StringJunky

Right. Cheers.

OOps. Wrong forum.... Are we going to have a New Content button? This looks like a rather radical change from previous ones.

I don't analyse it, I just enjoy the magic.

Here's a link on how cell membranes might have got started and the google page I got it from with links to other protocell ideas. http://exploringorigins.org/fattyacids.html https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vesicles+first+life&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB753GB753&oq=vesicles+first+life&aqs=chrome..69i57.13200j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Abiogenesis is a wide subject and evolution even wider. Abiogenesis is the steps leading up to the first autonomous living systems and Evolution is what happens after. The former is a largely speculative subject at this point in time but the good models are rooted with sound science.. Keep asking questions but try and focus them down to specific parts.

Single-celled organisms, like bacteria, were the first life forms and these utilised sulphur and other compounds, of which, a later fork was oxygen-producing cyanobacteria that developed into plants. Methane was always present, emitted volcanically and hydrothermally, with other organics, during Earth's earlier formation... they had to be present first in order to have the basic building blocks to make life. The furthest scientists can go back is anoxygenic (non-oxygen producing) bacteria. Before them, only various models are currently available. They probably need to synthesise it in the lab to get an idea what happened in the earliest stages, I guess.

He did a mean "Spring" and Dvorak's "New World". You're soapboxing and lecturing without engaging. It's getting boring.

I used to hate jazz but I went to a jazz gig of a, I think, famous pianist, with a band. I think you need to hear it live because it needs space that most music systems can't give. It was a memorable experience and their skill, combined with a wide range of musicality, was impressive and moving.

And you have virtual particles doing their own thing, popping in and out existence, occasionally interacting at the atomic level as an ensemble.. there's plenty of room for real randomness, it seems

But not everyone wants to trance. Different music music evokes different states; all of which are equally valid.

I had a play in In W10 which might help with whatever you are using. I extended my two monitors, using the Extend option. This allows my cursor to move between screens. I used a Google search as my test. In monitor 1, I have a google listing (which would be your main doc) and then right-clicked on a link on the Google page, selecting Open in a New Window. I then dragged that new window to the other monitor. Could you extend multiple monitors together or even size the windows so you can get several on one screen and enlarge one as required?

I'm talking about the proto-organism stages, or before, when they aren't quite fully autonomous and in sufficient numbers. I imagine their existence was pretty tenuous and probability of continuation was a lot lower than it is now for modern organisms. The nets in my cherry farm analogy represented the necessary isolation for the farmer to get started until he had enough trees that predation didn't matter. Imagine they started with a single cherry stone that they had bred of a new variety and wanted to multiply it into a thriving fruit farm. This would be easy compared to what new life form trying to start now. Add this to what Strange has just posted.

I suppose, doing it the long way gives you an appreciation of how many steps modern stuff actually does in the blink of an eye now.

This is a forum thread not a formal presentation.

But they have relatives in other locations that preserve the lineage. I can't see any way for a completely new organism to evolve discretely from what already exists. A bit like trying to start a cherry farm without using nets over your trees. You need some way of isolating things to get started where other things already exist

At the abiogenesis level you are talking relatively simple biochemical systems which are very likely not fully autonomous, as plentiful or enabled to compete with organisms that have evolved over billions of years to where they now. I know it's hazy but we don't know the mechanism, do we? Also, any potential fledgling, abiogenetic entities will be resources for existing organisms.

That was the pioneering research, there will be many other experiments that will have confirmed/refined those original findings. Here's a post on Quora by a molecular biologist on why we can't make the nine essentials.

William Cumming Rose, through experiments on selectively feeding rats, initially determined what was essential for them by noting their physiological progress with and without various aminos. This was then extended to humans. If a subject suffered in the absence of an amino it was clear that they were not making it themselves whereas others, when they were deprived, did not suffer negative effects. I think that's the basic idea.

From your quote: " "we're all hallucinating all the time; when we agree about our hallucinations, we call it "reality."" I think of human models of reality as intersubjective consensus.

Not my ball park but it's clear you are not taking in what Mordred is giving you. Why waste your life doing things wrong when someone with a lot more experience than you could lift you onto a fruitful path?

Open your mind then.

But... but... Galileo?

That's another story. I meant without human intervention.

And here's me that adores the spaces in music like Floyd's Shine on....Part 1. Silence speaks. Dance music is instantly, viscerally emotional in a physical way but only really lasts as long as you are dancing; it's ephemeral. It is what it is but it it's not a durable art form in terms of pieces being spoken about decades or even centuries later. It's music of the moment, of it's time. I'm getting too old.

Belief means you've closed your eyes. That's why science now has 'theories' and not 'laws' because they know they are not absolute. The 'truth' is a moving target.