Peterkin

It gets even darker, meaner and uglier. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/salvadoran-women-jailed-decades-miscarriages-stillbirths-warn-us-abort-rcna33035 And, guess what! Rich women will still be able check into a private clinic in any state they want, or Europe and not suffer any consequences from their little indiscretions. And the bottom will fall out of the market for newborns, so all the poor women will be stuck with the extra babies, and The Holy Economy can't possibly support all those sponging unwed mothers, so they'll be forced on work-fare, and all the pediatric, school and family social programs will have to be cut. No prizes for guessing what colour a disproportionate number of those who 'fell through the cracks' will be. ...or what will happen to the minimum wage and migrant workers when thousands of workfare slaves take over the lowest levels of employment. Oh yes, tFoE have won a major offensive. (the forces of evil)

They didn't. The woman's original sin (i.e. being sexually active, with or without her consent) caused them - and those unbaptized babies ain't gettin into my heaven, neither! See, it's all right (Thump) here (Thump!) in (Thump!!) this (THUMP) Slogan.

God, apparently, loves guns and unborn humans. What He's not so crazy about are women and children. Among other calamities, yes.

And then, when you do bring out the bicycle, you find that the latest fossil-funded conservative party has turned all the bike lanes over to car parking and cut funding to urban mass transport ... and then you look up at some jet fighter that cost you and your fellow taxpayers $70,000,000 and burns more fuel on takeoff than your entire town can drive in a year, and you get very, very discouraged.

When we're talking about nations, it's not so simple as per capita emissions; there is also government and corporate policy to factor in. The US and Canada both subsidize fossil fuel extraction and production. https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trillion-in-subsidies-in-2020-report-finds https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/fossil-fuel-subsidies-expaliner-1.6371411 The very big players at the top of the profit-chain pay little or no tax. The rest of us, who foot the bill for the subsidies, then get hosed at the pump, plus sales tax and pollution tax, are penalized all down the line. Yes, and also "We have to save The Economy!" and "We can't afford tax exemptions or subsidies for retrofitting, alternative energy or electric cars." (but we - and by this I mean many successive administrations of different parties - can afford to pay out the subsidies and bankroll the pipelines. ) It's not about the flow of CO2; it's about the flow of $$.

All of that. Plus fire. All the same, I imagine they did lose some children to the odd leopard and various other predators - that's just life in the wild. We lose some to cars, guns, swimming pools and human predation - that's just life in modern civilization. There is certainly a similarity in the relationship of mothers and infants. Lemurs, monkeys and apes all carry their nursing young, either on their back or slung across the front, where it can get at the nipple. A quite sensible arrangement, as it keeps the infant safe, not only from predators but also older siblings and incidental damage, while reassuring the mother and baby, building trust and a sense of emotional security in the child. This matters greatly to a social animal whose success in life will always depend on its ability to form emotional connections with other members of its species. This is why children who are neglected in infancy have such difficulty learning or socializing as they grow.

So would the local humans, who didn't spend all their time clustered together, because their dietary requirements and poor climbing skills, forced them to hunt and forage a large surface territory and spread out more. But maybe the leopards also stayed away from humans, because they made the connection between chimpanzees and other great apes.... Maybe the hyenas and pythons, jackals and wolverines were less intelligent. Plus, you can't even trust chimpanzees to resist the temptation of easy protein - they don't know we're related. For whatever reason, indigenous the mothers rarely put their babies down, and then not out of sight.

Or eat it. We were no more alone in the world than gorillas during our pre-civilized development. Predators have better hearing than humans; the leopard will be alerted to a baby's cries sooner and from farther away than the villagers. People in that situation didn't go around mislaying their babies - unless deliberately, because they were surplus or defective - the mother had it tied to her body even while foraging and cooking. In some societies, they still do. I suspect those babies are much quieter than their modern counterparts, for the same reason other animals' young are: for concealment. Infants are adaptable; they conform to their circumstances. Anecdote: A long time ago, there was a young deaf couple among our acquaintance. They had a baby which turned out to have normal hearing. That baby learned, very early on, not to vocalize its distress signals. It went through all the motions and gestures of crying, red in the face, wide open mouth, clenched fists - but very little sound. Their service dog could hear it from anywhere in the house. She doted on that baby. (Perhaps not so oddly, I can't recall the baby's sex or what it looked like - but I really liked that chunky yellow Lab.)

