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Nobody is going to solve the recreational drug problem. People use them for different reasons: religious ecstasy, introspection, sexual pleasure, conviviality and escape. It only the last category that renders these substances (I exclude narcotics, the concentrated opioids and barbiturates) dangerous is that people don't just desire escape - they crave it and need it. Some form of pain is making their life difficult to bear in sobriety. The more kind of pain we could eliminate from people's lives - prevent, rather than treat - the fewer would seek oblivion or fantasy, and end up in addiction. As long as people have crappy lives, they'll do whatever they can to leave those crappy lives - for an hour or eternity. Education is a good start; life-long health care is a prerequisite; social and economic environment are major factors.
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That law, itself, should be subject to review, shouldn't it? Post-abolition, is it constitutional for a state to prohibit freedom of movement?
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They've been working on this a long time. They finally succeeded. Another step forward to the past. Wouldn't it be nice to see this one backfire?
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different governments have tried to ban alcohol, as well as other recreational drugs. Whatever the reasons given, there are underlying motives for such bans - mainly religious ones. These substances reduce inhibition. Civil obedience as well as moral righteousness rely heavily on suppression of 'base' or 'animal' impulses. Hedonism, loquacity, veracity, disrespect for authority - these are all threats to the social order. In societies with a very tight organization, conformity, demanding hierarchy, repression and exploitation, there is an inevitably high level of stress and frustration - the very factors most likely to drive people to drink and drugs. And since the lowest classes have the most stress and access to the poorest quality of escape chemicals, they tend also to have the highest rate of addiction and concomitant criminal behaviour. Since those governments are the least inclined to change the circumstances of their citizenry, they are the most likely to turn the law against the substances and people who use the substances. But since rich and influential people can always circumnavigate the law and find access to whatever they want, the lawmakers themselves are not inconvenienced: they can wage an endless 'war on drugs' from underneath their parasols atop the battlements (figuratively). Alcohol, othoh, if far too easy to make, and some of the home-made versions are lethal. https://earthsky.org/human-world/strange-brew-how-poorly-crafted-booze-can-make-you-sick-or-dead/ So, while the upper classes' refusal to abide by prohibition gave rise to a whole new system of organized crime to supply them with high quality booze, the working class had to make do with moonshine or similar, resulting in much loss of labour in the factories. The whole exercise proved unconscionably expensive and futile. At the time of repeal, and even when Nixon declared war on the disaffected voter blocs [marijuana] https://www.vera.org/news/fifty-years-ago-today-president-nixon-declared-the-war-on-drugs it was not so easy to make other mind-altering substances in one's kitchen. Whatever the law, the patterns of use, effect and enforcement remain pretty constant. But at least there is some tax revenue from alcohol to pay for it.
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We did. In one form, anyway. There were artists before us. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/150610-animals-camouflage-decoration-bugs-science It's possible to reject art and artifice. You can even beat the creative impulse out of children. But humans do naturally have it, in some form and degree, and do crave both outward expression of our own perceptions and connection with others and the world through imagery. You can see it on every stone surface of places people have occupied since forever: scratching, painting, carving, building their mark on all their surroundings. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ancient-australian-aboriginal-art-unlike-anything-seen-180975984/
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That looks like a vaguely pornographic cat-toy. (Yes, dear, horizontal stripes do make you look fat.) I would not sit in it, because there is no way in hell I could stand back up. It's a thing, it's functional, it's artistic and it's entertaining. It's probably also ridiculously expensive - but that's the effect, not of art but of fashion. Not every artist had his subtlety. It may come as no great shock that I'm more partial to Magritte.
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Nothing creepy about that. Dogs like pack activities. When I lived in Vancouver, I used to frequent one of those little corner stores in a residential area. It was about five blocks from my flat and by the time I got there, I had a retinue of six or seven neighbourhood dogs. By the time I got home again, they'd all gone about their own canine business. There was nothing about me particularly to attract them - if I smelled of anything, it was ashtrays, not fish - except that I was going for a walk. When thinking about unexplained mental abilities, I think it's crucial to separate it from external 'paranormal phenomena'. That is, ESP of some form can be investigated as a processes entirely contained within the human subject. All we need to assume is that the human subject has a functional brain about which we do not yet know everything. Any investigation that's predicated on the existence of ghosts, spirits, haunts, banshees or whatever is a whole other matter. For that you have to make a very different set of assumptions. To lump the two together is to render both kind of investigation meaningless.
