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So he did, my bad. Thanks for the screen grab.

ok, fair enough, thanks for the quick reply! What did you mean by "colour changes"?

Hi all, The other day I was thinking about the electromagnetic spectrum and Nikola Tesla's famous quote.... "If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” If light is a wave, but has a particle that we perceive as 'physical', a photon, and gravity is a wave with a hypothetical graviton (yet to be found), might it be possible that all particles are actually the 'physical' representations of different frequencies of the EM spectrum? Looking at the EM spectrum, with shorter wavelengths (and higher frequencies), the smaller the 'items' seem to be, so if we go further to the right with ultra short wavelengths and very high frequencies, do we get the 'physical' particles we observe as quarks, muons, charms, electrons and the other (currently understood) fundamental particles? How might we test this hypothesis? Cheers! EM spectrum Image I was looking at is linked below (it won't allow me to attach any more pictures for some reason) https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AEM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg&psig=AOvVaw3cD_g3zE8cBH6krutKyLSR&ust=1646315827797000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCJC2rMPKp_YCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Reply from the Ironbridge demolition company.... " I’ve been sent the email you sent our enquiries address, regarding the object falling onto your drive on the evening of 17th July. Whilst I’ll raise this issue with the demolition team at the Ironbridge power station, as far as I’m aware no works were being undertaken on this date which could have been responsible for the debris, indeed all works cease by 13.00 on a Saturday. Hope you mange to solve this mystery. Regards,"

It looks the Iron Bridge power plant is / was being demolished around that time (and still) so I've asked the company running it if anything happened on the 17th July 2020. As another angle, does anyone know how I could get the material radio carbon dated? I've tried a few private labs and they say they only take work from recognised institutions....

Wow, I'll be checking for power plant chimneys in / near the corridor definitely!

Your comment on the carbon burn up is reflected elsewhere also (Treasurenet post). From the video and taking some measurements outside, I estimate the fireball object object (term used in the very literal sense!) was travelling ~8 mph by the time it was in our frame. That's also corroborated by the timestamp on the other CCTV footage which was 0.1 miles away assuming both our timestamps are/were set from the internet (22:09:52 & 22:10:35). Something from an industrial accident I'd consider and did a search, but as mentioned, companies may not report them, or at least it may not make the news / be available online. I don't live 'near' anything that industrial, but Birmingham is very industrial - without giving away too much about where I live, the attached image would be my estimated 'corridor'. I'll scour the maps and do some research! https://i.imgur.com/JmWyib0.jpg Do you have a link to a video?

Before the petrographic analysis I approached an author of a paper on volcanic bombs and they confirmed 2 things at least: The material is compositionally different to volcanic material and certainly different to anything from Iceland. A piece weighing several 100 grams wouldn't travel that far. I also approached many academics from various fields, with little interest, most either didn't reply, or pointed me to the NHM London, who appear to be a sort of 'gatekeeper'. I suspect with the petrographic report, the response would be even more tepid, and that's why I asked them for the prefacing email, imaged in the linked post. No worries, I'm happy to share it all and answer any questions. Yes for sure I know it did - the answer is probably best served by looking at some reports I've put together over the last year or so (linked on dropbox, you might need to copy and paste them into the address bar it did not work in preview mode for some reason): Fragment #1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sgdo7j02n4gonqw/Birmingham Fireball and Assumed Meteorite Fragments - Phase 1.pdf?dl=0 Other Fragments: https://www.dropbox.com/s/070n54kopcg0beg/Birmingham%20Fireball%20and%20Assumed%20Meteorite%20Fragments%20-%20Phase%202.pdf?dl=0 Density and relative magnetic attraction study: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gvt1jdvg0207bdi/Birmingham Fireball and Assumed Meteorite Fragments - Density and relative magnetic attraction study.pdf?dl=04 Bulk composition: https://www.dropbox.com/s/45uoj0zvify7nwu/Birmingham Fireball and Assume Meteorite - Bulk Compositional Analysis.pdf?dl=0

All suggestions welcome! The petrographic report was for the material only, I didn't mention about the biological structures until after when I had a video call to discuss the results - from experience it's better not to mention until after, if at all. The SEM images of the biological structures were taken at MRI Colombo (Sri Lanka), in Nov 2020, as I sent 2 fragments to the same team that did the initial work up on the Polonnaruwa stones that fell in Dec 2012. Sadly he was only able to get a few SEM images from fresh fracture faces, most of which are included in this forum already, before he was moved to head up the Covid testing lab as it hit hard and continues to. His initial reaction was that what we were seeing looked similar. That said, after analysis, the Polonnaruwa material has many characteristics akin to known meteorites, but mine does not appear to. I have seen various biological structures (diatoms, and filamentous etc) on fresh fractures under an optical microscope too. One fragment fell on a concrete drive (clean, i.e. not cover in moss etc) and was collected the next morning, not exposed to rain or moisture as it was dry and warm all evening - this is one of the two I sent to Sri Lanka for the study of the structures inside. (Fragment #1 image OP). The others were found resting on the top soil in the garden aligned to where they fell, so they had soil on the surface but I cleaned them up. Fragment #14 was the other of the two I sent to Sri Lanka: F #14 (hosted on imgur)

