are the same at the exact time and this slight difference is what gives the particles there ability to interact and coalesce with each other ....electrons in the same state dont make them identical either as they are travelling or rotating at different speeds which effects them cold iron and liquid iron.. ..they also have different number of electrons ....they also have different masses to each other..so at what point are they identical ....? Can you show two identical number 1s....can you show two identical PZKFW 5 Panther tanks ♡....?

Why just chemical ...? Or is that one of other things you know of ..?

What stops rocks humans rivers and atoms been the same ?

Are the atomic particles of the same element exactly the same ..identical ..

No ..because you haven't given an example water isnt just water ....if you can derive a distinction between the two waters they are not the same ..as I've said two water molecules are just two mountains or two trees ...they can be exact its physical law .. you're not been intellectually honest . It takes a quick look on wikipedia to substantiate this ....