We don't often hear some animals, because our habitation doesn't overlap enough. Some, we don't know how loud they can be, because they're quiet when we're near them, usually out of fear. Domestic animals, we tend to be familiar both with their indoor and outdoor voices. And we don't hear some animals, because, like fawns and quail, they're trained to hiding. Their loud noises are the infrequent ones, when an animal is in distress - it's an emergency; nothing to lose by broadcasting their whereabouts. For human babies, it's always and emergency.

Seals and fawns sound pretty similar to me, as well: a high-pitched cry. Would a deer come to a baby raccoon? They chirp, more like birds. And, just to complicate matters, some birds sound like humans or seals.

They can be loud when distressed, but it's not like a human baby's crying. One reason is, the mother gorilla, like other apes and monkeys*, normally carries her baby, taking care of its needs before the baby has anything to cry about. (*They pretty much have to: What do you think would happen if a baby gorilla were left alone?) And that's also one reason human babies cry loudly : to summon their mother when they can't feel her presence. Of course, they also cry if they're afraid, hungry or in pain, since crying is the only vocalization available to them. Baby elephants and donkeys can make very loud noises, but it's not crying. I have never heard an ostrich hatchling, but I imagine it makes a sound like other birds, a vague cheeping that has not yet acquired their species' characteristic vocabulary of sounds. Adult ostriches can be very loud indeed.

That's why I (and the research I cited) restricted the question to saunas. There is benefit to be had from the heat itself, notably, blood vessel dilation, which does aid in the transport of chemicals, good and bad, to their desired destinations. A side benefit of living in a clean environment, rather than an urban center, is the quality of water. While I have lots of calcium in my well-water, there is no chlorine or fluorine, lead or whatever else old city pipes may contain. However, I am at risk to bacteria and pesticide that may leach into the ground-water, so I have to have it tested every year. Not all rural communities have access to safe water supply, as nearby industry, mining, forestry, factory farming and other commercial activity can devastate an entire water-table. I didn't know that one.

Yes, there is a genetic factor, which helps to account for clusters of long-lived people in (relatively) isolated communities. And, yes, rich people statistically live longer than poor people, because they eat well, have access to medicine and don't expose themselves to the daily hazards of poverty. I wasn't trying to give the poster a guarantee; just a general outline of what the clusters of very old people tend to have in common. Also a diet consisting largely of vegetables and little or no access to the social toxins, like alcohol, cigarettes*, white sugar and processed foods . (*Civilized cigarettes are far and away more toxic than plain tobacco or cannabis stuffed in a pipe.) Anyway, while there are plenty of harmful chemicals and particulates in the modern urban - and more frequently, work-place - environment, most of those pollutants are not classified as poisons. They may be carcinogens, but we have modern medicine to rescue us from much of their effect, so we can live longer, if not always better. There are foods and food additives that are harmful but not directly toxic: they'll just make us obese, diabetic and ischemic. There are radiations and medications and fuels and garden sprays and microplastics https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/from-fish-to-humans-a-microplastic-invasion-may-be-taking-a-toll/? the long-terms effects of which are not sufficiently known. You can survive (technically, that counts as living) a long time with chronic ailments that can't be cured but can be managed with medical treatment. And you cannot sweat any of them out. They're either neutralized and expelled by the kidneys, or stored and sequestered in the liver, until it can't cope anymore https://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/toxic-liver-disease .

120 is not unknown, and in pretty good health. https://goop.com/ca-en/wellness/health/the-geographic-areas-where-people-live-the-longest-and-clues-as-to-why/ If you live in a clean place, work hard, never get rich enough to realize you're poor, have good friends and community, help others and laugh frequently, you'll live longer. (barring war, flood, lightning, earthquake, rattlesnakes, famine, plague or a careless misstep on a ladder...) 150 is unlikely, without artificial enhancements. It's not what builds up in your body that kills you - it's what breaks down.

Been there, done that, have the scars to prove it. We can't do a damn thing about it without changing our lifestyle, economy, social organization and many of our assumptions about how we need to/ought to live. What I did about it was move out of the city at a greatly reduced material standard of living and greatly improved quality of life. Neh... it's something we should have started worrying about (a few people did, actually) about 300 years ago. Too late to worry now: it's done.

There are lots of poisons for which no living organism has a defense system. In most cases, it's not so much a matter of evolution not having prepared us for it as a basic chemical incompatibility between the processes that support life and processes that suppress it, e.g. methane gas displacing the oxygen required to carry on life functions.

If those advertised 'toxins' were really building up in our bodies all the time, we'd all be dead by age 40. In fact, humans' environment is very often loaded with toxins, and we do die of them over shorter or longer periods. Sweating - which their daily work induces in plenty - doesn't save coal miners from carbon monoxide or farmers from glycophosphate. However, poisons like alcohol are removed of neutralized more quickly by the body's natural defenses in the presence of heat of which sweating is also a byproduct. It's easy to see why the association of sweating and feeling better could be presented as a cause-effect relationship, rather than both being effects of the same cause.