Sadly the Natural History Museam (London) were not able to further this investigation, so it has stalled and I think it's as far as I can take it. I'd like to preface my reasoning for pursuing it even this far, with a series of logical statements: - did the material fall from the sky = YES - is it unusual and have strange surface features = YES - did it fall at the start the Perseids shower (caused by the debris field of comet Swift-Tuttle) = YES - are there any confirmed cometary meteorites in the collections = NO - does the material contain microbiology = YES apparently undamaged diatoms and other structures are embedded deep inside the fragments and within the material matrix - has this happened before = YES, reference Polonnaruwa stones 2012 (though these findings are not universally accepted) The investigations to date (SEM, EDX, EDX & XRPD, EDX & petrographic) were not able identify characteristics akin to existing meteorites, nor any of the expected characteristics of meteoritic materials, but it still remains unidentified. I have not been able to confirm the age or origin of the material by analysis such as Triple Oxygen Isotope, Cosmic Ray Exposure (as these are highly specialized), or even if it has a 'terrestrial' age by carbon dating. The prevailing theme is that that the material is anthropogenic, and possibly the remnents of an artificial satellite that have fallen back to earth. That might explain the: - observable differences between adjoining fragments (perhaps different components?) - some of the odd biological looking structures found on the outside (perhaps something collected from the atmosphere?) However that does not answer anything relating to the intact biologicial structures found inside the material. The anonymized petrographic report is uploaded in post #16 here: Treasurenet Forum Post, because there is no capacity to add more files to this post. To be clear, I'm not claiming that this material is one thing or another, instead putting it, and what I have found, out there for posterity and open discussion.

Thanks for the suggestion and paper. Iain pointed me to the NHM.

We had both bay windows open in the bedroom and just after we'd gone to bed we heard an odd moderately loud noise that lasted 3-4s and had pronounced Doppler shift. It was a warbling whine with an underlying hum, like machinery or electricity discharging rapidly. We could tell it was in the air rather than on the road outside. In the morning I checked the CCTV, sadly it doesn't record sound, and found the footage posted above, albeit at full speed. In it I saw a piece bounce off the house so opened the front door a small brown black piece of unusual rock, roughly 12mm across was just sitting there on the drive. It had a pungent burnt smell. Looking at the footage I followed it's path back and found the witness mark on the wall where it had ricocheted off the house. Initially I'd assumed the fireball was travelling left --> right parallel to the road so only checked people's CCTV along the street (which is pretty straight anyway) and only found the one other footage. At the time I'd not appreciated we were seeing a reflection of the fireball on the house and trees in their footage. It wasn't until 6 or 7 weeks later my friend analysed our footage frame-by-frame and created the above composit (see OP) that shows the object breaking apart right outside the house. I cut the bushes back and found loads more fragments resting on the top soil. From the footage and fragments fall area I've estimated trajectory and approx. incident angle. The trajectory estimate as just off N --> S such that if you extend out it would intersect the middle of Iceland (hence the question could it be volcanic), and incident angle ~27degrees. The other footage was taken from 0.1 miles away, so that would indicate the fireball was at ~80-90m altitude as it passed over and behind their house. Regarding the fanfair of the Winchombe event, I can't really comment why, if it is indeed a meteorite fall, more people didn't see/hear/record it. I also don't consider that, on its own, rules it out either - the universe is a big place full of oddities, and we're still discovering stuff every day!

Something I forgot in the OP (there's so much!) was some oddities in a surface pocket of a fragment found in the garden. They glinted in the light, at first I thought they were gold, but when I extracted them they structurally lost shape. SEM and EDX composition results show they're possibly biological? Maybe interesting that there's no detectable nitrogen here either.

Hello All, I live in Birmingham, UK. For the last year I've been investigating some unusual rocky material that fell from the sky as a fireball on 17th July 2020. We heard it happen and 2 CCTV caught it. The material is highly carbonaceous, low density (typ <1g/cm3), porous, and black on the inside, brown on the outside. I've found the outside turns brown when cooling from red hot temperatures, by the formation of brown crystals. It appears to contain a number of metamorphic assemblies such as Kyanite and Muscovite, possibly Epidote, and the bulk composition is as below. I've had a petrographic analysis done, some images below, but the general findings to date are: - meteorite: The material has some meteoritic characteristics, but can not be a matched to any existing sample in the collections. (Interestingly though it fell at the start of the Perseids and there are no confirmed cometary meteorites to compare it to) - industrial waste / slag: confirmed by several academic experts of such materials that it's not - volcanic: confirmed by several academic experts of such materials that it's not - other: TBC, one suggestion was a piece of burned/altered artificial satellite that fell to earth The further the investigation, I'd really like to to determine its ultimate origin and have been trying for: - Triple oxygen isotope analysis - Cosmic Ray Exposure analysis - Radiocarbon or other suitable material dating analysis With little joy. Does anyone know who might be able to help with any of these? In the UK, or anywhere in the world? I have lots more images and info to share if needed. Cheers! ---------------------------------------------------- Some images and details for context Some of the larger fragments ---------------------------------------------------- Outside turns brown on cooling from red hot temperatures ---------------------------------------------------- Close up of some surface crystals and a really odd feature, not seen to change over time Close up of the first piece picked up the next morning, and some of the unusual features on it White mushroom-like structures - numerous on the surface Maroon Spheres - also numerous on the surface Glassy extrusions and structures ---------------------------------------------------- Possible Kyanaite and Muscrovite ---------------------------------------------------- Bulk Composition ---------------------------------------------------- Some thin slice images, 10x objective + 16x eyepiece Some of the characteristics the petrographic analysis determined as 'meteorite-like' was the presence of chondrules, but these were found to be empty and expected to be filled with olivine, serpentine and other Mg-Fe silicates. They also commented on the angular cooling textures (maybe Widmanstatten pattern?) observed and that cooling textures like these are observed in meteorites. however, they are formed in metal alloys, rather than silicates.

Yes I'm leaning that way. I'll send the 2 Drs mentioned in the article an email, but again it sounds like a very specialized process, rather than something that can be bought 'over-the-counter'. I'm hoping to get a radiocarbon dating, as more the conventional method, but even that is proving difficult, and whilst it might not work for very old stuff, if they can get a date from it at all, that tells me something (that it's almost certainly of terrestrial origin).