Andrew William Henderson

At what point in time will all the hydrogen atoms be identical ...,?

What's the life process ...?

Are they distinguishable by Inspection....two drops of water are the same as two mountains .. everest and K2 Life = biology if can only be life if its biology ...surley ! What non biolgical traits would you place on a non biological lifeform to define it as life ....a hairy arse 🙂

If nature can produce the same thing twice why would we expect the exsitence of extraterrestrial lifeforms ..if it's not the same prebiotic materials it can not become Abiogenesis and Abiogenesis can only be Abiogenesis if it produces biology ..

Nothing in nature happens the same again ....its basic . They are not my parameters they are natures H20 is not H2o .....is it ! Are they distinguishable I've addressed the questions .. I haven't moved the goalposts ...the point still stands .....I will word it so there is problems with semantics.. Can show an example in nature where a process produces the same thing again ... Same = exact....similar is not exact that's why it has a different name from same ...you can look yourself if you dont believe me but I can assure you there isnt ...there is theorys that explain why this is so ..entropy and the Lorenz effect so with this established scientific fact why would biology happen again ? Happening again is producing the the same thing twice .....

H2o is not H20......is it ? the posts haven't moved your just not hitting the ball Can you distinguish one from another ...????

You sound defeated....your the one claiming nothing of substance ..all your saying is I'm wrong because I am ....with no substance to counter anything I've said it's you that's changing goalposts with irrelevant replys and further questions when I've answered them with the weight of scientific fact ..if you're tired dont reply it is not required you understand

Yeah but it's just a stalagmite as we are just humans but none are the same and they can not exsit again from other means .no two same humans can exsit that's an observed certainty

Copper exsits in the universe but it can not be made from another process .. stalagmites are formed by a lot less causation and the forces that make them are a constant pressure as they still exsit and are been made as we speak ..but you would agree that there is no two exact stalagmites...they dont happen twice ..and falling rocks in a river can not make one ..a stalagmite has only happened as much as a planet or a river or another human..they are just repeated processes of a process that can not happen again and what they do produce is never an exact of the last the current or the next

Yes I did ...that's the essence of the argument ...you can not produce either so it doesn't matter if you dont understand what are the phenomena then ....what have I have said that shows a lack of knowledge about chemistry evoulution or how science establishs current certaintys ....you haven't produced one example of anything happening the same twice or a dissimilar chemical reaction producing another same.. ....its not the goal posts shifting it's just theres two goals you need to get threw at either end of the argument ....and have made no suggestion why or how another chemical reaction has a requirement to resemble life or function that can be construed as life ...anything you place on it would be a biological trait .....like the example of eyes we call them eyes because we assume they are doing the same job ..when in fact they are just seperate evolved organs that exploit deviations of light that help interpretate the enviroment ...a bat uses the the area of the brain we use to taste to interpretate its returning echo location you could say it tastes sound threw its ears ..a octopus eye isnt a human eye or a blue bottles ...eyes (organs ) have happened twice but human or octopus eyes haven't..eyes haven't happened twice ....even the octopus can not produce the exact same eye ..which octopus and which eye would be the comparison.... You believe in the possibilty of extraterrestrial lifeforms when there is very little scientific evidence to its suggestion ...a hypothesis on the exsitence of faireys would hold more scientific basis of there suggested and possible exsitence.. Faireys where actually a small hairless primate that like flying squirrel developed a mebrane of skin that enabled them to glide from tree to tree there rareitey and eventual extinction before early zoology and its path into myth and folklore placed it into the realm of magic .....load of rubbish I KNOW but more scientifically plausible that ETL ...

Of your held beliefs and assumptions ...wheres your science ?

I can well imagine out of solar materials may have contributed to the process or even vital ready made compounds but the hypothesis of biology been seeded smells of intent or a purpose .and it avoids the question of how it formed here and takes it to another place ...its favoured by the exponents if intellgent design and some of its research is linked t ( it is said )to far right christian groups and churches .. not convinced are you ? Whatever a chemical reaction is it can not be prebiotic material until it begins the process of Abiogenesis and that Abiogenesis isn't Abiogenesis until it has produced biology... Biology is life ....another natural system can not replicate the mechanics of that to get even close ..why would it your drawing a mysterious intent on life that you can not put your finger on ..it just seems inconceivable that we( biology) are not that special to not happen again...yeah we are not special but we are totally unique as unique as our solar system ..so to consider the possibilty of extraterrestrial lifeforms seems not only anthropomorphic humanist but also lifecist...life doesn't need to exsit we are the only species of animal that can consider exsitence ... How did it take take less than a billion years ...from when ..??? When it became a globe or as I have said before ..the next bank holiday after the co2 level reach 78.8% ...its process cannot be given a start point other than everything needed to happen first ....the planet forming was a vital part in its process but so where a monstrous number of other vital circumstance even before the birth of our star .... Worms ..... ! all vertebrate and non vertebrate are derived from the basic body model of a worm ...we are just tubes with different evolved bits ..! worms didnt evolve into humans we evolved from them ..there is no human DNA in a worm but there is worm dna in humans.