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That's exactly the kind of thing the Arts and Crafts movement was about. And that's why I don't hold with capitalizing non-functional fine art and sequestering it for exclusive domain of the wealthy collector or public museum. Artistry can show up anywhere, in any form - and it's not all good. Bad art usually doesn't survive a brief fad; good art is preserved by the people it's handed down to - whether it's in the form a religious fresco, a copper necklace or an olive oil jar. I suppose that's the "verdict of society" - the longevity of an item.
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I don't see an opposition. Some people put the capital for emphasis, because they think fine arts are more significant than crafts; some do it as mere affectation, or they think they're supposed to. It's completely unnecessary. There is no verdict from "society". There are only people who like things, hate things, are shocked by things, are transported and inspired by things, talk about things and criticize things. Art survives and performs a service as long as people are interested in it. is that in any way relevant to Picasso, Beethoven and Rodin?
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I don't know the limits of possibility. Seems like, most or all of the paranormal claims are bogus or deluded. And yet, shit still happens that we're not sure why... so I keep my mind open. Not wide open so anyone can walk in, just a little ajar, in case something unexpected and wonderful comes knocking.
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pretty cool pictures! I like the fire-face; reminds me of something from Babylon 5.
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It's any original human-made thing that is intended, not to serve a practical function, but to engage an audience is sensory, emotional and imaginative dialogue with the artist, and thereby alter their view of the world.
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Unusual has quite a lot to do with it. If a mutation turns up all the time, it's unremarkable, just part of the standard. If it turns up rarely, it can be fatal, detrimental, neutral or beneficial to the user - and which of those it is will determine whether it's noticed, how it's regarded, and the probability of its being passed on. If it turns up rarely, it also has much longer odds of spreading in the predominantly standard population - especially if the gene is recessive. Yes. And I'm questioning the assumption. Again, I ask you: Why? If the visions or whatever have no practical application, how do they enhance the person's chances of reproducing? And even if such a marginal ability provided the bearer with a small advantage in gambling, for example, it's as likely that they would be denounced for cheating as applauded for winning. In whatever area, there is nothing but speculation regarding the reproductive advantage or disadvantage of some form and degree of ESP. It could be argued, too, that nobody wants a mate who can read their mind - it happens anyway, over the years, but few young people want to be transparent during courtship. Nor do chiefs, kings and high priests, so the little boy who can see them naked isn't likely to grow up at all. Ambidexterity, otoh, is a clear and practical advantage, and still hasn't spread widely.
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I'm aware of that argument, but don't find it entirely convincing. Why is it assumed that an unusual ability would spread among the population. I can think of several reason why it might remain relatively rare - association with detrimental genes, limited applicability, intermittent and uncontrollable, too weak for practical purposes - and maybe add social factors: conflict with prevailing supernatural belief, perception as a threat by others, nonconforming. One would think ambidexterity is so advantageous, all the world should have it by now, yet it's restricted to 1% of the population. Not quite the same: for feeling that a relative has died, we posit that an existing relative was alive. For sensing a ghost, we have to posit the existence of ghosts. But why suppose that they do? How does hearing voices in her head help a child reach reproductive age? How would feeling another person's pain help a boy with the desire to reproduce himself on the body of a girl he loves? Some anomalies make their bearers less successful at proliferating. The doesn't prove they don't exist and doesn't guarantee that they'll be bred out - not until the human population is drastically reduced, anyway. Whatever forms of as-yet-unknown extra functions a brain may perform, if the CIA is interested, it's potentially harmful; if not, it's probably unimportant.
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So, the only answer to the title question is: Yes. Doesn't seem the cover the topic as represented by the other questions I attempted to answer. Not much room for discussion.