There is a slight difference between responsibility and blame. There is plenty of blame to go several times around the industrial world (just follow the thousands and thousands of shipping containers and plastic waste in the oceans) but nowhere near enough responsibility being taken. Showing where it comes from at least closes down arguments over who needs to clean up their act. With a high standard of living comes an unequal proportion of the contribution to the problem, which then affects the people of the world in inverse proportion to the cause. Blame, just or unjust, is ineffective.

[that a god big enough to capitalize "god" for once showed itself and no longer does] It would be interesting to see what they came up with. Though I would much prefer that the poster who made the claim backed it up.

I drew no conclusion as to what protests should be allowed or disallowed. I simply asked whether you wish to make a factual comparison between the two protests you equated; one of which you characterized as 'polite'. I did, in fact. "To speak their opinion" is one category of freedom of speech that has been in question. All the kluxers, bigots, anti-vaxers, Western separatists, kooks, psychobabblers, creationists, freaks, nazis and morons have been allowed to say whatever they please in public - short of inciting to violence - equal to the science experts, sages, pundits and jurists. But only the former groups keeps griping - loudly, in print and broadcast media -about being suppressed. In a progressive society, the opinion of people who actually know something would carry more weight than the idjits', but that is not so in our present society. To that extent, we have a good deal of progress yet to make. "and protest" covers a lot more, and quite different territory. Without regard to their purpose, I approve of some forms of protest, have taken part is some, condone or tolerate some - disdain, disapprove of and utterly condemn some forms. So, when it comes to a right to protest, I'd need more specifics. Yes, a progressive society would ideally grant equal rights of protest to all opinions, within the same framework of acceptable behaviour. The time, place, duration form of the protest would determine the official response - if any is required. Of course, in that same progressive society, legitimate grievances would be addressed through legal channels in a timely manner, before protest becomes the only way to resolve the issue. And, obviously, the group with the grievance would be civilized enough to direct its protest against the bodies or agencies that occasioned such grievance, rather than violate the rights of uninvolved third parties.

What do you mean "are calculated"? By whom? Lots of agencies, organizations, research groups and individuals collect and compile lots of data. Each set of calculations may be based on different criteria, for (presumably) different purposes. Locating sources of emission is important to any efforts at amelioration of the problem.

Maybe so. Shall we compare causes, histories, justifications and methods?

Some theorize that a god big enough for its own capital on a common noun once existed and at sometime stopped showing itself? Who theorizes that? So then, the fact that we can make flying machines out of steel proves that iron is capable of flight? We don't. We notice that a process is taking place. We attempt to trace it back through one or more causal chains as far as possible, predict its effects, explain how it works and experiment with how we can manipulate it to work for us. Each time we know a little more about the process and how it works, we can trace it a little farther back, predict a little more accurately what will happen next, and influence it to our benefit. In fact, every process is part of a longer, more complex process that we are trying to understand. Nope.

Indirectly. The smoke isn't necessarily confined to the air over Canada, but the resulting deforestation (that plus logging) is confined to Canada, where the dead trees are no longer cleaning the air. That also applies to the US (Russia, Spain, etc) but in Canada, the residual CO2 is shared by fewer people. The bulk of the non-combustion contribution, however, comes from permafrost thawing, which I neglected to mention earlier. Good thing this not a question of blame, since the whole industrial world contributed to the global warming - a few nations more than many others; several nations more than Canada - but the effect is concentrated in Canadian and Russian lands.

It's true that Canadians own fewer cars than Americans, but we maintain a generally high standard of living - i.e. a smaller percent of the population below the poverty line (according to each country's own definition of the poverty line) We drive everywhere, all the time - probably farther, what with road-trips, family cottages and far-flung relations. We also do a huge amount of trucking, both raw materials and finished products, over great distances. All of those natural resources have to be extracted with the use of immense machinery, all burning diesel. In summer, we zoom speed-boats over every waterway; in winter we roar with snowmobiles. We heat tiki-taki houses with propane and still generate half of our electricity with gas, oil and coal. Those numbers are decreasing, however (as long as conservative governments don't halt and reverse the program), so the stats in that chart may already be out of date. Forest fires. Still combustion, just not engines. Also the resulting deforestation (lack of trees to capture CO2), cement production, and garbage dumps. And now, everything's been said twice. If that's not convincing, what is? Who said anything about blame? It's a chart. Numbers don't judge; they merely report.