We call them eyes ...they dont they are seperate evolved organs that help interporate reality using light sensitive cells biology already had the material to make eyes ...the comparison of eyes is the same as legs or hair they are not the same again ...a monkey with a human eye would be

Prove it then ..or at least give an example.....we have done atomic particles and compounds electrons and nuclei...rivers ..suns ..ecosystems .....none the same never been produced twice despite been logically easy than gas rock and metal into the first biology

It's easy....why would we expect life to happen on another planet again ..when nothing else in nature is observed to ...become twice ...happen again ...appear the same from different chemicals and causations ...its not hog wash it's a diamond bullet of reality to the forehead you can not answer it despite your training....not once have you asked how I draw my conclusions but just threw the same answered questions back at me ...or another question because you couldn't dismiss my point and if you seriously believe the possibilty of extraterrestrial life your going to need more than the hog wash of probability and possibilty .... Yes it has from the start ....?

I'm trying to answer as fast as I can ..but I have to repeat my argument to multiple replys ..it may not be mainstream but you know its built on stronger scientific hypothesis than your current understanding ..which I guess is why I'm experiencing hostility as well as a unusual amount of interest than some of the moderators posts nothing in what I claim can not be backed up by scientific fact ...besides I have answered every question I have relied too ..its just not the answer they want ....🦖 Yeah I do ....? There outcomes differ because there process can not be identical or the product that began its process...if nothing covers a wide range give an example of a dissimilar natural process producing something the same ..it should be easy !

Where do I get it from ....??? Okay name one then where is copper 2 or hippopotamus2 . Mars 2 sun2 precipitation 2 pangea 2 gold 2 our solar system 2 ...sulphuricacid2 ....however biology 2 is piece of cake ...I ask you ..name one process in nature that produces the same thing twice ...zilch ...zero..nowt but a 12 billion year old process will be the first !!!! your having a laugh ...

You dont understand entropy...or you assume prebiotic chemicals and materials just appeared from thin air ... your deliberately ignoring the unique physical mechanics that placed the chemicals together the quantity of available materials ..... these are unreatable due to the fluidity or stability of the enviroment and time ...if other chemical reactions can form life where is it then ...as I said earlier the chemical reactions of Jupiter's atmosphere could be considered biology in that case or do we need to stick a leg on it first ...

What other definition could we use ....for life other than a biology despite philosophical ideas ..biology/ life I believe is a totally unique product of its unique exsitence in a universe where uniqueness is the norm .. what intent are you placing on another uniqueness to resemble life ....why would it do it how could it do it ...why would it want to do it what's so special about life??? it doesn't do much it's more dynamic than silica but wont last as long ... life isnt special as it's only as unique as jupiter but less likley ....well to us humans it is ! How....?

No ...simply it needs to be biology or it's not life ...besides the first biology didnt use DNA or RNA it too was a biological product ..what biological trait would you expect a non biolgical lifeform to have to consider it life ? ..curly hair or a self replicating gene

No it's not it has 12 billion years of causation to get threw before it gets to anything resembling pre biotic materials ....they are all there in your garden now ...what's not is repeatable physical enviroments at particular sequential times in its entropy...are you suggesting a chemical intent to become prebiotic material that intends to become dynamic chemical reaction ...that looks lifelike ?

It's not personal ignorance...its based on scientific fact and reasoning .....lesser complex reactions are not observed to produce the same thing twice ...so how could a dissimilar but logically more complex of a reaction produce life twice ..... The same forces that stop you happening twice are the same forces that don't allow another sun the same as ours ...its why mars doesn't look like earth ..you dont look me ...or a giraffe (I hope 🙂) the planet 567000D can not produce life nor another Mount Everest.... I'm not dealing in numbers of chances or probability if I did I'm sure the number of events that took biology to form gas metal and rock is more than all the stars ....easy !

Only as much as your assertion it was easy ...what from gas metal and rock ..we can make valid observations and make comparable... what did it take for worms to evolve into humans to what it took for universal elements to produce biology The first biology did all the work it didnt happen fast ...what point of its process was the start ..the first bank holiday after co2 was 88.9 %...??? Its process must start in the formation of our galaxy if not the cosmic start .. its process remains unknown but what we do know by logical deduction that those happenings where more than a dozen .. Yeah but nature hasn't the same control of heat or ingredients....its like developing amino acids in a lab with hindsight of what they are made of and how they may be constructed ....nature did it once but time and circumstance dont allow it second time ...besides the point is about disimilar complex processes producing the same thing twice . .if we dont see a Tin2 happening again why would biolgy 2 happen ? Why would that be a requirement....biology only needs to do that mostly when its evolved for 3.5 billion years ...you have to be biology to do most of those biolgical things you mentioned .......the first ever biology was as much as biolgy as a goat is ...are you suggesting that what ever chemical reaction there is a chemical intent to become life ? Are we likely to find exteratestial lifeforms with beer bellys ... or big noses

Well if it's not biolgy it's not biolgy it would just be something else...that assertion would allow you to claim any old chemical reaction life ....if it's not biology it's not life..you can not place biolgical traits on to a exterestial chemical reaction ...the trait of intellgence is often quoted which is a niche piece of biolgical evolution why not a digestive system or kidney....or giant goggely eyes on a green head It's not the same water as you couldn't have had the same heat or oxygen ...nice try ...sorry I took a while answering 👍🌍

It's not big enough ..if Abiogenesis produces biology on another planet it would be the first time two dissimilar chemical and physical reactions have made the the same thing twice ...how many singular events did it take to process gas metal and rock into a giraffe against the amounts of singular events it took to form a worm into a giraffe .... how many ..????