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No. You are not. I know. Yes, they require more than a yardstick and a rigid set of inter-pluggable definitions.- 152 replies
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It's always a good idea to observe and experiment - where possible and safe to do so. Sometimes spooky things are ordinary things. But it is by far better to discover it for yourself, rather than to be told. Often, adults give facile explanations (weather balloon explanations) too early, before their child is ready to lose faith in them. dependent children must believe in their parents without proof - because sometimes the proof (yes, gas does explode) is too late to be do any good, and sometimes it's misconstrued by uninformed minds. If an adult said: it's only branch tapping on your window and there is no tree outside your bedroom, you know the adult is lying. At ten, it's just part of the process of disillusionment and independence; at four, it could set up a cycle of nightmares and interrupted sleep. So, if a child complains of spooky goings-on, it's better to conduct a real investigation, rather than perfunctory glance around, and "It was just the house settling. Go to sleep." (He can't, now. The house can't trusted!) I've had noise in my ears for years, from chemotherapy. I refer to it as the crickets, but if I listen, especially late in the day, when I'm tired, it can be anything from five-alarm fire to the Vienna boys' choir. Sometimes I can direct a little, like lucid dreaming. But I can tell when a noise is not part of my internal orchestra. Not for want to trying! So far, the attempts have pretty much a foundered. It's possible the approach is wrong, as we have discovered with some physical phenomena. I don't see telekinesis as a contender - the energy requirement is prohibitive. Some form of ESP, why not? I find it hard to imagine an entire galaxy of this size containing one intelligent life form. Odds would seem me to favour none or many. If any of them are aware of us (I count it possible, unlikely) I don't think they have made any approach. The alien contacts people claim seem to me implausible, given the necessary qualifications. kind of like God: if he's like this, why would he do that? Unfortunately, in this case, the distances are prohibitive.
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Biological replication of DNA is properly reproduction, yes. But I didn't restrict my comments to that function, since humans are not driven solely by biology. The need to raise only a biological child is not the standard in humans, many of whom are both more intelligent and more social than male lions (lionesses are far more affectionate and tolerant). It's not uncommon for humans to take responsibility and feel love for offspring other than their own, unrelated by blood or even ethnicity. Indeed, it's not all that uncommon for females of several other species to adopt orphaned young, of their own or another species. Less common for males to be nurturing, but socialized domestic animals sometimes are, and not only toward their own genetic offspring.
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I'm often surprised at how much one can learn about oneself from belligerent, semi-coherent zealots. -
Need, no. Urge, yes. But it is by no means universal, nor its intensity evenly distributed. Some people are desperate for a child or children of their own (which is biological offspring, and for many women, this includes the whole gestation and birthing process; for many men, the absolute assurance that they alone could have contributed the sperm) Personally - and this is a subjective opinion - I think this is more a psychological drive than a biological one. Some people are nurturing by temperament and thrive on parenthood, but don't mind whose DNA went into the product. Some people [like me] are allergic to infants but quite like children. Some want children and discover too late that they hate parenthood; some don't want children, but when presented with one, find themselves falling in love. Society is always a factor in influencing our assumptions and attitudes. Our society conditions our responses, shapes our desires, values and expectations. It also imposes rules and placements: allows and provides a defined range of options; individual choice is limited to those. Internal influences would include many factors from physiology and hormones, through instincts, sentiments and pragmatism to tax calculations. All of those play a part. I think you may have placed the question in too large a frame. If you narrowed the terms of inquiry, you might get more meaningful answers.
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Those are your problems, not God's. Yeah, as to that - I'm not opening it. Get Mikey. The gods various people believe in all have different attitudes and desires. None of them, or their gods, care what you believe. Ultimately, the universe is just one more member of the audience that doesn't care what you believe.
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Why? I never claimed that any society had no members who did bad things, and things that their society considered wrong, of who did not adjust well to some aspect or demand of their society. But if their own society does not consider that a single forbidden act turns a person into something other than himself, I respect that. I am not 'playing' with words. I take their precision, meaning and significance very seriously. You say so. Not everyone agrees. Why they disagree is psychological, sociological, anthropological and philosophical.